Dez
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And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
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May 21, 2012 15:33:20 GMT
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if you crunch the numbers, they're not actually loosing much money on it, so I guess its a kinda 'look what were doing, arent we nice' bullsh1t law, which makes them fll in line with existing EU legislation, pus gives them one more hit on the 'reducing unnecessary legislation' quota they're so hot on at the minute.
the amount of pre-1960 vehicles registered with the DVLA is 207,338. but thats not the whole story. 45,343 of those are already MOT exempt anyway. so its only actually 161,995 vehicles they're letting through. sounds a lot, but theres 35.2 million licencsed vehciles on the road in the uk (apparently), so that like 0.6%. they're not loosing their precious road fund licence, as they're already tax exempt. its only their MOT fee comission theyll loose, and seeing as the amount of vehicles on uk roads has incresed by more than 200,000 each year for the past 20 years, on the whole, its nothing to them.
as for accidents, there was around 278,000 RTAs in the uk last year. pre 1960 vehicles were involved in (thats involved, not caused) 94. again, a p1ss in the ocean.
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Last Edit: May 21, 2012 15:35:07 GMT by Dez
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May 21, 2012 15:56:20 GMT
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what if insurers insist on an mot and vosa take over pre-1960 MOTs?
that would be fun
pre-1960 goods vehicle is the way to go
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Last Edit: May 21, 2012 15:56:45 GMT by Autofive
Someone just shot the elephant in the room.
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May 21, 2012 16:03:31 GMT
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I suppose this is the wrong place to say that i`m planning on making my pre-60 Rekord Olympia my daily driver because then i don't have to worry about when my next EU test is? ;D
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May 21, 2012 16:09:27 GMT
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Incidentally, pOG - I very much enjoyed your fusion of 'meh' with an exclamation mark in the poll options. That's some furious apathy right there ;D
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MrSpeedy
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May 21, 2012 16:13:30 GMT
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pre-1960 goods vehicle is the way to go My old man has a 1956 Morris Commercial 4ton which hasn't turned a wheel for the last 5 years, but has been kept at our yard with an up to date tax disc and insurance continuously during his ownership. Mainly because we are of the opinion that it is easier to do this than lay it up SORN and then findwe have a battle with the Doovla to get it back on the road
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May 21, 2012 16:19:49 GMT
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So, yet again, they work on a 'manufatured by' date rather than a 'designed by' date. So a 1959 Triumph Herald (for example) would be exempt and a 1961 (Identical) would not? Same applies to Landrovers, Minis, VW Beetles etc etc. How does that make sense? well it's good enough for RR, as it is pretty much how the mundane cars for sale section operates ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png)
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ummm....what was I doing again???
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May 21, 2012 17:30:47 GMT
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first thought was "so an increase in ringing/tampering to make a car pre '60"
second thought was. obviously it has to be in a decent condition or you're in bother but my guess is that mr plod wont be able to see the massive hole by the drivers feet whilst sitting in his patrol car :/ or any similar "hidden" defects. and with cutbacks etc. I'm guessing they arent going to be overly fussed about pulling over a pre 1960 car that "looks" roadworthy.
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whoever said dogs were man's best friend....obviously never heard of cable ties
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May 21, 2012 18:01:31 GMT
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It's an interesting decision to take, but not the one I had hoped for. Like many other people, since I own a couple of 25+ year old cars, I'd far rather see the rolling tax exemption come back than not have to MoT a pre-60 car.
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May 21, 2012 18:26:29 GMT
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It's an interesting decision to take, but not the one I had hoped for. Like many other people, since I own a couple of 25+ year old cars, I'd far rather see the rolling tax exemption come back than not have to MoT a pre-60 car. True, but the government would lose more money with that, which is why it will never be reintroduced
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"You think you hate it now, wait til you drive it"
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May 21, 2012 18:36:52 GMT
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i think this is just the start of things, remember this is too bring us inline with the eu, restricted use etc spring to mind.
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May 21, 2012 18:44:24 GMT
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I bet there is a glut of registrations come onto the market from pre-1960 cars now then... Haven't read the rest of the thread, this was my first thought too. Just means the vast majority of ringing kits will be put back 13 years. I've got a bad feeling about this... Though, I will eat humble pie if it all goes smoothly.
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May 21, 2012 18:51:51 GMT
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Overhere cars build before 1 januari 1960 are MoT exempt AFTER their first MoT after januari this year. So it's not like you can pull a rotter from the shed and drive it, it has to be in decent condition first, to pass it's last MoT. What happens to it after that, remains a mystery ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) True, but we all know how quickly a perfectly usable classic car can deteriorate as little as 6 months after an mot, so even if the car is in very good condition for its very last mot, with a bit of neglect it could be a deathtrap a year down the line, and there will be no mot to make sure its safe to use. I can see more police stop checks happening in the future, and it wont be the boy racers they are stopping, but the classic car brigade.
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1993 Fiat Panda Selecta 2003 Vauxhall Combo 1.7DI van 2006 Mercedes Kompressor Evolution-S AMG SportCoupé
"You think you hate it now, wait til you drive it"
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May 21, 2012 19:00:35 GMT
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I wonder how much the potential VAT revenue on these reg transfers is versus what the govt currently makes on MoT's for pre-60's... ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png) Now theres a point...
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chevazon
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May 21, 2012 19:06:42 GMT
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Buy this, no need for an mot, tax is free, and all you need is insurance. ![](http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/$(KGrHqRHJDgE-VPE4YobBPsVeVMowg~~60_12.JPG) Yep I wouldnt and neither would you, but some people would be stupid enough. Wouldn`t you ?
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May 21, 2012 19:10:09 GMT
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If you read the registration transfer rules, you cannot currently transfer a VRM from a vehicle which is MoT exempt..... this is why commercials and tractors tend to still be carrying the original number, where 90% of the pre 63 cars have been replated already.
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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May 21, 2012 20:14:54 GMT
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If you read the registration transfer rules, you cannot currently transfer a VRM from a vehicle which is MoT exempt..... this is why commercials and tractors tend to still be carrying the original number, where 90% of the pre 63 cars have been replated already. Learn something new everyday. Fair enough.
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May 21, 2012 20:54:23 GMT
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Oh look, a flurry of worry' AFTER the event . It's not like we haven't kept everyone informed about this over at ACE ( www.the-ace.org.uk ) or said to everyone to have your input into the consultation yet still many didn't realise it was happening ? Or maybe these are the ones that said " I'll worry about it IF it ever happens "? Right now FIVA are still pushing ahead with trying to get an across EU standard for Historic vehicles which will be STANDARD only . Yup, all details ove at ACE , many have contacte their MPs and MEPs but most will be shellshocked as many on here when it actually happens. I'm starting to sound like Norm here but we all need to get proactive or get legislated out of existence. As we keep saying it WON'T be a single piece of legislation ,a dagger to the heart ' but slowly by little bits like this that open the path to further problems, death by a thousand cuts without anyone realising it. Look at the ACE site and see how many classic clubs DIDN'T want this to happen yet they were ignored .
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Last Edit: May 21, 2012 21:02:07 GMT by kapri
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May 21, 2012 21:24:20 GMT
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Couldn't be arsed to read the first 3 pages, but I definitely blame Top Gear. Definitely.
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May 21, 2012 21:27:58 GMT
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I don't like the sound of this one little bit. Whilst most classic car owners of pre 60 cars are enthusiasts and do care for their cars, others are not and will see any way to save afew pennies until something breaks. Saying that, it goes the same for owners of cars of any age. I just cant see any sence in it at all.
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I have to admit this is the response I was hoping for. The people passionate about their cars want an MOT, to prove it's legal and safe. The people who have no morals will import or buy a pre '60 shed and start using it/sell it and there is a good chance, one of these will end up killing someone. I culdnt live with myself knowing my unroadworthy car caused the death of someone, even if I had sold it.
Another point to mention is some smaller MOT centres. Will the reduction in cars passing through their doors result in less profits and further down the line the closure of smaller private/specialist garages who have years of experience but now no yearly business.
As already mentioned, I'd prefer to see the rolling 25yr tax exemption come back into force. It's much 'safer' but the government would lose out on this income big style. Maybe introduce rolling tax exemption for 40+ yrs instead of 25yrs?
Will this pre-60 exemption on Nov 18th be rolling each year/decade?
Can someone with a failed MOT just wait until november? This is awful planning!
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