samta22
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Good grief Penfold, I wish I'd thought of buying a Celica to store my collection of Mole Grips Everyone needs a mole grip store There is part method in my madness... by using them in the above way it looks like they are all required and so don't go 'missing' only to be later found on an A35 shaped ornament a short distance away... Belated happy returns by the way.
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'37 Austin 7 '56 Austin A35 '58 Austin A35 '65 Triumph Herald 12/50 '69 MGB GT '74 MGB GT V8'73 TA22 Toyota Celica restoration'95 Mercedes SL320 '04 MGTF 135 'Cool Blue' (Mrs' Baby) '05 Land Rover Discovery 3 V8 '67 Abarth 595 (Mrs' runabout) '18 Disco V
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samta22
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Jul 13, 2020 16:50:32 GMT
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Thought I'd try a change of approach on Friday night, so rather than dig the welder out to try and force progress when my head wasn't really in it after a busy week, I'd instead dig out some of the in-storage acquisitions for test fitting/modifying. As it turned out there may be more of the latter required thanks to folk not knowing their model variants and me taking a gamble. So rewind back to page 25 and this little lot appearing Well I decided to have a closer look at the front set up All looked ok at first glance, but then a little thought crept into my head, if the top mounts matched the strut brace brackets bolt pattern then the rest were likely to be for the wrong model as well (TA23 or later potentially). So fetched the strut brace brackets and sure enough that proved to be the case - botox. ok, so the top mounts might be wrong but that's workable, what about the hubs? dug out two of the spare front sets of discs I have to compare the sizes one big, one small... you can probably guess which fitted and which didn't on the right and wrong hubs respectively... So I now have a conundrum, try to locate an alternative solution, or have a bash at slicing and dicing the strut casings to use on the spare set of original struts that I have, they are only welded sleeves after all With that little head scratcher giving me something to ponder over I started tidying up the arch welds ready for the next hit and worked my way round, alternating sides and cooling as best as I could with an air line until all was solid once more (I say once more, it was never like this other than when new seemingly) Bit of tidying and shaping at the next visit and all will be declared good. I then started on welding the underside once more, got a reasonable amount done, then when working along the top edge of the new repair panel, managed to blow yet another hole which went straight into my overalls - cue much swearing and rolling about with limbs flailing - that one went right where it shouldn't and smarted a little! After that I called it a day as I don't think it's going to get much better, will go back to the drawing board on that one again. Depending on how I solve the wheel well issue it might all be coming out again.
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Last Edit: Jul 13, 2020 17:11:03 GMT by samta22
'37 Austin 7 '56 Austin A35 '58 Austin A35 '65 Triumph Herald 12/50 '69 MGB GT '74 MGB GT V8'73 TA22 Toyota Celica restoration'95 Mercedes SL320 '04 MGTF 135 'Cool Blue' (Mrs' Baby) '05 Land Rover Discovery 3 V8 '67 Abarth 595 (Mrs' runabout) '18 Disco V
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v8ian
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Jul 13, 2020 17:57:44 GMT
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Will a simple bearing swap work with the hubs, ?
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Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style. Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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Saab discs for the win...Sure you can find suitable bearings so you don’t have to cut and weld anything😊
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v8ian
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Saab discs for the win...Sure you can find suitable bearings so you don’t have to cut and weld anything😊 Peugeot also seems to have a huge repertoire of discs and always done well for me
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Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style. Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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samta22
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Cheers for the suggestions gents, I'm sure one of those options will work, just need to do some research. The bigger of the two disc/hub arrangements slots straight on and keeps the standard bolt pattern... but I don't know what they are off and don't have associated calipers/backing plates to go with them. Top mounts aren't an issue and can be easily changed (just had notification that a little something is winging its way over from California as I type) so then it's just a case of sorting the carriers and backing plates, worst case I make something up but I'm certain there are plenty of options already out there, just need to figure it all out
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What's the size of the discs? There can't be that many old Toyota's with solid discs and mcpherson struts.
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samta22
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What's the size of the discs? There can't be that many old Toyota's with solid discs and mcpherson struts. Not sure, will have a measure up next time I'm over. I suspect they are RA28 or similar.
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'37 Austin 7 '56 Austin A35 '58 Austin A35 '65 Triumph Herald 12/50 '69 MGB GT '74 MGB GT V8'73 TA22 Toyota Celica restoration'95 Mercedes SL320 '04 MGTF 135 'Cool Blue' (Mrs' Baby) '05 Land Rover Discovery 3 V8 '67 Abarth 595 (Mrs' runabout) '18 Disco V
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Jul 14, 2020 11:15:17 GMT
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There's a massive list of brake disc dimensions here: www.national-auto.co.uk/assets/content/documents/brake_disc_cat_-_nov_2014.pdfMight help source a pair that could fit Also, have you thought of making a rotisserie so you can spin the shell upside down to do tricky welding? I made a folding one out of box section and bits of a winch quite simply. Took a bit of time, but it proved to be a fantastically useful piece of kit for all the underside bits of the Spitfire.
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Last Edit: Jul 14, 2020 11:16:03 GMT by biturbo228
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samta22
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Jul 14, 2020 11:47:37 GMT
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There's a massive list of brake disc dimensions here: www.national-auto.co.uk/assets/content/documents/brake_disc_cat_-_nov_2014.pdfMight help source a pair that could fit Also, have you thought of making a rotisserie so you can spin the shell upside down to do tricky welding? I made a folding one out of box section and bits of a winch quite simply. Took a bit of time, but it proved to be a fantastically useful piece of kit for all the underside bits of the Spitfire. that's useful - thanks. Yes, oddly enough have a rotisserie for both the '69 MG and the A35 (thanks to v8ian for the latter!) both of which are bare shells, for various reasons the celica wasn't going to go on one in case I needed to shift it and subject to adding a few bolts I can easily have it back on it's axles and moveable, even driveable if required. Thankfully that situation seems to have abated for now and so I will probably go the rotisserie route eventually, particularly as the more I discover, the more I'm inclined to have it treated before paint too and having it on a rotisserie will make any subsequent repairs much easier as you say. The frustrating part is that I even have a wheeled rotisserie ready for it but it's currently still at the opposite end of the country for various reasons.
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'37 Austin 7 '56 Austin A35 '58 Austin A35 '65 Triumph Herald 12/50 '69 MGB GT '74 MGB GT V8'73 TA22 Toyota Celica restoration'95 Mercedes SL320 '04 MGTF 135 'Cool Blue' (Mrs' Baby) '05 Land Rover Discovery 3 V8 '67 Abarth 595 (Mrs' runabout) '18 Disco V
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Jul 14, 2020 16:14:58 GMT
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As always, steady does it.
And Progress is Progress
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Jul 15, 2020 13:25:05 GMT
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Haha one of those things where you don't want it on a rotisserie as you might need to move it, but you might have finished it soon if you had (but didn't know at the time)? Yeah it's amazing how useful they are really. Wish I'd made mine sooner.
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samta22
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Jul 16, 2020 10:35:36 GMT
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Haha one of those things where you don't want it on a rotisserie as you might need to move it, but you might have finished it soon if you had (but didn't know at the time)? Yeah it's amazing how useful they are really. Wish I'd made mine sooner. Spot on - the joys of having a space that isn't your own, can be both a blessing and a curse
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'37 Austin 7 '56 Austin A35 '58 Austin A35 '65 Triumph Herald 12/50 '69 MGB GT '74 MGB GT V8'73 TA22 Toyota Celica restoration'95 Mercedes SL320 '04 MGTF 135 'Cool Blue' (Mrs' Baby) '05 Land Rover Discovery 3 V8 '67 Abarth 595 (Mrs' runabout) '18 Disco V
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samta22
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Jul 16, 2020 10:51:51 GMT
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In other news, and much to SWMBOs delight , a few goodies arrived for the Celica this morning from the good ol US of A just need to see if all will marry up as hoped, although given recent findings I will still need to order some more bits for the disc/hub arrangement, thanks to a few very useful suggestions and dom10a's previous efforts on his RX3 that should be fairly straightforward
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'37 Austin 7 '56 Austin A35 '58 Austin A35 '65 Triumph Herald 12/50 '69 MGB GT '74 MGB GT V8'73 TA22 Toyota Celica restoration'95 Mercedes SL320 '04 MGTF 135 'Cool Blue' (Mrs' Baby) '05 Land Rover Discovery 3 V8 '67 Abarth 595 (Mrs' runabout) '18 Disco V
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samta22
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Jul 22, 2020 12:44:38 GMT
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Been a bit of a distracting few days with a fair bit of work related stress (boss leaving, team restructuring, redundancies happening etc.), and well life in general for various reasons. Think all should work out ok but next few weeks/months might be interesting. One of said other reasons was also the need to make a start on clearing my gran's house over the weekend as with everything going on she's had to go into a home. It did however provide some entertainment in the discovery of a few priceless pics - seems I was always destined to play with toys much bigger than I could handle It also resulted in the discovery of some serious entertainment relics Any suggestions of what can be done with these much appreciated - think I might have a go at resto-modding them in some way and might start a thread, not sure when I'll get round to them just yet as homework has been banned in the house for the time being! Suffice to say as a result my head has not really been in the right frame of mind for car antics, especially not effort number three on a certain boot panel. Things seemed to have settled this week however (fingers crossed) so I decided to treat myself to some tinkering time after work one eve. I didn't fancy yet more grinding and welding, and there isn't much point for reasons I'll explain in a bit, instead I thought I'd continue with the front suspension set up and see how things might go together with a few of the recently acquired parts from Techno Toy Tuning for a bit of a mojo boost - saving money on commuting does have some nice side effects. Good news first, the camber plates fit! and so will the roll centre adjusters with whatever set up I finally decide on. I then decided to take a look at the TA23/27/28 coilovers to see what I could combine and what would need attention, unfortunately it seems attention is the operative word, and a bit of it. Once the top nut was removed and the mounting plates removed, the full extent of the top hat modifications in a previous life could be seen Those out the way, the rest did all go together so a solution is workable, but I'll need the various parts for the bottom still. The alternative, and a train of thought I'm leaning towards, is to forget using these as a starting point and order a set of weld on coilover sleeves and put them on to my spare set of strut casings, I can then use everything I've already got hubs wise and it doesn't become a mish mash of bits, however I would like to upgrade the brakes if I can. More research needed on that front. Regardless of that, if I ever wanted to return the car to stock I wanted to have a spare standard suspension set up, so that's what I turned my attention to next. Firstly removing the springs from strut set number 2 using the arkwright's till equivalent of spring compressors before building up the freshly painted number 1 set. More on suspension developments soon. In other news, the reason for not wanting to do too much welding and starting over with the rear repairs is because I've not yet got my mitts on this rather wondrous sight (Look it's even holding water so must be reasonably solid ) Hoping this will solve a multitude of issues for me concerning the back end, so for the time being the grinder and cutting discs are staying in the case until I can have a proper look at things. The other minor issue is that it's also at the other end of the country, however it's in the same area that I need to visit for a number of other things I need to sort... fate? possibly. Roadtrip? Definitely! Which neatly ties in to the fact that I've also been getting rather a lot of grief from work about taking leave which I've been holding off from doing for most of the year for various reasons (intended house move, car logistics, other projects etc.), but seeing as I'm now pushing my luck and need to take it by September I've booked a decent chunk of August off - will see if we can clear the slate and progress a few things during that time. Fingers crossed!
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'37 Austin 7 '56 Austin A35 '58 Austin A35 '65 Triumph Herald 12/50 '69 MGB GT '74 MGB GT V8'73 TA22 Toyota Celica restoration'95 Mercedes SL320 '04 MGTF 135 'Cool Blue' (Mrs' Baby) '05 Land Rover Discovery 3 V8 '67 Abarth 595 (Mrs' runabout) '18 Disco V
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Jul 22, 2020 17:57:52 GMT
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Just a question. Have you ever had hair? First photo seems to confirm my suspicions 🤣🤣🤣
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Jul 22, 2020 19:06:40 GMT
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I've never had much faith in the techno toy tuning camber top mounts/coilover combo. The top mounts on their own are fine but they don't seem to mate well with the spring top hat(even the one they supply themselves) and I've seen interference/wear like you've pictured above before. I always tend to make my own coilovers now for ae86s/charmants/rwd starlets etc. I wouldn't go to the trouble of making them if you're not going to shorten the strut tube and run a shorter insert. Gaz offer very competitive prices to build coilovers if you supply your struts.
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Jul 22, 2020 20:30:38 GMT
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It did however provide some entertainment in the discovery of a few priceless pics - seems I was always destined to play with toys much bigger than I could handle That Ford 4000 tractor- there are loads of them used just down the road from us for launching the boats out to sea for the aquataxi service, plus an old neighbour just 1 km up the road from us popped in the other day to ask if I can do some rust repairs to a guard from one of them he has been given to restore.
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samta22
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Just a question. Have you ever had hair? First photo seems to confirm my suspicions 🤣🤣🤣 I could post another photo that would answer your question but as it's somewhat incriminating and really not in a good way, I'll let you draw your own conclusions!
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samta22
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I've never had much faith in the techno toy tuning camber top mounts/coilover combo. The top mounts on their own are fine but they don't seem to mate well with the spring top hat(even the one they supply themselves) and I've seen interference/wear like you've pictured above before. I always tend to make my own coilovers now for ae86s/charmants/rwd starlets etc. I wouldn't go to the trouble of making them if you're not going to shorten the strut tube and run a shorter insert. Gaz offer very competitive prices to build coilovers if you supply your struts. Thanks Kev, worth knowing and something to keep an eye on. I did get their camber plates with roller bearings at the same time thinking that might cover me, only time will tell I guess. Either way I don't really want to use what's on the coilovers currently so will need to start again to some degree. My alternative plan was to go for the shortened strut tube and shorter insert and the T3 sleeves, but your suggestion of Gaz is a good one, might give them a call today and see what they say as they're not a million miles away from me, definitely much closer than California.
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'37 Austin 7 '56 Austin A35 '58 Austin A35 '65 Triumph Herald 12/50 '69 MGB GT '74 MGB GT V8'73 TA22 Toyota Celica restoration'95 Mercedes SL320 '04 MGTF 135 'Cool Blue' (Mrs' Baby) '05 Land Rover Discovery 3 V8 '67 Abarth 595 (Mrs' runabout) '18 Disco V
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