jpr1977
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Jul 15, 2016 23:56:18 GMT
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Last Edit: Jul 16, 2016 13:46:21 GMT by jpr1977
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vulgalour
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This is a brilliant thread and the first time I've found it. Really enjoyed reading your journey so far and I've stuck a bookmark on to keep updated with any further progress.
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taurus
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Wow - just wow! You've done brilliant work on this car, and it is even more wonderful in the flesh than on photos. I am really impressed how it is turning out.
As said above, it sounds like the gear linkage is out of alignment. I've not worked on one of those but most things have a reference point which you lock off that sets everything up in line.
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Great news! Looks a peach too.
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Jul 19, 2016 11:50:32 GMT
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Fabulous, you have no idea how jealous I am of this car
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1984 Subaru GLF Hatch
1983 Skoda 120LE Super estelle
1977 Subaru DL Wagon
1978 Datsun 120Y Coupe
1995 Skoda favorit estate
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Jul 19, 2016 12:02:15 GMT
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Almost certainly the linkage,worn bushings i expect.
You should be really proud of what you have achieved and how far you have come with this from the starting point of an absolute beginner.Really impressive and the car looks great !
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Jul 21, 2016 19:13:14 GMT
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Thanks guys, I appreciate the kind comments  Still much to learn, but it's a long term process! Did a full oil change today to some decent 20W50 stuff, as the last change I'd done was before the engine was running, so the oil wasn't hot and viscous. A new oil sump seal fitted too so we're nice and covered from any leaking oil there. I also pulled the rocker cover as I thought it might be leaking - puffs of white smoke from the exhaust manifold every time the engine got hot. Think I might have found out why...  Gasket is mangled. Looks to the the original cork one, so likely 40 years of absorbing and dripping oil. New gasket and old. Again, new one was bought from mk1 golf spec, but fits snug as a bug, and even replaces some old worn OEM rubber seals for the crank ends.  And then onto gear linkage.... I've had several good looks under the car, but if I'm honest I have no idea what I'm supposed to be looking at. They haynes is again, relatively useless, and Google isn't proving too much help at the moment. The VWVortex link sort of helped, but again I don't know enough to really understand what I'm doing or even what things should look like. Some potato photos for you all - not the easiest of places to get photos of if I'm honest. These are looking directly up from the ground to the gear stick/hand brake area.    Don't know if they'll help really! Cheers guys! |
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1979 Mk1 Passat Estate 1.6 LS
1996 Mk3.5 Fiesta 1.3 Classic
1997 Mk1 MX5 1.8i
2005 Mazda 3 TS
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Jul 21, 2016 20:00:42 GMT
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Skip to 14m - don't know if it's much help but you never know
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Jul 21, 2016 20:04:24 GMT
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looking at the pics again, it looks like some of the bushes are non existent - although I cant tell if that's right or not lol
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MK2VR6
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Mk2 Golf GTi 90 Spec
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Jul 21, 2016 20:31:40 GMT
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The Passat is looking amazing. Cap doffed for all the work you've done so far - well done for sticking with it. As for the gear linkage, I'd definitely recommend getting onto a Mk1/2 Golf area of a forum (maybe edition 38 or something like that?) and asking for advice. The earlier Golfs are notorious for having worn linkage issues, and I'd say yours is no exception.
Keep going!
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Not sure what this linkage is supposed to look like either.I can see a ball in socket arrangement on the lower part which could be an area where excess play could develop.The part above looks a bit chewed up and grooves have been worn into it so again could be excess slop there.
Might be an idea to get underneath while someone else moves the stick and see if you can see where movement on the stick is not transferring through the linkage properly.Basically you are looking for an area where there is a lot of lost stick movement taking up sloppiness in the linkage.It could feasibly be on the bottom of the gearlever itself in fact and so not visible from underneath.That would mean removing the lever which is usually quite simple.There may be a nylon bush or ball where the stick goes into the gearbox turret that could be an issue.I think MK1 Golfs have a nylon ball arrangement,as i say not familiar with these so just throwing some general things i would look for to begin with.
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stealthstylz
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That kid with the jag needs to read this, awesome work for somebody with no precious experience
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100% bushes.
On your second pic of the linkage they have virtually all disappeared, the lowest ball joint in the pic should have one and further up on the left you can see it's split.
These are just nylon bushes so wear over time, especially if the car was laid up and you've been moving it around again, they'd of just cracked and fell out.
I'm on my phone so don't know if it's been linked before but Google mk2 golf gear linkage repair kit. Loads of info and cheap parts, although a different car I'd be shocked if it was too different from what you have. I did this years ago and realigned my linkage, was easily the best thing I did to the car. Also look on top of your gearbox and see what those bushes are like, you'll be able to follow the rods back, basically everything that's a pivot point should have a bush on it to reduce play.
You car also buy a specific tool to re align the gears to get rid of your issue of lost gears, got mine off eBay years ago. I think the issue your experiencing is the actual gearstick, at the bottom there's another nylon ball in a socket and these wear, easy to see, just pull your gator up and you should be able to tell if you try selecting gears whilst watching the movement.
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Don't forget the engines on these are longitudinal so the gearbox is in the same place as it would be on a rear wheel drive car, the gear linkage is quite different to what you get on a Mk1/Mk2 golf which are transverse.
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In that case I'll grab my coat 😀
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Had a look at the part catalogue, looks like the bits you might need are:
823711281C bearing bush x2 (for the cross shaft at the top of your pics)
811711551 support arm (the bent metal bit- the bottom bush in that doesn't seem to be available separately)
811711552A support arm (other side)
The gearstick ball+socket is 431711025A and 811711511
These cars shared a lot of bits with the B1 Audi 80/Fox and were called the VW Dasher in the states which might help with your google Fu.
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jpr1977
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 I presume you have the manual 4 speed box, its probably not the greatest of help but may assist how it all goes together...  |
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Last Edit: Jul 22, 2016 8:40:38 GMT by jpr1977
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Jul 24, 2016 14:29:18 GMT
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Stu
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Jul 24, 2016 15:08:56 GMT
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I've not had chance to get on the forum much lately, but great to see this project is going so well - it looks brilliant, well done. We've all had those frustration moments where you want to thrash the car Basil Fawlty style, but stick with it, it's a rare beast and looks nearly done! I've owned more Mk1 and Mk2 Golfs than I can remember, and all needed the gear linkages sorting out - this will be the same though the gearbox is mounted differently of course. Replace the bushes where possible and look at the alignment and it'll be sorted I'm sure. I've got a little tool somewhere that locks at Mk2 Golf gearstick in place while you fit a new linkage kit and align the shift rods, if it'll fit your car and I can find it, you can have it as I seem to only buy shonky old Volvos at the moment so have no use for it Btw, love those brochure scans, I've got the Mk1 Polo and Golf ones of the same era which have a similar layout and pics of the luxurious plastic wood dashes etc. |
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Last Edit: Jul 24, 2016 15:13:22 GMT by Stu
'89 BMW E30 325i Sport, '04 MINI Cooper S, '09 Volvo V70 D5
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Jul 24, 2016 19:19:30 GMT
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As promised earlier here are some pics which may or may not be of interest! Wow, what a brilliant collection of images! Interesting read too! Really sad to see how your B1 ended though  Very much appreciate the images, almost wish I had an actual brochure! Maybe an eBay trawl is necessary! Also thanks everyone for some brilliant responses about the linkage. Some great schematics, images and part number references there! To answer a few questions; jpr yes it's a 4 speed manual, however I think the schematic you posted is for a different model, doesn't seem to correlate with what I've got. Stu, if you honestly don't need the alignment tool, then that would be absolutely amazing, provided it fits I managed to get under today and pulled all the linkage out between the gearstick/under chassis operating rod and the gearbox rod. Also pulled the gear selector unit apart but everything in there actually looks in great condition, all the ball joints and seals have been covered in grease so they're well protected and totally usable still. So I'm thinking all the extra play and gear alignment issues are coming from the actual linkage under the car. The gear stick ball joint and seal - the black is just grease and grime, this is all still really solid!  Gear linkage fresh out; Note my helpful girlfriend offering to tackle all the best jobs!  It's not looking good!  Actually, amazing what a wire brush can do! I think all the metal parts are totally solid and usable.  I cleaned up what bushes were left and popped them back in - again the ones left are surprisingly solid which is good!  Now bush replacements. Some questions, based one some bits in the Haynes and online. Green circled bushes is definitely need, Red I'm assuming I need based on the pictures from the Haynes (although I can't find any reference to them online) Blue, I've no idea if there's supposed to be a ball on here? Again no reference to it in the Haynes or online. From what I can see, the existing metal ball just slots inside a support from coming from the gearbox.  My theories are based on the below from the Haynes; (sorry it's sideways!)- Note no reference to any ball for the existing metal ball part (support rod).  4 bushes visible, 2 on each side. Can't quite see the ball one though, if it exists...  I've also been referencing a schematic here; www.jimellisaudiparts.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_product=5629426&ukey_assembly=752735Again this shows a few bits, but not enough to know for sure. The main issue I'm having is finding these parts!! They are literally nowhere!! The top green circle bush (existing) is part number 823 711 593 B, so I would assume the other corresponding bushes will have part numbers near this? This is proving a headach! |
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1979 Mk1 Passat Estate 1.6 LS
1996 Mk3.5 Fiesta 1.3 Classic
1997 Mk1 MX5 1.8i
2005 Mazda 3 TS
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Still much to learn, but it's a long term process!
(having knocked down a tree and 20ft of dry stone wall, then landing on its roof, it seemed quite well built!)
Very much appreciate the images, almost wish I had an actual brochure! Maybe an eBay trawl is necessary!