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Oct 15, 2010 18:52:28 GMT
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engine swap, to the best of my knowledge is just a case of notifying the DVLA of the change of capacity and engine number. They seem to be asking for cars to be taken to an MOT station to "validate" the fact you have done it but I haven't done one since they apparently started doing this. Bit of an old thread to be bumping, but I wondered if anyone has some experience of this since it was written. Has anyone increased their engine size and had their local garage confirm the change to the DVLA? Were the DVLA ok about it? Was it a world of Swansea-flavoured pain and misery? Quite a few been done and very rarely is there an issue if you do your homework and supply the correct paperwork at the same time as notifying them of the changes. The more you to and fro with paperwork the more likley to get sucked in. Links to required paperwork over on the ACE site.
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Oct 15, 2010 19:19:07 GMT
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I looked at the ACE page with the link to the dvla that contains the following: DVLA will need written evidence of any changes to engine number and cylinder capacity (cc). Written evidence can be:
* a receipt for the replacement engine * written evidence from the manufacturer * an inspection report provided for insurance purposes * written confirmation on headed paper from a garage if the change in engine size took place before you bought the vehicle
Which was why it got my interest that someone said an MOT station might be able to validate the swap. Have I missed a page? Thanks
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Last Edit: Oct 15, 2010 19:20:24 GMT by elcappo
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Oct 15, 2010 19:51:01 GMT
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Nope, not missed a page, MOT stations are only garages after all and if you are there already seems a logical thing to do and may carry more weight?
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marksparks999
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interesting stuff, as I work closely with DVLA and VOSA, although I can only give recommendations to them, as to what I have found when carrying out an inspection... they make the decision ultimately as to the outcome of any inspection whether by us or them... or an independent!
With regards to Q Plates/Age related plates... the rules are quite clear... it is the individuals interpretation that causes problems, don't get me wrong we can all make mistakes, but when we do so I like to think we hold our hands up and say so... everyday is a school day and you never stop learning!
Its a big issue there are many vehicles on the road with Pre 73 tax exempt VRM, which shouldn't be there, mini's with honda vtec conversions, and replacement shells (which is a kit car) as virtually nothing remains of the original, and Landrovers with complete rebuilds such as shortened range rover chassis, discs all round, uprated suspension, TDv6 engines mated to gearboxes and transfer boxes... whilst all of those I have inspected have been completed to extremely high standards, probably better than new from the factory, they again are kits as nothing remains usually of the original.
Another option when there is no stamped VIN, is to have the vehicle POLEXAM(ed), this is something that only specifically trained Police Officers/Police Staff can complete... if the vehicle can be identified and believe me there are many ways (i deal with cloned/stovecs all the time where the id has been removed) it can be re-stamped/plated and remain on the original VRM.
ACE offers some very good advice...
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Retroless at the moment... but on the hunt for something old!
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`state
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see "THEY" really are watching!!!
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Look at all the plastic people who live without a care.Try to sit with me around my table,but never bring a chair.
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Oct 16, 2010 14:51:41 GMT
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Thanks Mark We have struggled to make people aware of the importance of these regs to ensure troublefree motoring. Because it hasn't happened to them YET , they believe it isn't happening at all but still we (ACE) deal with 3-4 cars a month that have problems and that is just those that find us for help. DVLA do struggle with their own regulations and don't realise that other systems have applied in the past and a car that would be illegal under current regs was, and still is, legal dependent on when it was built. The main thing is that any NEW build ( or classed as new by DVL per some of your examples above ) should have undergone either SVA or BIVA to be correctly registered. I also have a long working relationship with DVLA, very close for 10 years. Hence why I deal with the specifics of VOSA /DVLA issues where the rest of the team bring their specialitities to bear on other areas.
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Oct 16, 2010 20:43:57 GMT
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saw in Custom Car that three very radically altered cars in street eliminator had been stopped by VOSA / Police and inspected and all passed off with a clean bill of health... Interesting...
also I am wondering what happens if you have a rod built in the old pre-SVA days, say a Pop with the Rover V8, BW35, Jag IRS, Viva IFS and you swap the Rover for say a SBF with C4. For the purposes of VIC / DVLA interest I presume the swapped in axles, steering, etc count as "original" so you would just lose the points for engine and transmission?
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Oct 16, 2010 21:27:40 GMT
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saw in Custom Car that three very radically altered cars in street eliminator had been stopped by VOSA / Police and inspected and all passed off with a clean bill of health... Interesting... also I am wondering what happens if you have a rod built in the old pre-SVA days, say a Pop with the Rover V8, BW35, Jag IRS, Viva IFS and you swap the Rover for say a SBF with C4. For the purposes of VIC / DVLA interest I presume the swapped in axles, steering, etc count as "original" so you would just lose the points for engine and transmission? The vehicles in question , along with several heavily modified splitscreen campers, stopped some 200 miles away, were part of eth usual weekend operation looking for tax insurance, bald tyres ,blatantly dangerous parts ,red diesel , drivers with no licenses illegal taxi cabs, poor emmissions etc etc.etc etc Vehicles that are to be looked at re identity will be checked by correctly trained personel. There are no sections on the V5C to notify of changes to suspension though you are /were supposed to inform the Local Office when you did these changes. These detals would have been entered on a BUI ( Built Up Inspection ) report sheet, the vehicle assessed and issued with an appropriate registration ( dependent on the pre '98 year when this happened) . As most DIDN'T notify there is no official record of those parts being fitted ...so..on paper, they weren't and will never become part of the original car . Effectively though the date of first engine change in a vehicle where original components would obviously not have been up to substained use since woull give the game away to a mechanic / engineer but unfortunately that isn't DVLA. There are ways that proof can be obtained IF/WHEN neccesary as we (ACE) have with good results in the past. In the immortal words of DVLA " Each vehicle is considered on its own merits "
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Last Edit: Oct 16, 2010 21:29:06 GMT by kapri
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speedy88
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Oct 16, 2010 22:54:02 GMT
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Wow are all cars made after 2012 going to be banned from mods? Not that I care really, but still that's quite a movement.
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NO THEY ARE NOT ! What is happening is that certian new 'safety' systems will be introduced that will effectively PREVENT certain modifications, that's a far cry from a ban on modifying. That's one of the reasons that ACE was set up so people could get to the truth of all these internet rummours. If you hear a rumour please check out www.the-ace.org.uk before taking it as gospel and spreading it around. If there is nothing on ACE about it please contact us and we will find out the TRUTH .
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MOT stations are only garages after all and if you are there already seems a logical thing to do and may carry more weight? The theme of this thread seems to be bureaucracy defying logic. Their site says a garage can only verify the swap if it was done before the current owner got it. All of these ways of telling the DVLA about a swap are phrased so that the modifier isn't the person providing verification: * a receipt for the replacement engine * written evidence from the manufacturer * an inspection report provided for insurance purposes * written confirmation on headed paper from a garage if the change in engine size took place before you bought the vehicle Which was why I hoped to get some first hand information on basically the cheapest, easiest way of getting a swap verified. I doubt a receipt for the engine from a scrap yard will do the trick. An inspection report for insurance purposes sounds pretty expensive, how do you get one done?
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`state
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Oct 17, 2010 18:17:15 GMT
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Just go to any mot center and ask them to write a letter saying they`ve wittnessed that the engine has blah blah number and is blah blah cc. Ive had to have it done twice now when ive changed my engines and have had no problems.
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Look at all the plastic people who live without a care.Try to sit with me around my table,but never bring a chair.
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