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As already mentioned, I'd prefer to see the rolling 25yr tax exemption come back into force. It's much 'safer' but the government would lose out on this income big style. Maybe introduce rolling tax exemption for 40+ yrs instead of 25yrs? VED needs to be abolished period. The revenue stream from it doesn't even cover the running of the department, once you factor in the discs, all the correspondance, the chasing of non-taxed/SORNd cars, the fleet of tax checking and recovery vehicles, plus all of the personnel required to run/operate/type/post all of the above. The sooner the Government realises the coffers would be better off without it, and every family would be at least a couple of hundred quid richer each year, the better.
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Col, they have been trying to shut the LOs for years as they were a drain on resources and now that DVLA are 'self funding' they can nolonger o it for free. Hence LOs will be gne by next year so even more profit on VED.
Likewise it's currently going through that you only have to declare SORN once and it'll last 'til car comes back on road. It's made rather obsolete by the CIE ( Continuous Insurance Enforcement) now anyway.
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Dez
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If you read the registration transfer rules, you cannot currently transfer a VRM from a vehicle which is MoT exempt..... this is why commercials and tractors tend to still be carrying the original number, where 90% of the pre 63 cars have been replated already. this is my major concern- does that mean in going to 'loose' two of my 'personal' 6 digit plate cos they're on cars that will become MOT exempt? i can see the rich boy bugatti owners and the like kicking up a real sh1tstorm if they end up 'loosing' the £15K 'personal' plates off their cars.
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May 22, 2012 10:15:31 GMT
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If you read the registration transfer rules, you cannot currently transfer a VRM from a vehicle which is MoT exempt..... this is why commercials and tractors tend to still be carrying the original number, where 90% of the pre 63 cars have been replated already. this is my major concern- does that mean in going to 'loose' two of my 'personal' 6 digit plate cos they're on cars that will become MOT exempt? I can see the rich boy bugatti owners and the like kicking up a real sh1tstorm if they end up 'loosing' the £15K 'personal' plates off their cars. Surely this is to stop transfers from rusty, unroadworthy sheds (hence the current need for an MOT)? As the MOT is voluntary, if a pre '60 has an MOT then it may well be the case that the plate transfer regs are as normal.
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Last Edit: May 22, 2012 10:16:01 GMT by Paul H
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Dez
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May 22, 2012 10:19:27 GMT
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but paul, all currently MOT exempt vehicles have non-transferrable plates.(with the exception of those under 3 yrs old). as in pre-1960 commercials as SOC points out. so whats gunna happen when all pre-1960 cars and bikes automatically become exempt? will the plates suddenly become tied to the cars? or, will it be as you say and you can transfer it if you obtain an MOT on the car.
given that pre-1960 cars are where all 6 digit or less non-suffixed/prfixed plates come from in the first place,(which lets face it, are the plates that are actually worth money). I think its something theyve totally failed to consider.
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Last Edit: May 22, 2012 10:22:59 GMT by Dez
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May 22, 2012 10:56:41 GMT
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Well lets say I had a pre-60 car and paid £*** for a private plate that means something to me. Each time, i transfer it to my newly purchased car (of any age).
What happens if this car becomes MOT exempt, can I no longer change my plate onto another car when I want to sell it and buy a new one? Will it be allowed to be removed as it's not the original plate i'm transferring?
Or if I buy a car after the MOT exemption, and put my private plate on it, I understand I cant then reissue the old (original) plate, but what happens to my own one then as it is then issued to a car that falls into this new exemption classification.
It's a massively grey area...
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Dez
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May 22, 2012 10:59:21 GMT
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^^exactly^^
theres a private plate ive been eyeing up recently, what i would consider to be a really, really good one (4 digit) for the price. but i wont spend £3k on it if I'm going to potentially 'loose' it by transferring it to my car!
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May 22, 2012 11:32:17 GMT
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I mean those questions shoud be fairly easy to answer if asking the right people. But it doesnt change that I think, people will die as a result of this legislation coming into force.
I hate to bang on about it but i'm surprising myself how one sided I am in this.
-People might claim a car is good condition but to be honest, it's just claimed so it sells better and you maximise your profit and really, it's a dog. -Said buyer might have limited knowledge and be driving a death trap around -I don't see many 60+ yr olds getting down on their hands and knees to check play in ball joints of their 19** cars or the inner edge of tyres for cord/inner tube exposure etc etc. -I don't see many average people doing this either tbh! -You might keep it clean and change the oil, but really, how many of us would do a full, MOT equivelent, check of our car for peace of mind if we werent made to? Some will say yes, most will try, some will purposely not. -So you use your car each summer for 3-4 car shows or a couple really nice weekends. It's not worth the trip to the MOT each year just to tax it. You welcome the legislation. I would too, but really, is there going to be that odd time when you think, 'I havent checked ALL my bushes and brake lines, sills etc this year, oh it'll be fine for tomorrow I'll check when it's home before the next outing'. I don't want to be the one killing someone who rolls through a set of red lights into a car with NIL crumple zone or protection (if even a seat belt).
I am somewhat suspicious this will put pressure on government to limit the use of older cars (and not offer the daily driver versions an alternative) and paint all owners in a poor light for driving death traps. Especially when the press get hold of a couple of stories.
My aologies. I just feel it's a risk people will take and in the long run give owners more problems.
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Last Edit: May 22, 2012 11:33:44 GMT by con2k
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May 22, 2012 12:50:13 GMT
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Ok, well here's a CrAzY idea!
Rather than MOT exempt, why not have a FREE MOT for pre 60!?!
Holly sh!t I think I should run for priminster dictator of the uk!
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Last Edit: May 22, 2012 12:50:50 GMT by cairyhunt
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May 22, 2012 13:13:47 GMT
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^ only problem with that is finding someone prepared to do almost an hour of specialist, trained work with expensive equipment WITHOUT GETTING PAID!
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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May 22, 2012 13:22:32 GMT
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I thought about that but no one is going to take on atleast an hours labour of a free job if they can do chargable work instead. They'll just refuse to test it.
I also thought about doing the inspections and claiming the money back but that'll cost the government even more of 'their' money.
I'm sure businesses will do £30 pre-60 'inspections' for peace of mind or something along those lines.
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May 22, 2012 17:13:53 GMT
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I'm sure businesses will do £30 pre-60 'inspections' for peace of mind or something along those lines. Ok, that might be a better idea. I'd do that, a non compulsory mini mot with the benefits of cheaper insurance.
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May 22, 2012 17:16:31 GMT
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Its a nice idea, but there will still be plenty of people that wont boter, simply because they wont have too. Rat-look might end up over developed too.
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May 22, 2012 17:40:32 GMT
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Terrible idea, I work on 1920s to 1960s vehicles every day (Rolls and Bentleys ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) ) Now many of the owners will happily pay what ever to keep their car in tip top condition, No Mot will not effect these owners. I suspect they will still get their yearly servicing done, so as always we can look after their cars and keep them safe. But there is a selection of old boy types who as they only do a few hundred miles a year don't see why getting new tyres because their old ones are cracked to hell. Or getting the wheel cylinders done because the brakes still work ok - despite the leak on one side, is that important!> the mot is the only reason we can get some of these old boys to spend any money keeping their cars safe, with out it we wont see these cars until they pack up completely or worse have an accident.
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Last Edit: May 22, 2012 17:43:12 GMT by RetroMat
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May 22, 2012 19:00:03 GMT
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My mate works on classic cars and most of his bread and butter work is around MOT time.
The other thing is if you were an insurance company would you want to insure a car that needed no certificate of road worthiness? probably not unless the premium covered it
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May 22, 2012 21:02:44 GMT
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Terrible idea, I work on 1920s to 1960s vehicles every day (Rolls and Bentleys ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) ) Now many of the owners will happily pay what ever to keep their car in tip top condition, No Mot will not effect these owners. I suspect they will still get their yearly servicing done, so as always we can look after their cars and keep them safe. But there is a selection of old boy types who as they only do a few hundred miles a year don't see why getting new tyres because their old ones are cracked to hell. Or getting the wheel cylinders done because the brakes still work ok - despite the leak on one side, is that important!> the mot is the only reason we can get some of these old boys to spend any money keeping their cars safe, with out it we wont see these cars until they pack up completely or worse have an accident. A lot of wedding car hire places will love it at least, i see some right ropey plopped up sheds that are wedding hire cars, mainly daimlers and rollers ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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May 22, 2012 22:29:42 GMT
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What happens as well, if you take a pre 1960 car for a voluntary MOT and it fails? Are you obliged to rectify the faults? Or run a death trap as after all, there is no requirement for an MOT ...
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I can just see it now that I'm going to get pulled over often with my car once I get it road-worthy being a young lad in a car with a few modifications made before 1960 which is going to keep its paint job despite being bad quality.... any copper at the side of the road will want to pull me over to see if it is road worthy, I know I would looking at it. And with some of the coppers around here they will then decide to go round my car until they find something they 'can' charge me on which I will then have to prove is legal..... Yay for hassle on the road.....
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Somewhat selfishly, I don't really care because I'm unlikely to be running a pre-60 car in the foreseeable.
However, what would bother me, is if they upped it to '65 in a couple of years. Then '70, then maybe started 'rolling' it yearly. That would suck beyond belief. Not sure how likely that is, but it wouldn't surprise me at all.
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I can just see it now that I'm going to get pulled over often with my car once I get it road-worthy being a young lad in a car with a few modifications made before 1960 which is going to keep its paint job despite being bad quality.... any copper at the side of the road will want to pull me over to see if it is road worthy, I know I would looking at it. And with some of the coppers around here they will then decide to go round my car until they find something they 'can' charge me on which I will then have to prove is legal..... Yay for hassle on the road..... Can't see many wanting to get out of there nice comfy car unless the ANPR machine goes bong! Lets face it if its legal its legal, its going to be your age and a vehicle with obvious modifications that gets you pulled rather than it being pre '60, can't see you getting any more or less hassle with or without an MOT
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