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OK, here is the thing.
I am a nurse by trade, so know how to do some things really well, and have been a white collar salesman the last 16 years.
That has not stopped me from owning a few cars over the years that fit in here etc.
However, I am no mechanic, and cannot do like guys like Slater, Autohausdolby and a multitude of others do..... ie, take a piece of wibblepoo and turn it into something worth a double OOOff.
So, the question is.... what is the potential of the 2.0liter Ford engines on the tunning front ? I suspect there are a few models.
What I need is something that n spite of being reasonably simple can get to around 200bhp, but still retain decent RELIABILITY I guess that word and power do not often feature in the same sentence.
So, please tell me what the lay of the land is wrt to modding (Pinto is that their name?) engines for decent output, but good reliability, with longevity included. If it cannot be done, then tell me, or else tel me the right books to read, or people to go to when I am ready to do this thing, which will be done.
Thanks gyus/gals.
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Get yourself the Dave Vizard and Des Hammill books, read them, and giggle with evil intent in your heart!!!
There is MUCH to do with a Pinto lump. As much or more than a SBC. There are DOHC options, upgraded block options, various rod options, steel cranks, Cossie pistons, vernier timing wheels, RV cams up thru unlimited forest rally cams, big valves in stainless, dry sump kits, light flywheels, every kind of extractors 4-2-1, 4-1, dual side drafts, single 4v quads, Hilborn injection, Cossie turbo injected, and MORE! And used! And a lot of it cheap these days, since "rice-a-roni" has dazzled the children away from these alleged dinosaurs. Leaving the field clear for oldies, like .... us. ;D
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The rally boys modified Pintos for years, IIRC anything more than 160-odd bhp is at the reliability limit if you stick with the SOHC head. I did see one pull over 200bhp on the rollers once but it didn't last long!!
Most of the Mk2's still rallying at Clubman level have gone for the ubiquitous XE now, but I have seen a few running Vauxhall SOHC lumps out on road rallies.
Sure someone here will know better than me, though.
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Last Edit: Nov 5, 2007 20:36:28 GMT by briandamaged
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bstardchild
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However, I am no mechanic, and cannot do like guys like Slater, Autohausdolby and a multitude of others do..... ie, take a piece of wibblepoo and turn it into something worth a double OOOff. So concentrate on what you can do well So, the question is.... what is the potential of the 2.0liter Ford engines on the tunning front ? I suspect there are a few models. What I need is something that n spite of being reasonably simple can get to around 200bhp, but still retain decent RELIABILITY I guess that word and power do not often feature in the same sentence. So, please tell me what the lay of the land is wrt to modding (Pinto is that their name?) engines for decent output, but good reliability, with longevity included. If it cannot be done, then tell me, or else tel me the right books to read, or people to go to when I am ready to do this thing, which will be done. Thanks gyus/gals. Why talk about a pinto then... Unless it's already in a car you want to buy Pinto + 200 bhp = Pain as it breaks on a regular basis |
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XE.
Sorted.
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Top grammar tips!
Bought = purchased. Brought = relocated
Lose = misplace/opposite of win. Loose = your mum
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Pintos can make 200hp but that is big $$$ and so tuned it will be undriveable and need super unleaded with double doses of octane additive. They can make 160-170hp on an everyday realistic budget, run on 95 fuel, won't break and won't need constant attention. However we're still talking about an engine that has been taken up to almost double its original power and will still be flowed and cammed up to the eyeballs.
You can turn the Focus ST170 engine round to rwd direction and all the parts are now available off the shelf for the price you can build a Pinto up to that power. Then you have the vernier exhaust gear for £80 which will take it up to 180hp, still a docile stock engine with a simple tweak and you'll get factory mpg figures. You can do the same with a Zetec for a bit less and still have 150hp.
Depends which way you want to go. I prefer the oldskool balls out way, but I'll never make the power figures you can get out a modern motor. But then I don't care about stuff like that ;D
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The rally boys modified Pintos for years, IIRC anything more than 160-odd bhp is at the reliability limit if you stick with the SOHC head. I did see one pull over 200bhp on the rollers once but it didn't last long!! Most of the Mk2's still rallying at Clubman level have gone for the ubiquitous XE now, but I have seen a few running Vauxhall SOHC lumps out on road rallies. Sure someone here will know better than me, though. Brian, as a member of the "Inner circle" ;D ;D ;D you probably know where I am headed with this one. I just need to get my contingencies ready, so as to move beyond 50bhp. |
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Why do you need 200 bhp -weight is the key to performance the lighter the car the less bhp you need to make it perform
Cheapest tuning process in the world - ruined by top gear last night ;D
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Pintos can make 200hp but that is big $$$ and so tuned it will be undriveable and need super unleaded with double doses of octane additive. They can make 160-170hp on an everyday realistic budget, run on 95 fuel, won't break and won't need constant attention. However we're still talking about an engine that has been taken up to almost double its original power and will still be flowed and cammed up to the eyeballs. You can turn the Focus ST170 engine round to rwd direction and all the parts are now available off the shelf for the price you can build a Pinto up to that power. Then you have the vernier exhaust gear for £80 which will take it up to 180hp, still a docile stock engine with a simple tweak and you'll get factory mpg figures. You can do the same with a Zetec for a bit less and still have 150hp. Depends which way you want to go. I prefer the oldskool balls out way, but I'll never make the power figures you can get out a modern motor. But then I don't care about stuff like that ;D Thanks for that, I guess that if I were to go the "cheap" route, then 170bhp will have to be enough. There are many more options, I just had tostart at Ford, as there is Ford power (or lack of) in the current car |
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It's not so much the cheap route, it's just the things that you have to do to an engine to get those last few horsies out start to stop you being able to use normal petrol out the pump, it'll be useless below like 4000rpm, it'll overheat, need exotic oil, special components etc. Think of it more of the line between where you can use normal off the shelf Pinto bits and needing expensive specialist components all round  |
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how about a stock 2.0 cossie turbo think they are rated at 225bhp fits where a pinto does pretty much job done  |
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I'm fairly sure, although it was a LONG time ago, Street Machine Magazine did a feature on a guy with a MK4 Tina that was kicking out 300 odd BHP with a single cam head. I'm certain that, through experimenting, he reworked the head ports and reshaped using Araldite! I remember that he shaped them like apples. He probably used Pears for the pistons too  |
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how about a stock 2.0 cossie turbo think they are rated at 225bhp fits where a pinto does pretty much job done (Grabbing your collars.., an aside...) No! No! No! Don't be telling the other toffs about YBs. (Turning back to the auience...) "Hey, I know, how about an SR20DETRiigtiibbsrevlet? Or a yank V8? Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket." |
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You can get Pintos to make silly power (i.e. 250bhp n/a and still fairly useable). However you'll need a lottery win to pay for it and it'll do curse word mpg.
Apparantley Pinto turbos are fairly good for decent power. IIRC you need cossie pistons (or the whole bottom end) or american pinto pistons to drop the compression, bolt a turbo on with decent injection (could probably base on the stock pinto efi in sierras/granadas) and with a mild amount of boost i've seen em make 175+bhp.
Matt
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How much are YBs going for these days? £1,500?
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OK, looks like 200bhp from a pinto is out.
I really need to find an option that delivers good mileage compromised with decent, not mad performance.
It has also been suggested that I look at Opel/Vauxhall power from a 2.0liter.
The debate will continue for a while I guess.
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lima pinto. 2.6 litre stroker on mikunis with ARCA head FTW maybe.... www.esslingeracing.com/ and a credit card is all you need. |
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how about a stock 2.0 cossie turbo think they are rated at 225bhp fits where a pinto does pretty much job done (Grabbing your collars.., an aside...) No! No! No! Don't be telling the other toffs about YBs. (Turning back to the auience...) "Hey, I know, how about an SR20DETRiigtiibbsrevlet? Or a yank V8? Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket." This is the UK. YBs aren't a secret. Grizz - Volvo turbot? SAAB? *n |
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Top grammar tips!
Bought = purchased. Brought = relocated
Lose = misplace/opposite of win. Loose = your mum
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How much are YBs going for these days? £1,500? Data Point - We bought a YB new, straight from Cosworth, with dyno sheet break-in time, 240HP, Haltech ECM, inconel 4-2-1 extractors, Hilborn EFI, and dry sump, for $3500US.  Shrug. |
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How much are YBs going for these days? £1,500? :/ *n you'd spend that on a pinto trying to make the numbers  |
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