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Let's clarufy a few thing: 1)Nas80 certainly isn't a troll; he's regular on this site and E21.com; he's bult an M50-powered E21 good enough to be featured in a magazine and make people change to M50 power as he's currently convertiing MIBs orange car. 2) As far as the airbag thing goes Nas (and apologies if you thought my remark was aimed at you), I contemplated putting bags in my daily driver E21, (the Kastanien Rot one at the shoot) but the cost involved in doing it to my satisfaction and making it handle weren't worth the effort. As an aside, I like cars great & small, fast & slow. For me it isn't always about the speed, but then MIBs old 2.7 is going in my green car so sometimes it is... 2) Stealthstylz - the conversation was going quite well until you started getting negative. Unclench and relax. 3) Moderators - can you not see the irony that this thread has produced some lively debate between intelligent adults with differing opinions (OK, it has got a little ragged in the last half page)? You can stage manage this place all you want, but as I've banged on about since I first joined here, people have differing opinions, accept it. Providing they keep it civil I don't see the problem. Nail. head. Pictures, remember those? Let's have a few of mine: Before the accident  :  This pic is a mockup, but when it's done for real, with Merc 500E-style arches on 16' Hartge classic it won't be far off:  God, you can tell I used to be a Union mediator. |
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There's a significant difference between a group of people all accepting each other differing opinions and a group of people all having to be berated by one or two peoples opinions.
This hasn't been a hard concept to grasp, some people like a very low car.
What's becoming obvious is you can't post an E21 on here without a few getting very jealous of the attention.
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Jowey
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oh my days why is this thread 5 pages.
all these style are great, umbrella love.
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id roll surp skodas e21 ;D (cant get any lower on the front ;D
bags - looks
coils - everything else
hw's title had it 'looking''
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nas80
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Jun 14, 2011 10:57:06 GMT
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I've got a mate with a mk1 jetta show car. its so low he snaps cv joints every two minutes and cannot go over 60 even on the motorway as it hits the floor. it takes forever to get anywhere and he has to take planks of wood with him in case he gets to a speed bump.
it looks awesome but why would you subject yourself to that.
That's why if you read through my posts i already said airbus are handy.
I like the car on the op,s first post. it looks awesome. but if it had big power id like it more.
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Jun 14, 2011 12:35:55 GMT
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it looks awesome but why would you subject yourself to that. It's a lifestyle choice. I have an intimate knowledge of all the speed humps and pot holes within a 2 mile radius of my home due to a desire to have a low car. Sadly I am now just too old and have opted for spending my hard earned doing track days etc and making a slow car faster. I could have just bought an e36 M3 which would have been way faster from the outset however, it's not all about the destination but the route I take to get there. You don't have to be fast to be fun either. I'm sat here in sunny Cornwall and we are driving my Mrs 2002. It's a lovely car and so much cooler than 99% of what's on the roads down here. I saw a mint TR6 this morning tho. I would encourage all e21 owners to come along to the BMW show @ Santa Pod on August 10th. The more the merrier and the more diversity on mods, the better too! You'll all be made welcome! |
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Jun 14, 2011 13:27:37 GMT
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This thread is getting a bit depressing. Over the years I've noticed an anti BMW movement on this forum and whenever I've personally posted up cool looking BMWs in the general board and on my own build threads they generally get little interest, so much so I hardly bother these days. I've not just noticed this on my own threads but with most others too. I'm not sure why this is but this thread is definitely not going to help the situation, especially with E21s! E21 owners are very keen about promoting their particular models as they are often the "forgotten" 3 series, this isn't the way to do it. Personally if a person is getting enjoyment out of their car and it isn't harming anyone else, it's no one else's business to say otherwise. I'm stating, as a serial collector of E21s, that I LOVE decked cars. I built my E28 as low as it could go on chopped springs  And absolutely grounded my E32 7 series on custom made coilovers, I haven't seen a lower E32 that's not on hydros/air.  |
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Jun 14, 2011 14:23:07 GMT
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This thread is getting a bit depressing. Over the years I've noticed an anti BMW movement on this forum and whenever I've personally posted up cool looking BMWs in the general board and on my own build threads they generally get little interest, so much so I hardly bother these days. Sorry to hear you feel that way, Rob. I can count on maybe one hand folks who have put up anti-BMW comments. One person in particular seems to just generally dislike them, and the others I can think of commented specifically on threads about Rusty. It might therefore be their perception of 'car-whorage' rather than against the marque per-se. I'd certainly encourage you not to stop posting up any of Bavarian's finest, no matter what model or style they be. |
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Jun 14, 2011 16:34:56 GMT
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I've personally posted up cool looking BMWs in the general board and on my own build threads they generally get little interest, so much so I hardly bother these days. There's been (I think) 5 E21 or E21-related threads on the general board on RR this year; other than this one (which let's face it, is popular for the wrong reasons) most have dropped quite quickly out of sight. You can lead a horse to water... Personally if people on here want to bash BMWs and E21s, it's your choice. They're not for the unsubtle, but seeing as the scales are heavy on the VAG/JDM/Ford end, anything that adds variety is a good thing. People are very quick to drop their trousers 'round their ankles when that rusty old E28 makes yet another Lazarus-style comeback however, so if we sling a bucket of Nitromors over our cars suddenly we'll be deitys round these here parts.  Oh Norm - have a Capri race car, dunno if it's any good they all look the same to me.   |
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stealthstylz
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Jun 14, 2011 22:00:38 GMT
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I think Norm is the only anti BMW member on here, can't even remember the reason why lol.
I was merely pointing out that some E21 owners are anti E21 if it's not modded to their "acceptable" style.
Amazo start more E21 threads, there must be cool ones out there that we haven't seen. Oh and you'd have had a pants accident earlier I was talking to a young Asian lad driving round in a minty minty E21, his dad was the first owner, 23,000 on the clock and full BMW service history.
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nas80
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Jun 14, 2011 23:15:33 GMT
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What is the acceptable style? I'm struggling to see how you would come to that conclusion.
We have such a diverse mix in the e21 club from complete nails all the way to minted originals and extremely modified and even tarmac scrapers. there was only 450 or so e21 in the UK left.
For that reason there's no acceptable style because if you want to do stuff to an e21 there's little after market supply. This means we end up with similar modifications and generally stick with what works.
What's this about people not liking Bmw lol.
There are always going to be playa haters - you talk it but i live it.
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I think Norm is the only anti BMW member on here, can't even remember the reason why lol. Hey! I LOVE BMWs! It's the owners I can't stand. LOLOLOLOLOL!!! j/k Now, really, what I think the Propeller Hat Munchkins from Munich should do is start turning the design of the new cars over to the street scene-sters. Imagine a whole production line of spilled copper paint 3-series cars, for 'zample!!! |
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For that reason there's no acceptable style because if you want to do stuff to an e21 there's little after market supply. This means we end up with similar modifications and generally stick with what works. Whut? Of the dozen or so E21s in Northern Ireland that I know, none of them look the same or run the same mods. I don't wanna be in any 'club' that gets stuck just because there's no aftermarket supply. FWIW that's a load of rubbish anyway. The E30s are massively supported, and there is little difference between a pre-facelift E30 and an E21. They're 4x100, you can still get lowering pieces, and there are any number of breakers providing up bits - there's even a company that will sell you replacement panels. There isn't many 70s cars with that much back-up. |
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nas80
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Ok. I wasn't talking about looks.
i was being specific about performance modifications. there is tons and tons of stuff for an 02 or an e30. Go and see how many brake upgrades and different make of coilovers or even how many different suppliers list stuff here for an e21.
What do you mean there's little difference between this and an early e30 they are well different underneath. The suspension was completely redesigned when the e30 came out.
i am never stuck. if can't get anything i need. i just go get it fabricated or adapt something off another car.
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Jun 15, 2011 19:48:04 GMT
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One of the main reasons I like E21's is that they suit my pockets. My track car would have cost 4 times as much had it been a RWD Escort.
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Jun 15, 2011 23:42:46 GMT
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What do you mean there's little difference between this and an early e30 they are well different underneath. The suspension was completely redesigned when the e30 came out. E21s if anything, are similar to '02s which is why their owner pillage E21s for oily bits (M10 engine, struts, diffs). The E30 front clip design is effectively used on the E36 and E46. One of the main reasons I like E21's is that they suit my pockets. My track car would have cost 4 times as much had it been a RWD Escort. Like I said in the PPC article and to anyone who will listen, The E21 is a bigger, posher MKI/MKII Escort with proper rear suspension rather than one off a market stall. I think Norm is the only anti BMW member on here, can't even remember the reason why lol. Neither can he. Hey! I LOVE BMWs! It's the owners I can't stand. LOLOLOLOLOL!!! j/k Thanks a bunch; love you too hunnybunny.  Oh by the way Zoltan, how's the Car Politics forum going? #tumbleweed rolls past# |
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Oh by the way Zoltan, how's the Car Politics forum going? #tumbleweed rolls past# You can lead a horse to water.....  Seems the politics has stayed here, LOL. I tried and did my part to move it on over, sugar. |
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Ok. I wasn't talking about looks. Of course you were. You said 'style'. And neither was I either. What I said applies to both style and performance. I was being specific about performance modifications. there is tons and tons of stuff for an 02 or an e30. Go and see how many brake upgrades and different make of coilovers or even how many different suppliers list stuff here for an e21. What do you mean there's little difference between this and an early e30 they are well different underneath. The suspension was completely redesigned when the e30 came out. I am never stuck. if can't get anything I need. I just go get it fabricated or adapt something off another car. Between the 02 and the E30 there isn't much E21 specific. I'm sure Rob must have given up when he saw how few options there were for E32 coilovers - oh wait, he didn't. Or Gaz will make you anything you want. It sounds a bit like you're doing a U turn now on what you said earlier. I quoted it last time out. Basically that E21 owners stick with what works - now you're saying you fab parts if you cant get what you want? Doesn't correlate. The way this thread has gone sux. I like E21s in all their guises, but not the curse word around them. And that's why I avoid so many other scenes. Eugh. |
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nas80
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Jun 16, 2011 11:44:21 GMT
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i retract this post - i clearly have my back up and was being cheeky.
I'm not here intentionally to offend anyone. My apologies if i have.
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