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I'm salivating at the thought of actually seeing where this thread is going to lead! lots of people on loads of forums are always going on about big power pintos being the ultimate up the strip, possibly they are (they have had 40 odd years of development after all) but the newer duratecs are far better road engines, they use less juice, are lighter, have mucho better manners and last far longer between rebuilds. I totally agree. I don't know about the performance on the strip because I like going 'round corners fast, not going quickly in a straight line! But for everyday use, I'd choose a Duratec. Or actually a Zetec, because I'm currently a pauper, and Mondeos are free. ;D |
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Suzuki GSX-R600Y SRAD with bald, melted tyres
A borrowed Mondeo
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This car is not being built for racing at all, not even to pisss off BarryBoys and their type.
I want reliability, that I can get in it in Kent, and drive to Retro Rides '08 knowing the only stop will be forcoffee at the services along the way. I must also be able to go to ASDA/Tesco to buy groceries on a Saturday to show off.
I love looking at huge money cars, and intricate designs, but need this to run on simplicity, and off the shelf performance.
At this point, I also have to say that I believe my 200bhp vision was distorted, and a tad unrealistic, so the bar has been set lower toward 150bhp of shopping trolley reliability and affordability, so your basic Daily models with a dash of performance comes into play more.
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I'm going to vote zetec..... 16v, lighter than a pinto, 130bhp standard from the 2.0 with a cat. mk1/2 mondeos are indeed free, I actually make a profit per car despite keeping the engine for converting to RWD. Sumps are available (also free, if you know where to look), most old ford gearboxes fit (my mk2 tina runs a 1.8 zetec on the original box), standard ECU runs fine if you use the EECIV unit not the later EECV type.
It isn't that I dislike the pinto, I've been using/abusing them for 20 years now, BUT a good 2.0 pinto is now getting hard to find and therefore more expensive, the fuel economy is pretty bad by modern standards, and it is still a heavy old lump. I'd love a good YB, just don't think I'll ever afford (or justify) one
Duratec, well, still too expensive for me, and harder to source bits for. It is something I am looking at though, for when the zetecs run out.
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I'd agree if your limiting your power to 150, a zetec will be cheaper to fit than the duratec and will do you just fine.
actually if you want a really cheap 150bhp motor and its to go in a classic capri id suggest a 2.8 V6, its a heavy lump but you can probably pick up a rotten capri or xr4i for pennies and you can just drop it straight in, load up the shell with the capri bits you don't need and get your money back in scrap. you should ge all the bits you need without worrying about buying a clutch or gearbox etc, if you get a capri you can probably use the back axle as well so the gearing will be much better.
you can always swop over to a lighter newer engine when funds allow.
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I certainly don't want threadjack, but are zetec-into-old-ford conversions really as easy as all that. My xflow build has gone stale, and i don't know if after all this time dong it I'm gonna get quickly bored with 90ish-bhp, maybe a zetec install is on the cards  ;D Oh, and grizz, Ive wanted a classic capri for longer than ive know what they're called. You lucky so-and-so ;D  |
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I certainly don't want threadjack, but are zetec-into-old-ford conversions really as easy as all that. My xflow build has gone stale, and I don't know if after all this time dong it I'm gonna get quickly bored with 90ish-bhp, maybe a zetec install is on the cards ;D Oh, and grizz, Ive wanted a classic capri for longer than ive know what they're called. You lucky so-and-so ;D go sign up on www.turbosport.co.uk and www.oldskoolford.co.ukboth of em have detailed resto and modified escort threads that'll show you whats involved. |
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Threadjack never a problem to me, we are still on the same subject ehh?
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I've got a 1.8 Zetec for £100, with gearbox. Runs great, comes with free car wrapped around it. Take the engine out, cube the shell, sell the brand new exhaust for a tenner, the cat is worth £40 and you're probably running a profit.
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Never trust a man
Who names himself Trevor.
Or one day you might find
He's not a real drug dealer.
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What the engine going into? Does it have to be 2.0? Sorry to play devil advocate but a 1.6 turbo CVH, from an RS turbo is a good lump and it will make the magic 200 bhp with an off the shelf chip and cam! Nab one from a fiesta and you even get efi (it is fords own system so it not great) if you want 200 bhp from the fiesta lump you also need to swap the injectors too. Find a rotten Fiesta RS Turbo and save the lump a MT75 from a late CVH powered sierra will give you a strong rwd box ;D Just a thought? Plus if the bottom end does go bandy you can uses a 1.8/2.0 zetec bottom engine with the cvh head giving you whats called a zvh. 2.0 zetec is a good engine very cheap to buy although to see 200 bhp will require a far bit of work. However ITB and cams will give you about 180 bhp. The (old) 16v I4 from the RS2000 mk5 will give similar power too but again it will cost as it not a commonly tuned engine. As for budget, everyone else has said it a YB gives you 200+ bhp as standard but a decent one will cost a good £1500 and if it goes wrong you will cry and so will you bank manager  |
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Last Edit: Nov 7, 2007 19:58:02 GMT by Robinxr4i
Sierra - here we go again! He has an illness, it's not his fault.
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cvh is pants, and more expensive, and more unreliable and will use more fuel and needs fooking about with for a rwd aplication, why bother when there are more modern relaible ways to 200bhp? or if you must hav a turbo then the YB kicks the cvh to death.
its a fairly simple problem really, pinto if your a traditionalist, YB if you want high power 4 pot turbo, zetec for modern budget reasonable power and duratec for the sophisticated modern lightweight touch, they can be built into high revving 300bhp N/a monsters too.
When an engine is rarely used there is usually a reason, cvh turbo is ok if thats all that'll fit ad your stuck with fwd, but cant see the point of wasting all the effort for rwd when there are better options frm ford already.
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What the engine going into? Does it have to be 2.0? Sorry to play devil advocate but a 1.6 turbo CVH, from an RS turbo is a good lump and it will make the magic 200 bhp with an off the shelf chip and cam! Nab one from a fiesta and you even get efi (it is fords own system so it not great) if you want 200 bhp from the fiesta lump you also need to swap the injectors too. Find a rotten Fiesta RS Turbo and save the lump a MT75 from a late CVH powered sierra will give you a strong rwd box ;D Just a thought? Plus if the bottom end does go bandy you can uses a 1.8/2.0 zetec bottom engine with the cvh head giving you whats called a zvh. 2.0 zetec is a good engine very cheap to buy although to see 200 bhp will require a far bit of work. However ITB and cams will give you about 180 bhp. The (old) 16v I4 from the RS2000 mk5 will give similar power too but again it will cost as it not a commonly tuned engine. As for budget, everyone else has said it a YB gives you 200+ bhp as standard but a decent one will cost a good £1500 and if it goes wrong you will cry and so will you bank manager Grizz is on his way back home (south Africa) for a holiday so i´ll answer this for him...... No it doesn´t have to be a 2,0l, infact it doesn´t have to be a Pinto either Robin. What he´s after really is a relatively fast, reliable Ford lump and box, RWD is a must. I reckon the 150bhp would be more than enough for what he´s up to. His new project is 6v and will have to be modded up to 12 so a modern engine requiring hundreds of electrical wizzards manhours to get it up and running is not going to happen. The YB option is not a bad one (but expensive) but it´s not going to be a race car, definately won´t be going fast around corners and just has to hold it´s own in modern traffic and be reliable. |
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Zetec on bike carbs. Do it.
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For a mid sized every day road car that's easy to drive but can give performance when you want it I'd go with the Cologne, either 2.8, 2.9 or Cossie V6.
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What the engine going into? Does it have to be 2.0? Sorry to play devil advocate but a 1.6 turbo CVH, from an RS turbo is a good lump and it will make the magic 200 bhp with an off the shelf chip and cam! Nab one from a fiesta and you even get efi (it is fords own system so it not great) if you want 200 bhp from the fiesta lump you also need to swap the injectors too. Find a rotten Fiesta RS Turbo and save the lump a MT75 from a late CVH powered sierra will give you a strong rwd box ;D Just a thought? Plus if the bottom end does go bandy you can uses a 1.8/2.0 zetec bottom engine with the cvh head giving you whats called a zvh. 2.0 zetec is a good engine very cheap to buy although to see 200 bhp will require a far bit of work. However ITB and cams will give you about 180 bhp. The (old) 16v I4 from the RS2000 mk5 will give similar power too but again it will cost as it not a commonly tuned engine. As for budget, everyone else has said it a YB gives you 200+ bhp as standard but a decent one will cost a good £1500 and if it goes wrong you will cry and so will you bank manager Grizz is on his way back home (south Africa) for a holiday so i´ll answer this for him...... No it doesn´t have to be a 2,0l, infact it doesn´t have to be a Pinto either Robin. What he´s after really is a relatively fast, reliable Ford lump and box, RWD is a must. I reckon the 150bhp would be more than enough for what he´s up to. His new project is 6v and will have to be modded up to 12 so a modern engine requiring hundreds of electrical wizzards manhours to get it up and running is not going to happen. The YB option is not a bad one (but expensive) but it´s not going to be a race car, definately won´t be going fast around corners and just has to hold it´s own in modern traffic and be reliable. ;D ;D ;D Addicted to the interweb. After this post, I am outta here, and will only pop online where I can. Look out for interim reports, and maybe a car that I am planning to buy in SA !! Thanks for the answer Dave. I think you cought the essence of what is needed there. The mods need to be able to cope with modern traffic. Keep the info and suggestions comming. |
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Grizz is on his way back home (south Africa) for a holiday so i´ll answer this for him...... No it doesn´t have to be a 2,0l, infact it doesn´t have to be a Pinto either Robin. What he´s after really is a relatively fast, reliable Ford lump and box, RWD is a must. I reckon the 150bhp would be more than enough for what he´s up to. His new project is 6v and will have to be modded up to 12 so a modern engine requiring hundreds of electrical wizzards manhours to get it up and running is not going to happen. The YB option is not a bad one (but expensive) but it´s not going to be a race car, definately won´t be going fast around corners and just has to hold it´s own in modern traffic and be reliable. ;D ;D ;D Addicted to the interweb. After this post, I am outta here, and will only pop online where I can. Look out for interim reports, and maybe a car that I am planning to buy in SA !! Thanks for the answer Dave. I think you cought the essence of what is needed there. The mods need to be able to cope with modern traffic. Keep the info and suggestions comming. |
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Dec 10, 2007 22:11:47 GMT
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to be honest the things you need for coping with modern traffic are not fast engines big brakes or multilink suspension systems, i'll tell you what you really need, you need wipers that actually wipe the water off the screen, a heater that will demist the car before you've driven 30 miles and then keep it demisted even if you pick up a mate with a slightly damp jacket on and headlights that let you see more than 25ft in front of you in the dark.
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