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I have noticed lately that I have become more and more drawn to cars with patina, or faux patina if you like. I used to really like the shiny stuff, but now I seem to like the stuff that looks a bit lived in, a bit playworn, like its got a bit of history to it. Now I am guessing that a fair amount of this stuff actually is the real deal, and has that patina'd look because it is playorn, and does have history, but a fair bit doesn't, for example this...  I'm pretty sure that this little Polo didn't get like this on it's own! This forced patina look doesn't do it for me, because it never looks quite right. But then there's stuff like this...  And this...  Now, I don't know if I'm honest if I'm looking at faux patina here or the real deal. I guess what makes it harder to spot is that the age of the vehicles is right to have gathered that amount of aging, erm, if that makes sense. Plus, unlike the fella with the Polo, they've not been garnished with bolt on tat like the roofrack, taxi sign etc. Also the Polos patina looks too obvious, whereas the bus and the Galaxie just look worn. So my question is, how do you create faux patina that is convincing as the real thing. What do you do to the paint, can you buy special paint that somehow gives it that worn in look? Lastly of course, all good thread have pics, so can you show me examples of faux patina that looks convincingly real? |
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" how do you create faux patina that is convincing as the real thing."
You don't.
Fauxtina is bogus and if you look close enough you can spot the difference.
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Do you think the Galaxie or the Bus is fake, or is that the real thing?
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I'd have to see it in person to know for sure.
They even make half way decent wraps...
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has the vw got natural patina with added patina? The paint looks like real patina, but have the original accessories, or some of them been added later on for extra patina points.I think the galaxie is fake.
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 Too much? Or do you like them really ripe?  |
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To me fauxtina always looks like wibblepoo. I don't believe it is possible to achieve anything close to realism and why would you even want to? An honest unrestored survivor car on the other hand is a thing of beauty to me, especially if it is still being dailied by the original owner.
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Best one I ever saw at a show was a Reliant Regal van - Del Boy style - that had been treated to 'rust' stains.
The 'make up artist' couldn't understand why everyone was laughing so much as we took photographs
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Patina is supposed to show a cars life, so it will tend be 'playworn', rather that battered to wotsit and covered in scabby patches of rust. There are exeptions of course, I like any patina, if its real, and if it looks real, but when its 'done' to the extent that it looks like its had stuff thrown at it (bricks, tat, black and yellow tape, random light up signs) I'm out. Examples of patina Knackered. Stitch it back together and your good to go  Perfect  Perferct  Looks like its had work to get it to this stage, just looks rough, theres some patina on it, and more recent repairs. Slightly ratty.  Rough, has had work, numbers added, still looks cool but to me its more ratlook than patina.  |
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steveg
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I would say both are fake although the bus is more like something just imported from somewhere like Mexico. UK patina would mean a near perfect looking top half with rusted sills and door bottoms and lots of yellow chalk marks !
It would be interesting to know how they get the look of the bus though. Id guess that a coat of rusty paint top down, a light coat of white getting thicker towards the bottom and then the red on top. It would then be a case of rubbing though the top coats to expose the rusty paint underneath.
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Another example of long-term-use, I think back to my youth and to cars that were nursed along past their prime. In the 70s & 80s probably 5% of cars were running about with mismatched wings / doors, etc. providing testimony to tinworm or shunts.  |
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I love natural patina; it's a car's way of telling you its story. As much as I admire a beautifully restored example, I like the 'lived in' feel of proper ageing, but then I am biased. Not sure of the story my STD1 is telling, but I'm assuming it involves Stockholm syndrome somewhere along the line...  |
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I would say both are fake although the bus is more like something just imported from somewhere like Mexico. UK patina would mean a near perfect looking top half with rusted sills and door bottoms and lots of yellow chalk marks ! It would be interesting to know how they get the look of the bus though. Id guess that a coat of rusty paint top down, a light coat of white getting thicker towards the bottom and then the red on top. It would then be a case of rubbing though the top coats to expose the rusty paint underneath. The vw bus is a clever technique of flat painting the vehicle & then over coating areas to "rust" you then use an aplicator spray which bubbles up & reacts to the paint below. www.rustypaint.com/Instructions-FAQ.phpwww.rustypaint.com/customers-projects-pictures.php |
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steveg
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I knew there was paint but didn't know about having to activate it, thanks.
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okp
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It’s basically metal filings in a base carrier, painter on and then once activated with anything that will set the metal in it to start rusting, I’ve used it a couple times on fibreglass helmets  |
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Faux Patina.retrolegends
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Or another explanation.......   When I was custodian of this pile of junk it had been used on a banger rally across Europe which accounts for the original colour scheme, if I had got the money at the time I would have loved to have had it respryed in its original Harvest Gold colour but kids and a wife working part time forced my hand so I ended up going down the rat route. Probably why most people go for fake patina, they start off with a scruffy car and find its cheaper to personalise it than to get it back to its original condition. |
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Personally I love a car wearing its history, but it has to be real. You can't fake it. If you really want to fake a history as opposed to buying something authentic and fixing it up, then understatement would be key.
Don't add lots of bolt-on stuff and avoid the retro decals.
If you're going to use rush paint use it sparingly and build it up over time so it ages appriately to how the rust would have spread.
And the easiest one of all... don't wash it. I do sometimes wash my car but having done so I find I am keen to see the dirt build up again.
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Last Edit: Aug 8, 2018 8:18:39 GMT by Deleted
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horses for courses I suppose. My '64 Chevy was faux patina, but i thought it was fairly subtle and in keeping with the truck.........  My Bay pick up was the real deal - well used!  |
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Currently driving a '68 Karmann Ghia as my daily. Don't ask about previous cars - there have been way too many and I stopped counting at 160!
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