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Dec 15, 2006 15:33:58 GMT
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We've done the safety thing before, this speed campaign is pretty scary and slaughters a load of Sierra estates, and dummys!  So show us yours crashing, if ya can find em... And watch out for the slipperys out there this winter.  |
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Dec 15, 2006 15:41:17 GMT
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Sh1t - that's quite disturbing...I would have thought the damage at 70 would have reflected a speed of 50! And at 90...  |
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Dec 15, 2006 15:41:59 GMT
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts |
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The sudden stop!BenzBoy
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Dec 15, 2006 15:51:12 GMT
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Yeow! Was it wrong that I was retro-spotting during that 1st vid?! I got... Volvo 240, Opel Kadett, Saab 900, Mk2 Astra estate, Mk3 Golf and 3 very unfortunate Sierra Estates.
I'm guessing the speeds were in km/h. So... hit a tree at 90kmh and your head will come off like the dummy's did. Pretty shocking!
Even without understanding a word of Scandinavianish it's clear what they were saying... hitting a tree is far worse than hitting a lamp post.
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Dec 15, 2006 15:53:49 GMT
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remember those are speeds in KM/H not MPH! the first one is a 30 MPH impact!!! The 90 KM/H one that destroys the roof is less than 60 MPH! (100 KM/H = 62 MPH)
Imagine what a crash at 70 MPH would do to it then!!!
I remember back in the 80s coming acrtoss some crash test and injury statistic data when I did work experiance at a Univeristy transport lab. The Sierra was one of the worst current production cars for frontal impacts. Sorry Reanimation! They were classed the same as the Reliant Robin and Nissan Micra - IIRC the 2CV, Austin Allego and Mini both did far better in front end impacts than the Sierra did...
I don't think the frontal occupants would have walked away from any of those impacts. Ask yourself where the engine has gone... OUCH!
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LowStandards
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Dec 15, 2006 15:57:01 GMT
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Do a search for Smart Car crashes (i don't have time, i'm off home)
There great, the metal cage is just that, a really thick roll cage. there's a vid of one hitting an old Merc 500SEL and the Merc folds like paper and the cage of the Smart is still in perfect nick! The plastics don't fair up as well mind...
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Dec 15, 2006 15:57:25 GMT
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Sheesh! That is worrying in perspective, and MPH! A good roll cage is already planned, but what can stop the engine coming to get us?! |
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The sudden stop!Mike D
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Dec 15, 2006 15:59:41 GMT
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this was a sudden stop at 40mph ish into the side of a peugeot 306..  rip little car  |
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Dec 15, 2006 16:03:21 GMT
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Nothing can really be done about the engine itself. The engine is a block of solid cast iron! The front chassis is weak and folds back - the engine would only rip of its mounts anyweay if it didn't.
A cage will not help you in a front end smash like that it will only mean there is more mangled metal coming at you and crushing you. The floor is folding up in the 50 KM/H shot... the cage will be spreading deformity across the car or ripping out of the floor. The biggest net result will be that the fire bridage have a harder time cutting you out of the wreckage...
I'm not a fan of cages in street cars.
You could try reinforce the bulkhead and front chassis rails. The thing is this will just pass the forces of the impact into other parts of the car not designed to take them, possibly causig it to breakup or deform even worse.
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Last Edit: Dec 15, 2006 16:04:20 GMT by akku
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The sudden stop!BenzBoy
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Dec 15, 2006 16:06:51 GMT
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Do a search for Smart Car crashes (i don't have time, i'm off home) There great, the metal cage is just that, a really thick roll cage. there's a vid of one hitting an old Merc 500SEL and the Merc folds like paper and the cage of the Smart is still in perfect nick! The plastics don't fair up as well mind... This one? I'd sooner be in the Merc to be honest. The passenger cell of both cars were intact, it's just that the big Benz front end folded to absorb the energy. The energy went into bouncing the Smart all over the road as there isn't any room for a big crumple zone. It's pretty impressive how the Smart gets around the crumple-zone problems, with the safety cage and all! |
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Dec 15, 2006 16:11:40 GMT
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Very chilling watching the 70, then when the 90 came up I actually felt a bit sick... Wheres your kill switch?  |
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Dec 15, 2006 16:14:09 GMT
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I am actually quite worried, that will teach me to think that big cars are safer!
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts |
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The sudden stop!BenzBoy
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Dec 15, 2006 16:19:42 GMT
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I think if you hit an immovable object in any car at that speed, new or retro, you're gonna be screwed. Hitting street furniture is better as they're designed to fold / break when hit. But trees are pretty much solid!
It is pretty scary. Seeing the steering wheel come up into that dummy's face was quite chilling.
All very sobering given that a lot of people will be driving places over the festive season. Take care out there guys and girls!
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Dec 15, 2006 16:44:12 GMT
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It's the worst feeling as a copper - turning up when a car hits anything to be honest...... WEAR YOUR BELTS - we picked one guys g/friend off the road after he hit the traffic light post... looked relatively unmarked at first - but had broken her neck so was a goner......  I was disciplined for going for him - a drink driver..... The RAF copper who dealt with that went off to Germany - and a guy lost his 205gti at the end of the runway while doin a 'speed run'. Found his head 40m from the car! The copper was in therapy for months!  I was hit at low speed last night by a drunk driver in Brussels..... of course he's blaming the 'bloody foreigner'.  - still - I know where he lives!  |
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Back from the dead..... kind of
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Dec 15, 2006 17:08:01 GMT
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found my daily driver
not as informative as the sierra one
but as other people have said, hit a tree and you'll be lucky to escape with your life, they don't snap like lampposts.
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Someone just shot the elephant in the room. |
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Dec 15, 2006 17:12:38 GMT
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2CVs are surprisingly sturdy in a crash. Nothing will save you if this happens though...
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Dec 15, 2006 17:23:08 GMT
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Seen that 2cv truck test on here before, that IS chilling! Gtvsavior, I can fully understand why the police get pi$$ed off with drivers not at least doing the obvious safety precautions. My Sis's BF has a habbit of forgetting his seat belt  tell him time and time again, he's already crashed beltless once!  And do people belt up in the back I insist usually if its my car, people don't care, taxi's especially, and as for kids in the back Grrr! |
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The sudden stop!BenzBoy
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Dec 15, 2006 17:55:03 GMT
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And do people belt up in the back I insist usually if its my car, people don't care, taxi's especially, and as for kids in the back Grrr! Yeah, I usually tell them I don't give a sh*t if they fly through the windscreen, but they'll snap my neck on their way past. That said, my car has no rear belts |
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The sudden stop!tigran
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Dec 15, 2006 18:19:48 GMT
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Do a search for Smart Car crashes (i don't have time, i'm off home) There great, the metal cage is just that, a really thick roll cage. there's a vid of one hitting an old Merc 500SEL and the Merc folds like paper and the cage of the Smart is still in perfect nick! The plastics don't fair up as well mind... To be fair the passengers would get severly boned in a crash like that as they would effectively be taking the energy that a crumple zone would usually absorb. *makes note not to drive into trees* *makes second note not to drive smart cars* |
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Dec 15, 2006 18:49:22 GMT
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I was disciplined for going for him - a drink driver..... 
- still - I know where he lives! 
tell him time and time again, he's already crashed beltless once! 
