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Feb 23, 2021 20:06:37 GMT
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Had a look at it the minor at lunchtime, firstly rather than take the starter out I cut up a 1 inch socket and an old extension to make this. with that done it took a couple of minutes to get the relief valve out Everything looks ok and it slid in and out easily enough I scrubbed it up with a bit of scotchbrite and put it back together but it had no change. The oil pressure seems to fluctuate between 20psi and next to nothing even at a constant rpm and the oil light comes on as it dips towards zero which means I am pretty sure it's not the gauge. So I'm not mucking about anymore, its coming out, going to strip it and see what's what, the engine was a £100 ebay buy just to get it running for his prom 3 years ago and seems to have a good compression (consistent 150psi) so hopefully the pistons and head are OK and we will get away with bearings, an oil pump and timing chain (it rattles) even if the crank's worn it's only £140 for a reground crank and all the bearings. Don't want to go mad on it because when he has a couple of years driving under his belt he wants to fit a warmed up 1275 or even a suzuki engine and box.
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Feb 24, 2021 13:16:27 GMT
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Interesting suggestion from the minor forum that others have seen is a miss assemled or leaking oil pump gasket effectively linking the inlet and outlet, if only it has a sensible in sump or accessabl oil pump but seeing as it is on the rear of the block behind the flywheel the engines coming out on saturday anyway, whatever we find it's going to be stripped and everything checked there couldn't be a simpler engine for Andrew to learn on.
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Feb 27, 2021 20:19:45 GMT
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Today we pulled the engine and stripped it, results were unexpected. Firstly pulled the head, all came off easily enough, what we found was suprising. 1 piston was a different make to the rest, no2 had pitting up the back of the bore and they all had radial markings. Also it looks like the head gasket was leaking which might explain why it's been difficult to start lately. We then drained the oil to find it only had a litre in it, it was half way between min and max on the dipstick so that may explain the oil pressure issue, it has the wrong dipstick! Dropped the engine and box out which went easily enough. Then we pulled the flywheel and backplate of followed by the oil pump which looked perfect inside. Next up was the sump, which relealed this mess. Upon examining the bits we were suprised to find it was pulverised rubber rather than swarf and it was everywhere inside the engine. Pulled the front cover off to find even more, it was the back rubber ring of the timing wheel which had disentigrated. Then proceeded to remove the crank, appart from the big end bolts which were way too tight and rounded off it came appart easily enough, this revealed a pleasant suprise, the crank and all it's bearings look like new. So the conclusion is, oil pressure was probably a combination of low oil and bits of rubber but no damage seems to have been done. We do though need a re-bore, new pistons, the block and head skimmed and a new timing chain set (duplex). While we are in there Andrew is also thinking about a mg metro cam to support an eventual plan to add a hif44 su etc. Tomorrow I will mic up the crank to check it is definitely ok and then we will have to find a machine shop, the one I usually use closed last year when the owner died, any one any experience of Thurstons in Ongar or Robertsons in Colchester.
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Feb 28, 2021 19:46:23 GMT
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Measured up the crank, seems ok, the final confirmation will be with plastigauge but it seems within a thou of nominal.
Andrew's bought the Vizard book so god know's what he'll want to do next, he's also bought some traveller springs which he intends to remove a leaf from and some fork oil for the rear dampers good to see him enthusing about an old car though.
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Brilliant work. Make it look easy.
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We've got to put it back together yet!
It should be a great learning exercise for Andrew, he's currently doing an mechanical engineering degree which this year has lacked all practical lessons because of Covid so a bit of practical should back up the theory. He's brought a new old stock fast road cam for it (piper hr255, pretty mild one power band starts at 1500rpm) it will mean a new 2 bolt oil pump and the drive spider but they are easy enough to get and a new pump was on the cards anyway, to make sure of no problems and the best possible running engine we will clearance check the valves to pistons and measure the valve timing balance the rods and pistons etc, not strictly necessary but all good experience for him. We'll also have a go at cleaning the flow through the head up a bit, compared to the X flows I used to spend a lot of time on and even the SD1 RV8 it all looks a bit grim, valves almost completely shrouded by the combustion chamber rough ports and I have no idea what works best for the stupid siamesed ports hopefully Mr Vizard has a better idea!
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Engine block and head dropped off at machine shop, first thing the guy noticed was the odd piston was also a different compression ratio (7:1) van ilo the 8:1 car the other 3 were, with that Andrew has decided on a re-bore, block skimmed to clean up where the gasket leaking had damaged it, the head fitted with hardened exhaust seats, a 3 angle cut on the inlets and skimmed by 1.5 mm to give him a bit of room to improve the combustion chamber (basically remove some of the shrouding of the valves) plus the whole lot chemically cleaned. My wife has finally been given a date for her breast cancer operation on the 18th so we are now n full on sheilding mode (requirement from the hospital) so the last couple of days have been rushing around getting everything we can think we may need, locally my dad will go and get the engine parts back , we have the new cam, a cooper s oil pressure relief valve and a damped cast crank pulley, the rest will be ordered from ESM today. In the meantime since the weather has warmed up a bit I have started rubbing the front wing on the Lotus back, it's coming out OK with only a couple of areas needing further filling so far The whole front end (bonnet and rearward of the doors have been replaced) is bubbling but that will have to wait until later in the year, purpose of this is to get it looking tidy enough to use this summer.
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Last Edit: Mar 4, 2021 13:30:18 GMT by kevins
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Enjoy the ongoing sagas and fingers crossed for your wife's op.
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This arrived yesterday, it's over an inch thick, looks like our plans are pretty much in line with Vizards recomendations, we should hope to get somewhere close to 65hp eventually, doesen't sound much but it only weighs around 800kg so should go reasonably well. Hopefully we will get a chance to clean up the bits we are re-using tomorrow, and get the spare engine round to strip some hopefully not chewed up big end bolts out of. Won't be much else on cars for a few more days, I appear to have agreed to re-do the downstairs bog, tiles on plaster board walls mean gutting it and re-boarding the walls which is now done along with the new plumbing, probably start the tiling tomorrow.
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Last Edit: Mar 6, 2021 18:12:30 GMT by kevins
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eurogranada
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To tinker or not to tinker, that is the question...
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Sorry to hear about your wife... That is just plain dreadful. I hope her surgery will go well and any follow op will be manageable for her and your family. Seen that up close a couple of times too many...but I'm sure you and your family will support her no end!
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Thanks for the thoughts, doctor is confident of a good outcome, after 3 months all we really want is the opp over and done with. On the car front we got the spare minor engine out and put it on the stand. This is the first engine I bought which had got water in the crankcase rusting most of it. We pulled it to pieces, one piston took some persuading and most of the cam followers and little ends are tight but otherwise it was suprisingly servicable We are thinking of using this crank, the original one has a slight ridge on the centre main. You can just feel it but it's probably only a thou or 2. The one out of the rusty engine has no apparant wear at all there is some marking to the journals but it's only on the surface. Otherwise there is a bit of surface rust but nothing major.
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Last Edit: Mar 9, 2021 20:49:55 GMT by kevins
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Mar 14, 2021 17:45:28 GMT
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Measured the cranks with plastigauge and the best looking shells we had, the original has around 4 thou clearance and the second one around 2.5 thou, with new shells I reckon that should be fine.
Also cleaned up the block, sump covers etc and honed the bores from the second engine, plan is to put this back together with the best bits we have left over soak it all in chain oil and store it away so if needed it could be used at a later date with a mild re-fresh.
It will give Andrew a chance to practice before the real thing too, only thing I'm not sure about is wheather my ring compressor will go small enough, I'm sure I bought another smaller one but I can't find it anywhere.
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It will give Andrew a chance to practice before the real thing too, only thing I'm not sure about is wheather my ring compressor will go small enough, I'm sure I bought another smaller one but I can't find it anywhere. Only one way to find the old one, buy a new one!
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Mar 15, 2021 21:40:41 GMT
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The one I have seems to wind down small enough so no need to find the small one, one advantage of such a small engine is the pistons fit I'm my cheap ultrasonic cleaner.
No real time for cars today, between work I have been grouting the bog and re fitting the toilet, usual problems with parts, 1/2" bsp thread on inlet was actualy 1/2" and a bit, fortunately I had a set of pipe dies I bought from lidl or Aldi a few years ago when they were virtualy giving them away because nobody wanted them, even so what should have been a 10 minute job became a hour of faffing around.
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Last Edit: Mar 15, 2021 21:41:10 GMT by kevins
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Mar 23, 2021 18:47:58 GMT
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My wife had her operation last week which she is recovering well from, we will get the full biopsy results in a week but the surgeon was optomistic. This has meant little time for cars between looking after her, housework and working from home. We have though thrown the best of the left over minor engine parts together, suprisingly the rusty bores honed up well so with some new gaskets rings and a timing chain this could be a servicable engine, for now we will coat it with chain oil and store it away. Before I do that though it will be used to test fit the mx5 gearbox, should get a bit more time over the next week as I have 5 days holiday to use before the end of march.
On the others used the TR to go and get my jab at the weekend, with all the restrictions and weight from the LPG system removed it seems much quicker, might need some new back tyres soon! Only other problem has been the street ka, if it's left for more than a week or so the battery goes flat, its charging at 14.5 v even at idle, the drain is only 15ma, the battery though dropped from 12.7V yesterday to 12.3 this morning, it is an unbranded one which was on the car when we got it 3 years ago so we have splashed out on a new bosch one. (£50).
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Last Edit: Mar 24, 2021 21:48:51 GMT by kevins
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eurogranada
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Mar 24, 2021 15:12:04 GMT
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Good to hear your wife is doing well considering... Pamper her a bit! Fingers crossed on the biopsy results.
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Yeah fingers crossed for the wife. Sounds promising though I've never quite understood what causes electrical drains. I've got them on pretty much all my cars though and it's a pain in the backside!
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Mar 25, 2021 19:17:02 GMT
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Thanks ,
I checked the drain with the multimeter a few days ago, it was only 15ma, couldn't check it again though as it decided to lock it's self and blew the fuse in the multimeter.
It's got remote unlocking and factory alarm both of which draw a current when it's parked, problem with factory alarm is you can't easily remove it.
The old battery had dropped to 12.2v by the time I fitted a new one this afternoon, we've finished our sheilding isolation now so it will being used for work most days anyway.
Range rover did a big tip run this morning, performed perfectlty but oil pressure light still on at idle when it's hot (had to que for 30 mins) , once the minor is done I'll try changing the oil pump for a spare which I've dug out.
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Last Edit: Mar 25, 2021 19:38:09 GMT by kevins
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Mar 27, 2021 20:57:58 GMT
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Dug out a spare rover v8 front cover, pulled the pump off, it was lightly scored but a few minutes with some wet and dry on a sheet of glass got it to this. Still one small scratch but I don't think that will have any great effect. On the minor while the engine is out awaiting the return of the machined parts we had a go at trial fitting the mx5 gearbox today. Spare engine and box bolted together using the latest iteration of adaptor plate with the starter in the standard minor position. Lifted it up into the car, it fitted , clearance both sides Its going to need about 15mm trimmed off the transmission tunnel to clear the shifter mounting plate. It also hits the bolt in trans tunnel in several places, I will eventually cut the top out of this and weld a new one in The modified gearstick position isn't far out either again I'll get it perfectly central when we modify the tunnel. Had to cut a fair chunk out to clear the steering rack, plan is to make a steel cover to bolt in and restore some strength. So things left to do are: -Make cover for cut out in gearbox around steering rack -Make cover fof starter bendi cut out -drill starter mounting holes and remaining gearbox to backplate holes. -Make mounting for concentric slave cylinder -make gearbox mounting (standard x member moved about 9" rearwards) - get a propshaft made. - Modify gearbox tunnel. Sounds a lot but really only a series of simple tasks.
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Mar 29, 2021 21:07:33 GMT
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No real car progress, shiny new part for the minor did turn up though. Only problem is it has an extra hose connection on the bottom, thread measures up a m16 x1.5 (it was made in Germany) which is the same a bmw bike sump plug so one is on it's way. Might get some time to rub down the rest of the lotus tomorrow, can't really paint it until the minor is out of the way though. I think car work this summer will limited to small jobs and what is urgent, I have agreed to fit new doors (10 ft bifolds), windows and roof to the conservatory.
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