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Feb 11, 2019 14:48:59 GMT
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..how they can get under your skin. I've got few cars at the moment that are slowly being attacked by the dreaded rust. I'm absolutely gutted about it because on one of them it's now at the point where I can't ignore it any longer. This is a car I've had for 10 years and was a real lucky find. It's fast, great for long distance Euro hoons, reliable, subtle enough to be ignored by most but sadly not worth an enourmous amount either. I've upgraded or replaced numerous parts over the years whilst being scrupulous with maintenance. But rust. Welding. Body work. That's not something I can deal with. And the quotes I'm getting back are just massive. Sorry for the rant RR but it's just gutting. Even with a decent budget set aside for it the amount needed to get its body perfect again is just too much. I'm at a complete loss as to where to go from here..
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Ritchie
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Feb 11, 2019 15:32:06 GMT
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Break it, don’t throw good money after bad. As soon as the rot has a hold it’s a nightmare. I sold an E39 M5 a few years ago that I had spent a fortune on, including a 4K!! respray but the rust was back within a year. It’s wibblepoo but not much you can do about it. I learned then, that if it’s a car you love and really want to keep you need to nip any rust in the bud right away and keep on top of it. If you don’t it just becomes uneconomical.
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melle
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Feb 11, 2019 16:09:29 GMT
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sadly not worth an enourmous amount either. This is something I never understand, I'm glad my cars don't have much monetary value. I'm at a complete loss as to where to go from here.. Buy a grinder and a welder and get stuck in. Is it the Saab 900 in your profile pic?
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Feb 11, 2019 16:19:59 GMT
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Ritchie, wise words. Not what I want to hear but I'm sure you're right!
Melle, no. It's my Saab 9000 Aero. The 900 had a bare shell tespray a few years back.
Just can't get my head around parting it out. They're such rare cars now too and so well engineered.
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Feb 11, 2019 19:33:06 GMT
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I know this probably isn't of any help but...
I totally get where you're coming from. I LOVE my MK1 mx5. To the point where the winter cars I purchased to preserve the Mx broke and got sold and I ended up back in it.
It's super reliable, fun to drive, ace in winter but I know the rust will need tending to soon. It's only a rear quarter and a couple of bubbles but rust is like pringles, once you pop it just don't stop.
I recently gave up my job to become a student so I know I won't be able to afford to get the car where I want.
I've been there with crappy German stuff for years, J tin ain't gunna be much better.
All I can say is, from experience, if you know that it's not gunna be achievable and money isnt never ending don't do it dude. Not being a pessimist whatsoever just don't bust yourself on a rotter, get something you like instead.
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Ritchie
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Feb 11, 2019 19:36:21 GMT
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I have a thread on here about my Subaru brat project. I went as far as giving up on the UK car and importing a rust free one from the states. Cheaper and a much better solution in the long run, might be worth thinking about?
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Feb 11, 2019 21:22:03 GMT
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I know this probably isn't of any help but... I totally get where you're coming from. I LOVE my MK1 mx5. To the point where the winter cars I purchased to preserve the Mx broke and got sold and I ended up back in it. It's super reliable, fun to drive, ace in winter but I know the rust will need tending to soon. It's only a rear quarter and a couple of bubbles but rust is like pringles, once you pop it just don't stop. I recently gave up my job to become a student so I know I won't be able to afford to get the car where I want. I've been there with crappy German stuff for years, J tin ain't gunna be much better. All I can say is, from experience, if you know that it's not gunna be achievable and money isnt never ending don't do it dude. Not being a pessimist whatsoever just don't bust yourself on a rotter, get something you like instead.
Thats the thing - I love the way it goes. I use it daily through out winter and it absolutely flies. I had an opportunity to accelerate and brake hard twice on the way home tonight and it's just brilliant fun.
Have been looking at what I can replace it with and I'm really struggling to see anything I like that ticks the boxes it does. An RS4, c63 or M5 would be the obvious step up but I'd gain in performance I'd lose in economy.
I'd ideally like something subtle, with over 300hp, that has a big boot and can easily do 30+ mpg. And I just don't love any of the more modern stuff (hence why I'm here!)
Ritchie - Loved your Brat thread and felt your excitement the day you taxed it for the first time!
I think maybe you could be on to something with the US import idea. Sure it couldn't be too hard to swap it over to RHD.
That said - if I were going to go to those lengths then I might as well just seek out one of the 500hp 9000s that are roaming around and have been wrapped in cotton wool.
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skinnylew
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Feb 11, 2019 22:44:09 GMT
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If you have the space i would keep it. I have managed to keep hold of my first car, mk3 fiesta, and it needs at least 1 rear arch, which i have purchased but have the skill to weld yet. At some point i will be confident enough to make the repair and install the other upgrades i have been slowly buying (XR2i suspension etc). The point is if there not worth anything then money is irrelevant, they are worth more sentimentally. If storage is easy and dry, wrap it up and return to it in a different season of life when you have time to learn to weld etc. Welding is an art but you can learn to weld to a reasonable standard with a bit of time patience and effort.
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Feb 12, 2019 19:26:27 GMT
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My names stew and I hate rust as well. ,!!!
I have a garage and although it's small it's still useable I have a welder I have all the other tools needed And I can do the work
BUT I can't stand it I'm happy to do any mechanical work regardless of how involved it is If I buy a car I feel I'm going to keep the first thing I do is waxoil it to help prevent any more rust Then the next best thing to do is to sort any current rust as soon as possible it helps in the long term Two or three small job are less daunting than a full on restoration
In your current position I guess you only have 3 options Sell it Break it Fix it
It's a shame all the cars we like so much are old and therefore prone to rust I feel your pain
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melle
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Feb 12, 2019 19:38:37 GMT
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To be honest, I think this is a first world problem...
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Last Edit: Feb 13, 2019 6:41:56 GMT by rblote
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To be honest, I think this is a first world problem... I think it's a first weld problem. You don't want rid of the car, so keep it. Then either get a replacement shell and build one awesome one out of the two, or buy a welder and learn how to weld. If you balls it up, cut it out and do it again. My dad had a '73 VW Squareback that someone had learned to weld on - they started at the front and worked backwards, and by the time they got to the back they were so much better that they redid the front again. He had that 20 years ago and its still going now!
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jonk
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Feb 13, 2019 17:01:55 GMT
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But what could you buy for the same money as it would cost to you to have the work done and end up with your ideal car in great condition? In this situation I just look at the next new car that goes past and remember what they've paid / are paying for it. I find it helps!
That said, I have sold cars before because I didn't want to commit to spending lots on them. It can get a bit ridiculous.
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Feb 13, 2019 17:26:20 GMT
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If your thinking of breaking it you may as well have a go at the body work, start with some simple bits and go from there, you will soon get the hang of it, if it all goes pear shaped then pull it apart for spares!
If you get stuck ask for help here!
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Feb 17, 2019 22:34:41 GMT
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It is most certainly a first World problem. And thanks all for your replies. I think I am going to get a friend to help with the immediate issue of welding then see what body parts I can get together for it. Silly thing is if you saw the car on a good day, freshly cleaned, you'd probably not notice the bits I've mentioned so it looks better than it is. And mechanically it is spot on. So in summary - I just don't think I'm ready to giver up on it yet!
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Feb 17, 2019 23:28:05 GMT
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I guessed as soon as I saw your username it would be the 9k. I have the same problem with my first 9k; it's been in my family for 20 years this year or next, was my first proper 'family' car that I took my first born home in, and in general has always felt so much tighter and better screwed together than my wife's 9k Aeroversary. I'm loathed to get rid of it, but it needs a considerable amount of welding (for a 9k at least) to the rear on both sides including a complete arch, and the paint work is shot so would need a respray as I can't do ratty cars to that extent. That's the killer, £3k absolute minimum for a respray around here, and at the end of the day it's a 1994 CSE LPT that, even with bodywork done and all the stage 5 items fitted, will be worth the square root of F all. Decisions decisions.
I also feel your pain regarding a replacement. There is literally nothing that achieves what a good 9000 does in terms of retro, gets under your skin, power and performance, practicality, comfort, 35mpg reasonably achievable, value for money. I've recently been looking to replace my 9-5 with something older with the above check list, but didn't want yet another 9k and wanted something J, but the options are so few and far between because most are 6 cylinder and won't get near the same fuel economy. Looks like I may get around this by satisfying my wife's other car desires (T25/Disco) so that I can take her 9k as a daily and secretly work on adding an turbo 80's/90's J to the fleet in place of my MX5 without the requirement of 35mpg.
Good luck with your decisions. I have tended to agree with a few of the above points in that, if the future of the car is condemned anyway, waving a weldy stick at it isn't going to hurt the situation anymore and may just save the car. Or, if you have the money to put into it, justify that you know how good every other area of the car is and 9k Aeros are creeping up in value, therefore in the long run the repairs probably won't cost much more than getting rid and replacing.
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Feb 23, 2019 14:01:15 GMT
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...I also feel your pain regarding a replacement. There is literally nothing that achieves what a good 9000 does in terms of retro, gets under your skin, power and performance, practicality, comfort, 35mpg reasonably achievable, value for money. I've recently been looking to replace my 9-5 with something older with the above check list, but didn't want yet another 9k and wanted something J, but the options are so few and far between because most are 6 cylinder and won't get near the same fuel economy. Looks like I may get around this by satisfying my wife's other car desires (T25/Disco) so that I can take her 9k as a daily and secretly work on adding an turbo 80's/90's J to the fleet in place of my MX5 without the requirement of 35mpg... Hi Oli, thanks for an excellent post. So sorry I'd missed it before. It's good to hear from another 9000 owner because what you've written above is clearly from someone who just gets them! When looking round at alternatives I've allowed myself a budget up to £20k but given it the same criteria that you've outlined above. And there just isn't anything that I'd like to own that meets all of those thing. Sure a c63 estate would sound awesome and be rapid but I'd lose most of that money on depreciation and petrol. Even ignoring costs I like the way it will sit at 120/130mph all day long in Germany and still do 300+ miles to a tank of petrol. So. Having taken on board I clearly have some sort of stupid affection to this car I went out on Thursday and paid far too much for a brand new, no longer available, pair of front wings. This now sees me committing to sorting out the various other bodily issues and planning to own this car well into its 200,000 mile territory. From a fiscal perspective I'm not doing this for the right reasons. But sometimes with a car you just have to do what works for you. This, I think, is it.
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Last Edit: Feb 23, 2019 14:03:12 GMT by mrmoonyman
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steve900
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Feb 24, 2019 10:05:34 GMT
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Same Swedish boat here - the clutch on my 98 9000 CSE went last year so financially I should have just scrapped it but it's the best car I've ever had so ended up getting it sorted. Should I ever get rid I know that I will have to get another 9k!!
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They are indeed nice to live with.
Clutch is one of the many things I've done to this one. The origanum one wasn't very happy at 120k when I turned the Boost up!
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