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Feb 10, 2021 11:24:23 GMT
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I recognise that cowl lol. If you wait long enough I'm sure he'll have all the other parts you need, he's a one man recycling centre! Flattie looks good. I've only had one and loved it. Great colour.
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Feb 10, 2021 13:33:23 GMT
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Loving this!
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Dez
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Feb 10, 2021 16:25:33 GMT
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Then sit in it with a brew making brum-brum noises for a bit. Do you have a driver to make brum brum noises for you, seeing as you’re in the back?
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Dez
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Feb 10, 2021 16:29:12 GMT
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And so the global RR hunt for a matching seat begins! Got me thinking, there must have been hundreds of Liberators over here at some point. Yes, there was! I'll try Craigslist as well (done), that's pretty active here. Can't hurt. It’s mostly down to where they crashed them rather than where they were stationed 😆 Tbh you’re Proably more likely to find one over there than over here. Attrition rates were quite high in the pacific theatre.
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Dez
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Feb 10, 2021 16:37:42 GMT
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I recognise that cowl lol. If you wait long enough I'm sure he'll have all the other parts you need, he's a one man recycling centre! Flattie looks good. I've only had one and loved it. Great colour. That cowl is now in the very north of Scotland (I think he said an hour above Inverness). Sold it to a crazy old boy who drive down overnight to Essex with a horse box on his discovery to put in! His alternator sh1t itself somewhere in North Yorkshire at 5am so he had a kip in the back then rung a taxi to take him to a local motor factors when they opened at 8😂 Fitted it at the side of the road then carried on! You meet the best people hotrodding. Saw that 32 heavy beam he was touting round the other week and was tempted. A bit rich price wise for me though. The green is a ‘proper’ colour for them. Beats painting it red like everyone else.
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Dez
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Feb 10, 2021 17:05:19 GMT
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So I put a wanted up for some doors. I get a message ‘I’ve not got any doors on their own but I have got a complete cab with doors’. I know the seller, ish. I know his brother better but I know he’s local. Like less than 30 miles away 🙄 So I go down ‘for a look’ and predictably I now have 2x pickup cabs. I can’t bloody believe it. This one is better than the one I already have. Minor rust to bottom edges, a few dents in drivers door (which is a replacement, presumably better than the original) and a few badly welded up holes in the firewall. Other than that’s it’s all pretty much perfect and comes with plenty of the fixtures and fittings- Screen frame, has a dash rail but it’s a model A one. But I’ve got the dash out the other one. Plus the rear screen frame and a few other odds and sods. It even Has the original floor and seat riser in it. So I pay the man and it gets dropped off a week later when a mutual friend is doing some further logistics for him with his truck. Here it is- I realise when it arrived I managed to not take any pics of the two most important bits- the doors! Here are some the seller sent me before purchase and before the blue paint- I was stretching myself to the lot to buy this on top of the other cab, so I quickly sorted out what bits I was and wasn’t keeping, assembled the rest together and sold it immediately. It pretty much covered the purchase cost of the new, better cab. I took the seat riser and floor panel out and included them with the other cab as I knew I didn’t need them. So that’s how I ended up with one of the best condition 34 pickup cabs I’ve ever seen. Tbh from the build pics I’ve seen it’s better than the one mr. Shine started with....
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Feb 10, 2021 18:59:28 GMT
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Just out of interest , how do you know its definitely out of a B24 and not something else , did i miss something ?
As a side note Coastal Command has B24 liberators and the RAF had some Mustangs as well , the earlier ones without bubble canopies .
Its a amazing what turns up , i almost bought the bomb arming autopilot switch panel from a B17 once one ebay , it was one of those auctions you end up forgetting about then kicking yourself that it went for £20 .
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Dez
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Feb 10, 2021 19:56:15 GMT
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Just out of interest , how do you know its definitely out of a B24 and not something else , did i miss something ? As a side note Coastal Command has B24 liberators and the RAF had some Mustangs as well , the earlier ones without bubble canopies . Its a amazing what turns up , i almost bought the bomb arming autopilot switch panel from a B17 once one ebay , it was one of those auctions you end up forgetting about then kicking yourself that it went for £20 . There’s various documentary sources online showing identical seats recovered from well documented wrecks. This one is one of the best pics- pacificwrecks.com/aircraft/b-24/41-23908/2007/seat-spencer.htmlThere’s lots of collectors and enthusiasts of this type of stuff so it’s pretty easy to research.
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Mr Shine was gracious enough to let me and my pals take some photos of your dream truck back in 2010 when visiting So Cal Speed shop. He is a real nice chap in reality and not nearly as grumpy as he sometimes seems ont tele!! Look forward to you building this. Good Luck!!
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In for this one Dez! I always love a well detailed build thread. I love hot rods and the work that goes into them but my knowledge is zero. I am happy for the explanations in your threads. Will also keep an eye out for a seat, I sometimes visit crazy military car boot sales in Belgium with a friend and there is always that kind of tackle knocking about!
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Dez
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Feb 11, 2021 21:05:53 GMT
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In for this one Dez! I always love a well detailed build thread. I love hot rods and the work that goes into them but my knowledge is zero. I am happy for the explanations in your threads. Will also keep an eye out for a seat, I sometimes visit crazy military car boot sales in Belgium with a friend and there is always that kind of tackle knocking about! I think if I even convince one person to have a crack it’s worthwhile doing the write up. I’d love to get to something like that. I’d Probly come home very skint though!
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Dez
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Feb 11, 2021 21:37:13 GMT
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So I’ve now got 3 major ingredients. Motor, chassis(ish) and body. The next step is to make the chassis more a whole, rather than a pile of bits of chassis. The starting point for that is some paper. I printed out blueprints for ‘32, ‘33-‘34 and ‘35-40 chassis, which are all easily available online, although they’ve been copied and reproduced so many times finding a set with clear, readable dimensions can be a bit hard. With the parts I’ve got I kinda need to use odd dimensions from each, but overall they add up to being something that’s pretty close to any of them. The internet likes to make out that the ‘35-‘40 chassis are ‘totally different’ to the earlier ones, but they’re really not. The back half is nigh on identical. The ‘32 does have differences at the front, but the 33-34 is somewhere in between the two, and that’s ultimately what I’m aiming for. So I decided to start at the back and assemble the back half of the chassis first, as the only solid reference I had was the rear crossmember section, plus the rails are straight and parallel at the rear so easy to jig together before you get to any tapering bits. First I welded up a lot of extraneous holes, grinder gouges etc, as it was easier to tidy the rails up whilst they were in smaller sections. Every cross is a hole that shouldn’t be there and every circle is a bit of damage that needed attention!! I started out piecing it together on a bench with a return at the back, as it gave me a convenient vertical and horizontal surface at right angles. The cut and join lines were based around rear crossmember rivet holes as references. The joins were deliberately placed in areas where I could use maximum amount of weld. As I had a horizontal and a vertical to work to, the only thing I was really having to keep in check was the heights from surface of the various reference points, namely the bottom of the rear kickup(which was my zero point), the spring mounting surface on the crossmember, and the rear bumper mounts/rear body crossmember, all of which were well referenced on the blueprints. Once I’d got one side set I turned it around the other way and did the other side. Once that was done basically everything from the back of the cab rearwards was in place. It was all square and level so I now had something I could fix down to my (at that point makeshift) chassis table made out of 2x RSJs, and add to for the rest of the chassis.
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Feb 12, 2021 13:54:37 GMT
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Nice work Dez.
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Feb 12, 2021 17:13:40 GMT
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I know what the chains are for, but I always thought it look stupid.
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Dez
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Feb 12, 2021 23:21:58 GMT
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I know what the chains are for, but I always thought it look stupid. I’ve never got on with em tbh. The rattling does my head in. All mine get some sort of hidden latches.
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Chris™
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Fascinated by this, thanks for writing this up, I find it really interesting to see how you're piecing together all the bits and pieces to make a full vehicle. As with all of your threads, enjoy your words about the thought process and how you do things, as well as reading about the build itself. I'm hoping to build my own hot rod in the next few years and very much in the researching stage at the moment. There is one thing I'm really getting stuck on though: where on earth are you finding parts for sale? I'm trying eBay, Facebook and various UK hot rod forums but turning up very little! Any pointers you would be able to share? It seems you're either a flukey curse word or have some good hunting skills, possibly both
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Dez
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Feb 13, 2021 11:08:13 GMT
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Fascinated by this, thanks for writing this up, I find it really interesting to see how you're piecing together all the bits and pieces to make a full vehicle. As with all of your threads, enjoy your words about the thought process and how you do things, as well as reading about the build itself. I'm hoping to build my own hot rod in the next few years and very much in the researching stage at the moment. There is one thing I'm really getting stuck on though: where on earth are you finding parts for sale? I'm trying eBay, Facebook and various UK hot rod forums but turning up very little! Any pointers you would be able to share? It seems you're either a flukey curse word or have some good hunting skills, possibly both A bit of both 😉 Part hunting is a skill in itself. I’ve had 20 years practice though. eBay is not what it once was. A few people still sell on there but prices are higher than anywhere else because of the fees it attracts. I find it slow moving and generally an older generation buying on there, but I can be a good way of making first contact with someone. Facebook is good but you have to be a part of a lot of groups and you have to be quick. I do buy (and sell) quite a bit on there though, and the fact a lot of people ‘don’t do Facebook’ is an advantage as they never get to see those adverts. I’ve had a load of stuff listed on eBay and marketplace as part of a bit of a clear out and rationalisation of parts as a result of building this, and I’ve sold 10x more on Facebook than ebay. The few remaining forums can be good sometimes but I don’t really use RnS or nsra anymore cos they’re full of the sort of people I don’t like. A lot of stuff does change hands under the radar before it’s ever advertised openly. Once you’ve been into this stuff for a while you sorta become part of a underground network of parts hoarders 🤣 A lot of trading of those hoarded parts happens rather than cash changing hands. All this sort of thing is as old school as the cars themselves!
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Dez
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Feb 14, 2021 14:09:41 GMT
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So that was the easy bit of the chassis done. I had definite surfaces to work to and tbh anyone who can work a tape measure, square and spirit level could have done it. From this point on it gets very complicated very quickly. Partially because I’m having to design and assemble a chassis table as I go that does what I need it to regards assembling this chassis, and also because all further chassis measurements are taken from imaginary baselines rather than tangible points. All height references are taken from a baseline that projects from the bottom of the section I’ve just put together, and all widths are taken from an imaginary chassis centreline. The chassis also tapers 3 times from here forwards and has a upwards sweep too. I really didn’t take enough pictures of this stage either. This is the first one I have, and what I’ve done here is blocked up my two 10” deep, 5” wide, 15 foot long RSJs that form the basis of my chassis table on the flattest bit of the workshop floor, then shimmed them to height and added a few odd bits of box section welded on to hold them parallel at 4’. I chose 4’ as it’s a nice round number, and the rear sections of the chassis sit about centred on the RSJs at that, being 44” wide externally. I then centred and squared the rear section I’d already put together on the new makeshift table (I was happy with how the table worked so I later welded it together permanently). I also blocked up the rear crossmember to height, then clamped, checked and then welded everything down. I could now start to build forwards from this, which you can see I’ve started to do in the pic above. The next major reference point on the chassis is the firewall of the cab. What the rails do between the front and back of the cab doesn’t really matter much to be honest, as more or less nothing mounts to them. but they taper in and rise up to the firewall. I had the built-in rise set into the rails, but for the taper I needed to make a jig that set them in the right place on each side. The two reference points here are the front body mount bolt holes where the front do the cab bolts down at the firewall. They need to be level and evenly spaced. You can see the jig above. It’s just a 4 foot length of box that has two uprights welded on for the sides of the rails to clamp to, which welds down to the table at the correct distance from the rear. The rails are then welded to the rear section, set for height, and clamped to the uprights. In this close up you can see how the rails sit against the jig (circled white). This holds the outer face vertical as well as at the right height. One rail had a slight twist so being able to clamp it down like this was very beneficial to removing that twist. You can also see circled in red where I’ve repaired some not so good bits of chassis lip. It had so many grinder gouges, bits ground thin and holes it was easier to replace a few bits than repair what was left. So those bits are now in the right place and solid. The chassis here is only an open C section with no inner boxing plates. You’ll see how that works a bit later. Working forwards, next major reference point is the front crossmember. The jig for that isn’t that complicated, it’s more box section welded down, with more bits of box welded on top of that to get it set up at the right height. The only datum is the centre pin for the leaf spring location. But the added complication here is I don’t actually have the right crossmember. I’ve got to chop up the wrong one I have to match the dimensions of the blueprints.
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Dez
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Feb 15, 2021 21:06:29 GMT
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The front crossmember. Well. Early ford front crossmembers change almost year on year through the ‘30s. Model A (28-31) are different to ‘32, are different to 33-34, are different to 35-36, are different to 37-40. Widths are different, amount of drop is different, rad mounts are different, and they change quite a bit in ‘35 as the front end goes from spring-over-axle to spring in front of axle, effectively moving the crossmember in relation to the axle. But they all essentially just mount a transverse leaf at one fixed point to the chassis, using U-bolts. I almost went with buying a repro model A one and widening it to 33/34 width, but the repro ones don’t have the return flanges on them which easily marks them out as a repro part. Adding them would be a load of work on top of buying one in the first place, so instead I decided to work with what I already had and sacrifice a 37-41 crossmember, but narrowing and flattening it to 33/34 specs. I figured out how much too wide and high it was, then marked it out and carved it up. Another very simple jig (in the background) to clamp everything down to to keep it square and level, then a fair bit of welding later, and we have this- Mucho grindy smooth later... It’s not an exact copy of a 33/34 one, but the key dimensions are right, and by the time it’s got a rad on top of it and a grille shell and insert in front, you can see so little of it no one is going to know. Especially when at a glance it has the double return flange, unlike a repro.
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Chris™
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Feb 18, 2021 13:56:49 GMT
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A lot of stuff does change hands under the radar before it’s ever advertised openly. Once you’ve been into this stuff for a while you sorta become part of a underground network of parts hoarders 🤣 A lot of trading of those hoarded parts happens rather than cash changing hands. All this sort of thing is as old school as the cars themselves! Thanks Dez, I suspected your last point may have been the case. I guess often you grab hold of parts you don't need but know are desirable in the hope they can be swapped sometime down the line too! I'll keep my eyes peeled, I strongly suspect I'll be going down a fibreglass route myself or chopping up something British! I can always transfer parts between cars later if the right things come up for sale.
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