glenanderson
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Jul 15, 2019 14:08:12 GMT
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Think this is just deserts for anybody wanting to go over 50 in a leafer ! Mad I say, mad... Carry on. James I second that! We have an 80s Series 3 swb with a Perkins Prima conversion and 50mph is scary! Engine, gearbox, overdrive, axles all screaming away gives me that feeling of impending doom! That's ignoring they steering being all over the shop, view of the road through holes in the floor and the thought of the stopping distance from 50?! You're a braver man than me Provided you attack the whole thing, and make sure gearing, tyre choice, brakes etc. are all as they need to be, there’s no issue going fast in a leaf-sprung Land-Rover. My 200 Tdi won’t crack the magic ton, but it’s rock solid flat out at 96 on the GPS, although noise levels aren’t what you’d call comfortable. It’ll sit all day at a fairly relaxed 75 though, and I’ve done 1200+ miles in a weekend more than once.
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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Jul 15, 2019 14:34:19 GMT
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I had vibration issues once on my car. It started off slow but then 20 miles up the motorway, the entire driveshaft and gearbox was wobbling and it sounded like there was a helicopter landing on my roof. It was so bad i couldn't hold the gearstick. Nothing was loose or obviously bent, but we didn't dare continue our journey on holiday. I persuaded a local garage to let me lift the car on their ramps, and that's when i found some a**hole had tried nicking my alloy! Clearly they had loosened all the nuts then found the last one was a locking nut dressed as a normal, so had given up and left me to find the result. Thankfully the bolt holes in the wheel weren't oval and it hadn't been loose long but like others have said, it doesn't take much to be out of balance to experience bad vibration.
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sowen
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Jul 15, 2019 17:10:19 GMT
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Think this is just deserts for anybody wanting to go over 50 in a leafer ! Mad I say, mad... Carry on. James Once all sorted 50 is just a breeze! It's happy at 70, though it's obvious that the sleek aerodynamics of the Land Rover are just beginning to hinder further progress! I second that! We have an 80s Series 3 swb with a Perkins Prima conversion and 50mph is scary! Engine, gearbox, overdrive, axles all screaming away gives me that feeling of impending doom! That's ignoring they steering being all over the shop, view of the road through holes in the floor and the thought of the stopping distance from 50?! You're a braver man than me Get the brakes and steering sorted, make sure all of the doors are adjusted properly and seals intact, add some sound insulation in specific places and there's no reason why it shouldn't cruise at the national speed limit safely and without too much discomfort. I have the added bonus of a modern refined powerplant which kicks out at least twice the power and a lot less cabin noise which helps immensely. Back in the day Land Rover themselves were doing high speed tests with the swb on the motorways, can't remember if they were cruising at 90 or 100? Provided you attack the whole thing, and make sure gearing, tyre choice, brakes etc. are all as they need to be, there’s no issue going fast in a leaf-sprung Land-Rover. My 200 Tdi won’t crack the magic ton, but it’s rock solid flat out at 96 on the GPS, although noise levels aren’t what you’d call comfortable. It’ll sit all day at a fairly relaxed 75 though, and I’ve done 1200+ miles in a weekend more than once. My top speed is limited by other road users Vintage cars on narrow wheels and cart springs which is on paper what a Land Rover is were doing over the ton decades before anyway!
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glenanderson
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Jul 15, 2019 17:39:33 GMT
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Exactly.
My tdi is about 110 bhp, nearly double the original diesel’s output. It’s enough, but more power sometimes would be nice. 😃
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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Jul 15, 2019 20:26:12 GMT
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88" has gross vehicle weight of 2 tonnes, that means the brakes have to be good enough to stop 2 tonnes, but it only weighs 1.4 tonnes unladen. if the brakes are scary in an unladen 88", then its time for maintenance !
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sowen
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Jul 15, 2019 20:36:00 GMT
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Exactly. My tdi is about 110 bhp, nearly double the original diesel’s output. It’s enough, but more power sometimes would be nice. 😃 Book figure for my OM606 is 175bhp, no idea what it's actually doing since I made a hybrid mechanical pump using parts of the original edc pump and twiddled the governor a bit! 88" has gross vehicle weight of 2 tonnes, that means the brakes have to be good enough to stop 2 tonnes, but it only weighs 1.4 tonnes unladen. if the brakes are scary in an unladen 88", then its time for maintenance ! ^This over and over again. Every Land Rover I've had or driven has had the brakes sorted so they'll lock the wheels and stop straight, either the fronts or the rears depending on spec and weight. Standard 10" drums on an 88" should be pretty sharp, and with a servo have the potential to put your face in the windscreen....
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Jul 15, 2019 21:08:23 GMT
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Agree with the above but ours works for a living, mostly off-road so alignment, steering and body panels all get knocked around. Has the heavy duty axles and hub setup with the bigger drums which when setup work ok. Problem is parts are pretty poor with quality control absent from most of the well known suppliers.
We do have a 300tdi and disco diffs sat in the garage awaiting installation which should improve things!
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1998 Rover 400 Derv
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Before setting off for the Gathering I stuck a section of Dodo foam I'd bought in the roof to deaden some of the drumming in the cab, and was genuinely suprised at how effective it was! Looking to do the same to our swb stationwagon Ive used the dodo foam in my T5 camper conversion and its been great. However my transporter roof isn't quite as leaky or oven like on warmer days My poor dad uses our series 3 for work and gets dripped on in the winter and slow cooked in the summer! So I'm think dodo foam the lot (Cab and into the rear) and then some 4 way stretch carpet we have left over from the camper conversion. In hindsight would you do the same to your cab?
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1998 Rover 400 Derv
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This over and over again. Every Land Rover I've had or driven has had the brakes sorted so they'll lock the wheels and stop straight, either the fronts or the rears depending on spec and weight. Standard 10" drums on an 88" should be pretty sharp, and with a servo have the potential to put your face in the windscreen.... Yup, remote servo on an 88 2A 2 1/4 petrol with a twin horse trailer on the back would pull up quite happily fully loaded. Getting going again? That's another story!
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sowen
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Club RR Member Number: 24
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Looking to do the same to our swb stationwagon Ive used the dodo foam in my T5 camper conversion and its been great. However my transporter roof isn't quite as leaky or oven like on warmer days My poor dad uses our series 3 for work and gets dripped on in the winter and slow cooked in the summer! So I'm think dodo foam the lot (Cab and into the rear) and then some 4 way stretch carpet we have left over from the camper conversion. In hindsight would you do the same to your cab? I plan to eventually line the interior with vinyl/carpet etc, got a few water leaks that still need sorting and the bulkhead is still awaiting it's rebuild too. When I get round to it I'll do the roof and most of the interior of my 88" hard top too. I think I've only had the cabin unbearably hot once, and that was when I was at Billing and it was parked in the sun all day. It was tempting to go back into the showground and buy one of the truck cab tops I'd spotted and make a safari truck cab!
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sowen
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Minor update time. After fitting new drums I've been racking up the miles again, and struggling to fill the fuel tank removing the seat, unscrewing the floor plate and re-assembly is reverse of removal etc. Bought a civvy underseat tanke with external fill as a temporary measure until I get round to making the auxiliary tank behind the cab Then in the run up to RRG I noticed it was getting harder and harder to start. After a little prodding about I've found four of the six glowplugs have failed. So off came the wing and inlet manifold, and I spent 4 days struggling with them seized in the head In the end I only managed to replace one, and left the 3 snapped glowplugs. It starts with a little assistance on the throttle so it's just good enough. With RRG and a planned weekend offroading trip imminently coming I've had them soaking in penetrating oil so the heat should help loosen the carbon ready for the next removal attempt Whilst at a local Land Rover show I picked up a pair of what I think are hi-cap rear light guards. Having the extra military lights on mine they don't fit, so out with the grinder and welder and I made them fit! Light guards done for now until I beef up the mounting points Also got round to beefing up the bullbar feet. It's dead handy for hanging on when clambering about, but was a bit wobbly! Now it's bolted to a solid part of the front bumper Also finally got round to the wiring and plumbing for the rear fuel tank. I now have functioning dual fuel tanks switchable by the flick of a switch! Suddenly I have a decent respectable range between fill-ups that I didn't have before, easily filled from the two external fuel fillers, luxury! Then RRG happened, and the 109 performed faultlessly except for a bit of tyre scrub chucking it about the lanes laden there and back Now the tyre scrub could be a bit of an issue, since I'm running smaller than standard wheels (ride and handling are vastly better), and I was booked into a weekend camping trip offroading and needed my Insa Turbo Special Tracks fitted which are substantially larger. So I smacked the wheel tubs a bit with the sledge hammer, fitted the Special Tracks and set off on Friday evening for the campsite! Only other prep I did was remove the exhaust, and weld a flange on the downpipe after the turbo so I could easily unbolt the lower exhaust that hangs below the chassis and made a short straight pipe side exit.... And now I'm back, and the 109 was amazing in a pay&play site for 2 days! The only damage I got was bending the rear fuel tank up 3/4" from dropping the back end hard and the tyre scrub was a complete non-issue Have I ever said old series lwb Land Rover's with OM606 engine are amazing? Well they are
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sowen
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On my offroading weekend I got lots of videos of the 109 in action, quite a few of it being used as a recovery truck! I reckon I can make a few Youtube compilation videos of many of the clips me and my friends took of it and the others in our group
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MiataMark
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Aug 26, 2019 12:00:21 GMT
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Great to see this at RRG and the weekend looks great. Pity my wife won't let me take _her_ Discovery off-road.
It's hers until work needs to be paid for then it suddenly reverts to being ours!
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1990 Mazda MX-52012 BMW 118i (170bhp) - white appliance 2011 Land Rover Freelander 2 TD4 2003 Land Rover Discovery II TD52007 Alfa Romeo 159 Sportwagon JTDm
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Aug 26, 2019 16:10:01 GMT
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Great pictures and video. With regards to speed: I found the steering the main problem preventing a car on leaf springs going fast being the agricultural steering; But this has been solved on this car already with a modern steering box. Other wise, there is no reason why it can't do a ton. I personally would change the brakes to discs though. I know drums can work on the street, but whenever they got wet or muddy, I found it impossible to ever brake in a straight line again.
Daan
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sowen
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Aug 27, 2019 17:07:11 GMT
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Great to see this at RRG and the weekend looks great. Pity my wife won't let me take _her_ Discovery off-road. It's hers until work needs to be paid for then it suddenly reverts to being ours! Yep good to see you too. Problem with offroading is you start getting the bug, then the confidence rises, then you get stuck, and if you're unlucky you break something and still have to somehow get home! I've removed a lot of clay from the underside, about half a bin bag full so far and the front swivel assemblies are still packed in the stuff. Gained a few extra scuffs in the paint and bent one of the rear tub lower skirts too. Also contemplating buying a Detroit Truetrac lsd for the rear to give the 109 that little extra help from getting stuck crossaxled. It got stuck twice, first time bellied out in deep ruts, and being a series they slide easy so was a quick tug back out, and the second time it got crossaxled and a little bouncing got enough grip to allow it to pull itself along. Great pictures and video. With regards to speed: I found the steering the main problem preventing a car on leaf springs going fast being the agricultural steering; But this has been solved on this car already with a modern steering box. Other wise, there is no reason why it can't do a ton. I personally would change the brakes to discs though. I know drums can work on the street, but whenever they got wet or muddy, I found it impossible to ever brake in a straight line again. Daan They should to the ton in standard form anyway, the factory was doing it back in the day. I still have a diagonal drag link from the steering box down to the axle so any undulations in the road require immediate correction regardless. As regards to brakes, something I had never really thought of until earlier when comparing post offroading issues with my brother who took his series down for the weekend was that he had terrible wheel balance issues where mud had fallen off the brake disc onto the wheel and knocked the wheel balance right out. With drums, there's not enough room for the mud to collect in quite the same way so I had no extra wheel wobble than I had before considering how much additional weight I was carrying! In the future I'd like the Heystee disc brake kit, but not yet.
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sowen
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Aug 27, 2019 17:32:35 GMT
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I uploaded this video of some of the GoPro footage I took from the first day of offroading over the weekend where I had the camera stuck on the roof of the cab and on the side of the canopy frame. Bit of an epic at 29 minutes long, mostly exploring the site and the limitations and capabilities of a 109 in a pay & play site. Some bonus recoveries in the vid too
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Aug 28, 2019 11:34:10 GMT
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That sounds very happy bimbling along to itself.
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Aug 28, 2019 23:15:49 GMT
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2 weekends ago went out in a series land rover with a EDC OM606 and was very surprised at just how much quieter it was than a 200tdi. Night and day difference even though it had no sound deadening whatsoever.
Cruised beautifully too. Winner.
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Aug 28, 2019 23:19:17 GMT
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sowen
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Aug 29, 2019 17:03:48 GMT
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That sounds very happy bimbling along to itself. Yep, it's a nice background burble to accompany gentle progress 2 weekends ago went out in a series land rover with a EDC OM606 and was very surprised at just how much quieter it was than a 200tdi. Night and day difference even though it had no sound deadening whatsoever. Cruised beautifully too. Winner. Yes it's such a difference the OM606 and the tdi, I think mostly down to the difference in harshness of indirect and direct injection diesels? The 606 has a long power band compared to the short window of power the tdi gives too. I've said it to many people before, I'd prefer a stock 2.25 diesel over a 200/300tdi as they're just too noisy and vibrate loads. I'll watch those vids later, engine hasn't blown up yet!
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