MWF
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Mar 24, 2006 19:54:40 GMT
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although i disagree with MWF in that a car has to be expensive to look cool I am NOT saying that and certainly don't think that's the case at all. I just think that just because a budget is limited corners should not be cut. I haven't seen a car that's been painted with a roller so I appreciate I don't know just what kind of finish you can get but if I saw a bunch of guys cutting springs with angle grinders to lower a car and painting it with paint rollers I would not be impressed at all.
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Mar 24, 2006 20:17:32 GMT
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I'm still feeling nagative, but unless it's on the floor, then any done-in-a-day modifications are only going to make it look knackered, or like some sort of ironic comedy spoof car.
We all know that off-the-shelf springs won't be low enough, and spring chopping is not looked upon favourably by the masses - as well as a lot of hassle on the day. I'm still thinking a 2Cv (or Ami/Dyane) offers the best unexpected base/ease of build/safest lowering potential. The lowering could be drastic and quick, and some simple mods like flames, or some offset Shelby stripes could be applied easily. A brush or rollered matt black base would cover any tatty bodywork, and then perhaps some wood-effect fablon on the doors with some pinstriping or flames on the bonnet and/or boot. Maybe we could hunt out an ex 2CV challenge roll cage to fit and strip out the interior for a race look. Wheels and tyres can be left standard, or perhaps some Moon discs would make for a quick change with little effort.
A 2CV makes a lot of sense to me, it's well outside the box and can be changed drastically without masses of effort.
Other options might be a Marina or Minor as the torsion bar front end would make for a non-chopping method of lowering and lowering blocks for the rear could be made up and trial fitted before the day.
Can anyone else think of any easy/safely lowerable (slammable!) that would enable the work on the day to be more visual and less mechanical?
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Mar 24, 2006 20:43:59 GMT
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What about something with leaf springs all round then, it's possible to lower those simply by removing a leaf in some cases. Not a five minute job but you could manage it on site. For motors with semi-eliptic leaves all round you could try a Leyland Sherpa or one of its decendents, even the new ones have semi eliptic springs so get yourself a f*cked Sherpa ambulance or Post Office van out of a scrappy or on ebay and you're laughing, better still a Police Sherpa riot van complete with Rover V8. And it's thinking out of the box, have you ever seen a slammed Sherpa with Bosozuku-style wheelarches and camoflauge paint? If you can't find a Sherpa there are any number of other commercials in the 3.5 tonne GVW sector that have semi eliptic springs and you can get them on the cheap.
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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Mar 24, 2006 21:11:37 GMT
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Something like this would be ideal, cgi.ebay.co.uk/1987-FREIGHT-ROVER-SHERPA-310-MB-WHITE_W0QQitemZ4623732939QQcategoryZ108850QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemhttp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1987-FREIGHT-ROVER-SHERPA-310-MB-WHITE_W0QQitemZ4623732939QQcategoryZ108850QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemBrilliant vans Sherpas, shame they're phasing them out for the new FWD Maxus model, we've got a modern one we're converting into a mobile first aid post at St Andrews at the moment, and another,older and more retro Sherpa, K101, that we're in the process of getting rid of at the moment. I'd donate it to the cause, but it's not mine to donate and I don't think you'd want it either unfortunately. For a start much of our equipment will be coming out the interior so it won't have a complete interior, and it's going to need structural work if its ever to get another MOT, great old van in its day but almost every part of it that we won't be keeping is f*cked unfortunately, everything works but not by much, it's not a reliable or comfortable motor anymore, although I remember it in its heyday and it was gorgeous. I will look into it though if you're interested, I'll see what's to happen with 101, if it gets retired from service soon I'll tell you, the company Commandant was talking about sticking it on ebay, if that happens I'll make sure it goes on at an extreme bargain price and point it out to you lot so you don't miss it. Edit: A similarly likely candidate! Actually I like this one better! cgi.ebay.co.uk/FREIGHT-ROVER-SHERPA-255CC_W0QQitemZ4623387382QQcategoryZ108851QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemA bit of work necessary but it's cheap as f*ck and not at all in bad nick.
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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Mar 24, 2006 21:46:40 GMT
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Honestly, it's my opinion that if this goes ahead you guys will wish you never took it on. Want to prove that cheap, budget styling applied to previously unloved motors works? Build something and bring it to the show. ;D Maybe I'm still in a negative mood after scraping the side of my daily-driver Tourneo with a MkV Escort on the school run!
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Mar 24, 2006 21:55:43 GMT
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Honestly, it's my opinion that if this goes ahead you guys will wish you never took it on. Want to prove that cheap, budget styling applied to previously unloved motors works? Build something and bring it to the show. ;D Maybe I'm still in a negative mood after scraping the side of my daily-driver Tourneo with a MkV Escort on the school run! I'm sure everyone appreciates it's not going to be a pushover of a job, but if we didn't try silly stuff, and occasionally succeed, then we wouldn't have progress, and I reckon with a bit for forward planning and a good choice of motor the lads can pull this off, it'll be like the Italian job, except without Minis, Italy, Michael Caine, Bedford VAL buses, £4Million through a traffic jam, or the plan going tits up at the end (hopefully!) but there'll be plenty of good ideas and old motors, and maybe there'll even be a cool little film we can watch afterwards! ;D As I say, it won't be easy, but I reckon the lads are up to it, and even if it doesn't go right first time, neither did the Cuban revolution first time round, and look how well that went for Castro when he tried again! ;D ;D Sorry to hear about your motor getting bumped by the way, always a pain when that happens. Especially if its a modern car and you can't repair it with a big hammer, some filler and a tin of Hammerite! ;D
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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Been searching round for 2CV/Dolly inspiration and although it was a struggle, heres what i've come up with. A Potatoshop I did to see what a slammed Dolly would look like, and I personally think theres a bit of a Hot-Rod vibe there. Foriegn Police one! Kinda cool!?!
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2CV is deffo my favorit Citroen.
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2CV is deffo my favorit Citroen. I saw that, another Skoda joke! ;D [Monty Python Seargent Major bit]Now stop that, It's silly! Now no-one likes a good laugh more than I do. Except perhaps my wife... [/Monty Python Seargent Major bit] ;D ;D
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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Neil
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2cv is a great idea, like rmad says it's a doddle to lower. Total cost £0! Bstardchild mentions terminally rusted chassis', although some A-series are still running around with their original papier mache under pinnings most are now on galvanised chassis'. All the panels are easily removed for engine access etc, so you won't need a whole bunch of tools to work on it! With regards to the roll cage idea it could be worth asking the boys & girls @ www.2cvracing.org.uk if they've got any goin cheap....
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i'm sort of siding with rmad on this. i'm not so sure its a good idea, it's a lot of work, alot could go wrong and surely you'd want to be going round the show looking at cars?
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MWF
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Mar 25, 2006 10:27:26 GMT
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Personally I think you should do something likea Volvo, I think Volvo's represent Retro Rides well.
Get hold of a 2nd set of springs and pre-cut them for the show, do them well with the top coil flattened.
Obtain some decent wheels from the bay and recon them.
Have some suitably original decals made up.
Then on the day, give it a polish, change the springs, fit the wheels, slap on some decals, maybe even some other touches like de-trimming/badging etc...
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Mar 25, 2006 10:59:56 GMT
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WARNING!! STUPID IDEA ALERT!! Why not buy a tatty, standard version of a car that someone already a well modified example of... park them side by side... instant 'before and after'... Told you it was a stupid idea...
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... the only injury I sustained was a bumped head when I let the seatbelt of without realizing the car was upside down and that's not really the car's fault.
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MWF
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Mar 25, 2006 11:16:23 GMT
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WARNING!! STUPID IDEA ALERT!! Why not buy a tatty, standard version of a car that someone already a well modified example of... park them side by side... instant 'before and after'... Told you it was a stupid idea... I think that's a great idea.
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Mar 25, 2006 11:38:43 GMT
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yeah before-after idea is ot a bad one. I do think theres a lot of work to do and i wouldn't like to take it on but anything is possible, with a good team (of commited legends from here) it could work out well, you only have to watch 'The Apprentice' to see how not to do team work!
Also sory to be negative about 2cv, its a good idea, loads of potential and they are nice n simple. not that cheap to buy anymore though.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Rob
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You know, for kids!
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Mar 25, 2006 11:41:01 GMT
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My coffee and tea making is LEGENDARY !
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Mar 25, 2006 12:42:47 GMT
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Get hold of a 2nd set of springs and pre-cut them for the show, do them well with the top coil flattened. Obtain some decent wheels from the bay and recon them. Have some suitably original decals made up. Then on the day, give it a polish, change the springs, fit the wheels, slap on some decals, maybe even some other touches like de-trimming/badging etc... Strongly agree - anything more than this will be too much work for just one day. Painting etc is not as good idea in the timescale, unless it's limited to just flames / pinstriping / painting the rims. If it was a two day event, then that's another matter.... WARNING!! STUPID IDEA ALERT!! Why not buy a tatty, standard version of a car that someone already a well modified example of... park them side by side... instant 'before and after'... Told you it was a stupid idea... I think that's a great idea. Me too - I'll park my Amazon next to Tom's Sled ;D
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Mar 25, 2006 13:44:09 GMT
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Right... I'm arbitrarily dis-regarding this idea... because I've realised it will go against everything that CARS should be about for us.
You see it should be a gathering of the faithful with a nice social atmosphere (we're definatly going to have to sort out some proper seating place on the stand this year). If we're spending much of the day concentrating on cobbling together a car then I think it will detract from the main purpose of being there. To meet up! and chat! and cheer on our people doing 1/4 miles!
I think the only retro thing that would really represent us would be an engine swap and lowering job, and that ain't going to be driveaway-able in one day. Maybe next year.
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Neil
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Mar 25, 2006 14:09:33 GMT
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Right... I'm arbitrarily dis-regarding this idea... because I've realised it will go against everything that CARS should be about for us. You see it should be a gathering of the faithful with a nice social atmosphere (we're definatly going to have to sort out some proper seating place on the stand this year). If we're spending much of the day concentrating on cobbling together a car then I think it will detract from the main purpose of being there. To meet up! and chat! and cheer on our people doing 1/4 miles! I think the only retro thing that would really represent us would be an engine swap and lowering job, and that ain't going to be driveaway-able in one day. Maybe next year. 'Ere, 'ere!
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Mar 25, 2006 15:21:47 GMT
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I concur. Excellent decision Mr HW. Too many loose ends too!
I'd be game for a 1-hour-powertrain swap next year though ;D
Something interchangable, like a Zetec into a Fezza? ;D
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