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Faux Patina.johnthesparky
@johnthesparky
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I quite like real patina as it shows history.... I sit on the fence with fake subtle patina, but dislike the forced patina thing (rust paint and bare metal bonnet type stuff) but I think the forced patina thing starts to bleed through into forced ratlook (which also isn’t my thing)
The history is interesting... like our old ‘05 Altea, for us every scrape and mark had a story behind it, so they weren’t a bad thing just a part of it history (well maybe they were until we’d finished paying for it) but to anyone else who doesn’t know the history it was just a scruffy shonky Spanish golf. I like Pistonpoppers name of ‘playworn’, patina makes the wear more obvious without the history, so turns the scruffy car into something with a readable history?
But isn’t part of customising cars that it is divisive?
One man’s meat is another man’s poison... and to some people, the fact that their car is being talked about is probably enough
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Faux Patina.Deleted
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I'd rather a patinated original paint vehicle than a shiny respray over inches of filler. At least you know what you are buying. But your referring to originality And I'm fine with that At the beginning of this thread there was a Ferrari what you see is what you get etc now I would class that as a survivor not patina and yes if I was to but a car like that I would leave it as it is but that don't answer the question of why would you try to make it look ruff if it was ok in the first place secondly making or keeping it that way will only reduce its life my bus has spent 40+ years sitting in an Arizona desert so it has a lovely patina but I live in a damp rainy England the paint in places has faded to a rusty metal so if I don't do anything with that how long will it last in this country? around the front screen under the window rubber that rust had become porous only a couple of pin holes but they would allow water to get inside creating more rust later in life and another thing I noticed with my bus was all the years of sand build up in the chassis legs and out Riggers now had I not chosen to fully restore this I wouldn't have noticed it and over time it would have got wet and stayed wet slowly but surely rusting from the inside out so to recap in my view originality is good an original patina (like faded paint) is ok as long as it isn't going to shorten the life of a classic vehicle fake or encouraged patina is not good Is there somewhere i can see pictures of your baywindow??? |
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Aug 12, 2018 11:41:23 GMT
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See it's stuff like this that I really struggle with.    I guess the rust, and wear marks are pretty much in the right places as far as where they might occur naturally (apart from the rusty plastic parts!) But, it's a brand new Ford Ranger! Did it miss the galavanising bit and rust proofing bit at the factory it was made? I know its a wrap, and should you apply this to a 1970's Ranger then you'd probably fool everyone from a distance. But then theres this...  A 12 year old Ford Ranger with just under 43,000 miles on the clock wearing the patina of a vehicle thats lived outside by the sea all its life. Good honest patina... Probably wouldn't want this one either! |
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Faux Patina.Deleted
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Aug 12, 2018 11:47:22 GMT
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Its like 'distressed' look furniture. Its a fashion thing. Off on a slight tangent, but this comment tickled me... My wife, and many of her friends, have a thing about buying a piece of worn out furniture from a junk shop. It'll have chipped paint, stains, worn out surfaces, chunks missing, cracked joints... the works. So the first thing that happens it I have to make it good. Strip it down, fill and shape, fix the busted parts, make it strong and like a new item waiting for paint. Then my wife takes it back off me, adds paint to it, then another coat in a different shade, then another. Then she gets the sand paper out and sands it all back so it's patchy and worn. She'll carve bits out with a gouging chisel to make it look authentically old. In short, it ends up back where it was when it came home, only back then it was junk, and now it's... "shabby chic" Gets me every time. |
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Last Edit: Aug 12, 2018 11:47:48 GMT by Deleted
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okp
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Aug 12, 2018 11:50:20 GMT
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It’s a Ford... in my experience of them they all do that with it without the wrap🙈😂😂
All this forced UK rust ( not patina... it’s rust!)
Is just gonna kill cars anyway. As above people are paying extra for the fashion, so what we get is people forcing rust, selling it on for a profit and then a few years down the line, what could have been a decent classic, has rotten through ... yay for aheeple and their trends 🤦♀️
Leave that curse word to the Americans and their dry Texas states
I know that’s probably a little hypocritical given what I’m building, but mines a fibreglass body that I want to look like it’s from 1923
To each their own I guess
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Aug 12, 2018 11:56:08 GMT
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Yep i've seen that sort of thing myself @quatermass, there's a lady that gets down our local tip all the time buying up nice old furniture that she then paints, and makes it into "shabby chic" furniture, then she sells it, at a huge mark up! I've no idea who she sells it to, but every week she's down there buying more. I hate all that "shabby chic" furniture. My house has been furnished from the tip, and charity shops, i'm guessing a lot of our furniture comes from the '40's to the '70's, it's pretty mix and match. It's a bit scuffed about, scratched, and marked, but it's all original (except the odd screw, and glue) I love its lived in look.
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Faux Patina.Deleted
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Aug 12, 2018 11:57:05 GMT
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I know that’s probably a little hypocritical given what I’m building, but mines a fibreglass body that I want to look like it’s from 1923 This is the problem I think... every individual doing anything at all can justify it with "yeah but, I'm doing it because..." It could be argued that taking a fibreglass body that's probably on a modernish chassis - and trying to make it look like it's from 1923 - is impossible to separate from somebody taking a 2016 VW van and doing something similar. which is why I personally think it's not valid, and frankly not even worth the effort, criticising what others do. There's stuff out there in car culture that I simply cannot stand. It makes me cringe. It makes me bite my fist when I see it. I could name three things off the top of my head right now but why bother trying to make somebody else feel bad?. I always have to respect the fact that that's what that person wanted to do, and they must be happy with it, and frankly what I'm doing to my car is likely to please about .37% of the car culture's population who would criticise it with as much conviction, and to whom I would say "Yeahhhh, but...." |
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Faux Patina.Deleted
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Aug 12, 2018 11:59:13 GMT
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makes it into "shabby chic" furniture, then she sells it, at a huge mark up! I wish my wife would do that. I live in a shabby chic hell. Everytime she brings something home I say "Where will will cram this one then?" and she will then spend a weekend rearranging everything so there's a place for it. What gets me is she then criticises me when I leave car oil stains on it. THAT'S AUTHENTIC!! THAT'S SHABBY CHIC! I cry. But no, it's not. It's only shabby chic if it's a pastel shade, apparently. Also: Once they're shabby chic they're no longer furniture... a chair, a table, a plate display... they become a "piece". It's a "piece". WHAT THE HELL DO YOU MEAN IT'S A "PIECE"? IT'S A SHOE RACK FFS! |
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Last Edit: Aug 12, 2018 12:01:41 GMT by Deleted
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Aug 12, 2018 12:02:13 GMT
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Its like 'distressed' look furniture. Its a fashion thing. Off on a slight tangent, but this comment tickled me... My wife, and many of her friends, have a thing about buying a piece of worn out furniture from a junk shop. It'll have chipped paint, stains, worn out surfaces, chunks missing, cracked joints... the works. So the first thing that happens it I have to make it good. Strip it down, fill and shape, fix the busted parts, make it strong and like a new item waiting for paint. Then my wife takes it back off me, adds paint to it, then another coat in a different shade, then another. Then she gets the sand paper out and sands it all back so it's patchy and worn. She'll carve bits out with a gouging chisel to make it look authentically old. In short, it ends up back where it was when it came home, only back then it was junk, and now it's... "shabby chic" Gets me every time. So true  . Sometimes when in restoring a piece of furniture ill have filler here and there, 2 or 3 coats of primer in different colours, then ill rub it back to make sure its all nice and flat. Sometimes it looks quite cool with all the different colours highlighting the faults, but if I'm spending time on something I'm doing so to make it look smart, so it doesnt look like that for long. Or like that drew bloke who'll pay good money for a mirror thats so knackered he cant see his face in it. I don't get it. Like anything as soon as there is a trend for something, people will take it further and further in that direction until it gets overdone. That doesnt mean i don't like seeing ratty cars, or patinad cars, well crafted fake patina is good, its when people just make things look knackered and beaten up with no real thought about how it should look. |
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okp
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Aug 12, 2018 12:08:37 GMT
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I know that’s probably a little hypocritical given what I’m building, but mines a fibreglass body that I want to look like it’s from 1923 This is the problem I think... every individual doing anything at all can justify it with "yeah but, I'm doing it because..." It could be argued that taking a fibreglass body that's probably on a modernish chassis - and trying to make it look like it's from 1923 - is impossible to separate from somebody taking a 2016 VW van and doing something similar. which is why I personally think it's not valid, and frankly not even worth the effort, criticising what others do. There's stuff out there in car culture that I simply cannot stand. It makes me cringe. It makes me bite my fist when I see it. I could name three things off the top of my head right now but why bother trying to make somebody else feel bad?. I always have to respect the fact that that's what that person wanted to do, and they must be happy with it, and frankly what I'm doing to my car is likely to please about .37% of the car culture's population who would criticise it with as much conviction, and to whom I would say "Yeahhhh, but...." All well and good but the other end of that spectrum is a shiny new body looks out of place on a car built from parts already with age and it’s own patina... so there is a balance The difference is that 2016 vw is going to continue to rust through to a short lived scrap heap |
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Aug 12, 2018 18:09:43 GMT
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. Sometimes when in restoring a piece of furniture ill have filler here and there, 2 or 3 coats of primer in different colours, then ill rub it back to make sure its all nice and flat. Sometimes it looks quite cool with all the different colours highlighting the faults, but if I'm spending time on something I'm doing so to make it look smart, so it doesnt look like that for long.
