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For me the Allegro doesn't work retrolegends that, much like to Polo looks like it's trying too hard. I think the problem is the roof rack of tat, the mismatched wheels, and the American war plane insignia on the doors. I think that there is no reason for any of these things on that car, and without that it might have been more convincing. I understand that it wears its look from surviving banger rallies though, and that's cool, it's just that to the casual observer, who doesn't know the history it's a bit haphazard. I guess like any custom, if you don't have a theme, it tends to look a bit random, and this is why it doesn't work. I do agree with what you are saying though, going the rat-rod route is a cheapish way to personalise your car. I think I've seen your 64 Chevy disasterbus and I didn't realise it was fake, so I guess the key to creating the look is subtlety. Did you create this look yourself? |
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I would say both are fake although the bus is more like something just imported from somewhere like Mexico. UK patina would mean a near perfect looking top half with rusted sills and door bottoms and lots of yellow chalk marks ! It would be interesting to know how they get the look of the bus though. Id guess that a coat of rusty paint top down, a light coat of white getting thicker towards the bottom and then the red on top. It would then be a case of rubbing though the top coats to expose the rusty paint underneath. The vw bus is a clever technique of flat painting the vehicle & then over coating areas to "rust" you then use an aplicator spray which bubbles up & reacts to the paint below. www.rustypaint.com/Instructions-FAQ.phpwww.rustypaint.com/customers-projects-pictures.phpIt’s awful stuff and I would avoid it like the plague!! The T4 looks shocking! |
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The allegro is ratlook, it doesnt have patina as such, just a worn out look, and its awesome. I prefer the natural 'found in a barn' look to a car thats been dressed up in this and that, when I went to sandwown vw show there was real patina, fake patina, and ratlook everywhere. It was cool but after a while I found myself begging to see a nice shiney concourse one. I just think its a shame when people take perfectly presentable cars and add fake patina when there was no real patina to start with.
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See for me, that Allegro is just a bit of theatre. I don't look at it and think it's trying to be a rat rod, or trying to claim authentic patina... it's a pop art car. It reminds me of early Tank Girl and Crisis (a UK comic from the 80's/90's). It utilises the general public's perception of the Allegro as a badly designed and made car and plays to it. I quite like it, personally.
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The strange thing about the Allegro is that it's actually as solid as a rock and was a totally original ziebarted one owner car before whoever did the banger rally got hold of it and painted it, they put so much hammerite everywhere it won't rust any time in the next 20 years. To be fair though it would have been worth nothing back then and as you say @quatermass played perfectly up to the perception it had. The SuperMinx I had on the other hand looked great but was held together with filler and sticky tape. 😆 The disasterbus VW is perfect in my opinion, a good usable example that's not shabby but looks like it's lived and still has plenty of life left. It reminds me of being a kid and seeing exactly the same kind of vehicles on the road in everyday use. You can't recreate that. |
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one of my least favourite fake patina cars, mainly the anti gravity rust dribbles  |
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Last Edit: Aug 8, 2018 12:37:28 GMT by darrenh
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Can’t stand the fake stuff, that ^^ looks really terrible. This is my brothers 68 bay window, this is proper patina.   |
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Last Edit: Aug 8, 2018 12:38:47 GMT by Roach
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Real patina or shiny, and it's got to be genuine use and care, not can't be arsed covered in curse word repaints and bodged repairs. Fake patina, is just that, fake... Patina isn't holes in the body work and bits falling off, it's the signs of careful but prolonged use, sun-faded paint and the marks of thousands of hands opening and closing doors, arms hanging out of windows... horses for courses I suppose. My '64 Chevy was faux patina, but i thought it was fairly subtle and in keeping with the truck.........  See, to me that is just so obviously fake I can't stand it (sorry disasterbus  ) - no "wear" in the places it should have it. and "wear" where it wouldn't... |
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Satin & matte paint are another development of the patina image.. even if they don't try to look worn, which adds an erie & unnatural effect.
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Patina is cool.
Fake or forced patina is terrible.
Exactly the same applies to rat look.
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And then there is this!!:  I quite like that, noting stands out as having just been bought from Halfords but it doesn't really need to worn out black paint on the front. It isn't something I would do but I put wheel trims on my Volvo to make it look standard. My worry with the rusty paint is that if the paint can rust what is the metal doing under it ! |
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Well according to their bumph nothing
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I guess I don't mind fake patina when it's done in a kind of ironic way (like the Allegro banger run car), but the whole "Rat Look" thing I just don't get. Why make your car look like you don't look after it when it's actually your pride and joy? Makes no logical sense to me. Tales of half a bonnet being immersed in saltwater to get the desire rust effect hold no ice with me. If your car doesn't have a lived in Patina when it was dragged out of a barn, don't try and fake it. Lived in? Fine. Slightly battered but roadworthy because parts are unavailable and or difficult to find and you don't have the money for new bits? Also ok. Special paint techniques to make it look rusty? I think you're bonkers.  |
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I think the general rule here is probably: If you've had to do any work at all to make a better car look worse... you're wasting your time.
If you've bought a genuinely old bush corpse and got it running again but haven't attempted to restore it or hide its life story... you're good to go.
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I posted THIS in the for sales a few months ago;  This effect would take major effort and expense to replicate, way more than the car would have cost you! |
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I think it depends on the subject too. All the below are fake, but look good enough to be real to me. But is that because of what car they are? If you did an Mk3 Polo as good as this, it still wouldn't fool anyone.  I'd have been completely fooled into thinking this was real too, but I am wondering what the heck all those rivits are about? This too looks beleiveable to me, from the rusty paint website  But this doesn't  Had it have been a Mercedes Vito then maybe! I think for the most part when people apply this paint they over do it, they make it too rusty, and as SamJ said, the wear tends to be in the wrong places although, to be fair to disasterbus I would never have noticed had this not been pointed out to me. I've got to agree with darrenh about that Escort though...  What the heck is going on there. Worse than that as I remember it looked to be quite a tidy little Escort under all that badly applied and thought out faux patina. Another thing I've noticed since I've been looking is that I'm not too sure we'd get this kind of patina naturally in this country.  In my mind this looks to have been left in the desert to be baked in the sun, and eroded by the sand for decades on end to acheive this. But why would a little old English car be baking in the hot desert sun? It wouldn't, it would surely get it's patina from sitting in the damp for forever and a day, and that has a different look to it, more like this...  Sort of big blisters that have turned into holes rather than nice even layer of rust. So I'm guessing as much as it's important to have the correct age car for the patina to look right on, it's also important to have the correct patina for the geographical area that the car comes from, if that makes sense. This looks both correct, and cool to me though... But is it real?  Does it matter? |
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This looks both correct, and cool to me though... But is it real? Does it matter? No. & No. |
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Yeah the whole roof would be gone if it were anywhere close to real..... And by god it'd look so much better if that roof was indeed gone!
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) - no "wear" in the places it should have it. and "wear" where it wouldn't...
