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Feb 23, 2021 20:06:37 GMT |
Had a look at it the minor at lunchtime, firstly rather than take the starter out I cut up a 1 inch socket and an old extension to make this. with that done it took a couple of minutes to get the relief valve out Everything looks ok and it slid in and out easily enough I scrubbed it up with a bit of scotchbrite and put it back together but it had no change. The oil pressure seems to fluctuate between 20psi and next to nothing even at a constant rpm and the oil light comes on as it dips towards zero which means I am pretty sure it's not the gauge. So I'm not mucking about anymore, its coming out, going to strip it and see what's what, the engine was a £100 ebay buy just to get it running for his prom 3 years ago and seems to have a good compression (consistent 150psi) so hopefully the pistons and head are OK and we will get away with bearings, an oil pump and timing chain (it rattles) even if the crank's worn it's only £140 for a reground crank and all the bearings. Don't want to go mad on it because when he has a couple of years driving under his belt he wants to fit a warmed up 1275 or even a suzuki engine and box.
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Feb 24, 2021 13:16:27 GMT |
Interesting suggestion from the minor forum that others have seen is a miss assemled or leaking oil pump gasket effectively linking the inlet and outlet, if only it has a sensible in sump or accessabl oil pump but seeing as it is on the rear of the block behind the flywheel the engines coming out on saturday anyway, whatever we find it's going to be stripped and everything checked there couldn't be a simpler engine for Andrew to learn on.
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Feb 27, 2021 20:19:45 GMT |
Today we pulled the engine and stripped it, results were unexpected. Firstly pulled the head, all came off easily enough, what we found was suprising. 1 piston was a different make to the rest, no2 had pitting up the back of the bore and they all had radial markings. Also it looks like the head gasket was leaking which might explain why it's been difficult to start lately. We then drained the oil to find it only had a litre in it, it was half way between min and max on the dipstick so that may explain the oil pressure issue, it has the wrong dipstick! Dropped the engine and box out which went easily enough. Then we pulled the flywheel and backplate of followed by the oil pump which looked perfect inside. Next up was the sump, which relealed this mess. Upon examining the bits we were suprised to find it was pulverised rubber rather than swarf and it was everywhere inside the engine. Pulled the front cover off to find even more, it was the back rubber ring of the timing wheel which had disentigrated. Then proceeded to remove the crank, appart from the big end bolts which were way too tight and rounded off it came appart easily enough, this revealed a pleasant suprise, the crank and all it's bearings look like new. So the conclusion is, oil pressure was probably a combination of low oil and bits of rubber but no damage seems to have been done. We do though need a re-bore, new pistons, the block and head skimmed and a new timing chain set (duplex). While we are in there Andrew is also thinking about a mg metro cam to support an eventual plan to add a hif44 su etc. Tomorrow I will mic up the crank to check it is definitely ok and then we will have to find a machine shop, the one I usually use closed last year when the owner died, any one any experience of Thurstons in Ongar or Robertsons in Colchester.
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Feb 28, 2021 19:46:23 GMT |
Measured up the crank, seems ok, the final confirmation will be with plastigauge but it seems within a thou of nominal.
Andrew's bought the Vizard book so god know's what he'll want to do next, he's also bought some traveller springs which he intends to remove a leaf from and some fork oil for the rear dampers good to see him enthusing about an old car though.
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Brilliant work. Make it look easy.
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1962 Morris minor (sold) 1985 BMW 323i 2door
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We've got to put it back together yet!
It should be a great learning exercise for Andrew, he's currently doing an mechanical engineering degree which this year has lacked all practical lessons because of Covid so a bit of practical should back up the theory. He's brought a new old stock fast road cam for it (piper hr255, pretty mild one power band starts at 1500rpm) it will mean a new 2 bolt oil pump and the drive spider but they are easy enough to get and a new pump was on the cards anyway, to make sure of no problems and the best possible running engine we will clearance check the valves to pistons and measure the valve timing balance the rods and pistons etc, not strictly necessary but all good experience for him. We'll also have a go at cleaning the flow through the head up a bit, compared to the X flows I used to spend a lot of time on and even the SD1 RV8 it all looks a bit grim, valves almost completely shrouded by the combustion chamber rough ports and I have no idea what works best for the stupid siamesed ports hopefully Mr Vizard has a better idea!
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Engine block and head dropped off at machine shop, first thing the guy noticed was the odd piston was also a different compression ratio (7:1) van ilo the 8:1 car the other 3 were, with that Andrew has decided on a re-bore, block skimmed to clean up where the gasket leaking had damaged it, the head fitted with hardened exhaust seats, a 3 angle cut on the inlets and skimmed by 1.5 mm to give him a bit of room to improve the combustion chamber (basically remove some of the shrouding of the valves) plus the whole lot chemically cleaned. My wife has finally been given a date for her breast cancer operation on the 18th so we are now n full on sheilding mode (requirement from the hospital) so the last couple of days have been rushing around getting everything we can think we may need, locally my dad will go and get the engine parts back , we have the new cam, a cooper s oil pressure relief valve and a damped cast crank pulley, the rest will be ordered from ESM today. In the meantime since the weather has warmed up a bit I have started rubbing the front wing on the Lotus back, it's coming out OK with only a couple of areas needing further filling so far  The whole front end (bonnet and rearward of the doors have been replaced) is bubbling but that will have to wait until later in the year, purpose of this is to get it looking tidy enough to use this summer.
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Last Edit: Mar 4, 2021 13:30:18 GMT by kevins
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Enjoy the ongoing sagas and fingers crossed for your wife's op.
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This arrived yesterday, it's over an inch thick, looks like our plans are pretty much in line with Vizards recomendations, we should hope to get somewhere close to 65hp eventually, doesen't sound much but it only weighs around 800kg so should go reasonably well. Hopefully we will get a chance to clean up the bits we are re-using tomorrow, and get the spare engine round to strip some hopefully not chewed up big end bolts out of. Won't be much else on cars for a few more days, I appear to have agreed to re-do the downstairs bog, tiles on plaster board walls mean gutting it and re-boarding the walls which is now done along with the new plumbing, probably start the tiling tomorrow. 
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Last Edit: Mar 6, 2021 18:12:30 GMT by kevins
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