ivangt6
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Dog car dilemmaivangt6
@ivangt6
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I've been given permission to get a dog car now the golf has been ruined by said dog. Criteria (from her) -must be able to carry a dog and camping gear simultaneously -good enough on fuel to be able to go camping in the first place -take her on holibobs. I think this means the car has to be cheap enough for me to take her abroad after buying it :/ Criteria (from me) -must carry dog and camping stuff blah blah blah -more importantly, fixable by me, strong enough to tow project cars home and big enough to carry parts for said cars with this in mind I've found myself looking at these two Range rover claasic Or a series 1 disco preferably the early one with the ugly headlights Both preferably a V8 on LPG. I haven't had a V8 yet. Or LPG Both are around the 2-3k mark although the disco's are more plentiful and cheaper in equivalent condition Am I mad? Has anyone had either of these? what are they like to look after/what should I look out for Should I get a diseasel instead? Cheeeeers
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Last Edit: Oct 8, 2016 21:15:26 GMT by ivangt6
1979 Mini 1000 1972 Triumph GT6 2007 VW Golf GTi 1979 VW T25 Leisuredrive 1988 Range Rover Vogue SE
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RRC - end of! Actually, I'd go for the P38, but that's just me and a hundred people will tell you that if you buy one, you will die a lingering death. My reasons? I think they drive nicer than the Classic, they don't seem to have the rust issues, probably cheaper in the first place now Classics are creeping up and you get air suspension which is brilliant for towing. Admittedly the later Classics have this as well. Somehow, the Discovery has never lit my candle, but there's plenty on here with them, so... And another reason?
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Last Edit: Oct 8, 2016 22:24:48 GMT by georgeb
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I really like the disco, simple, and a good drive. It's just a shame that they do suffer from corrosion, and not always in the best places......the whole boot floor rots out, along with the rear inner arches, and then there are the ally panels that go after that. However, get a good one.....a v8 one is probably more likely to have had an easiest life, and you can't go wrong.
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I've got a 3.5 Classic RR. Have owned it for two years now. One of my best ever car purchases. Really nice to live with, reliable, loved by all!
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Friends had a classic growing up . Wonderful car . Great visabilty , comfortable , powerful , safe .
Can't say i would have a disco , look worse , seem to be terribly rusty , classic will appreciate in value if looked after and maintained .
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After having 3 x RRC & 2 Disco's I'd say look at anything else if you want a trouble free life. They rot, rust and then rot some more. Chassis are normally OK but that is no use if body falling apart. I've recently scrapped a N reg 300TDi auto due to horrendous body rot that you'd never see unless you removed trim. I don't mean normal areas but upper body rail that roof attaches, around windscreen, A posts at top, etc. My first, 200TDi, was only 6 years old when I bought it but already needed complete load area floor replacing. You might think "easy to repair and plenty of repair panels" but add them up and you can spend nearly £1000 if both inner front wings, load area floor, sills, inner rear wheel arches, door shut arch need replacing - which most D1's will be affected. RRC - I had 2 x two doors ('78 & '72) and body parts that aren't shared with 4 door are virtually none existent as the firm that made the repair panels deleted them from their catalogue years ago. My 4 door was an E reg 3.5 EFi Vogue and driven carefully I could get mid 20's mpg. Body was a bit better than Disco but still needed sills & inner front wings. Personally I'd say look for a nice 240 Volvo estate as will haul projects, carry camping gear / dog and even possible to sleep in the back. Fit roof rack and you can carry a huge amount as proved by antique dealers
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Japanese equivalent of the above?
Delica, Shogun, Trooper/Bighorn etc?
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Also bear in mind you don't actually have that much 'boot space' in them,there is more room in a Pug 406 estate,albeit not as high.
You cant get a labrador and camping gear in the back of my Disco Td5 for example, unless you fold the rear seats down.
Get a disco 2 body on a disco 1 chassis.
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As a kid ny folks had 2 mk1 disco diesels and 1 v8 (on loan, so ragged by my mum) good work horses but, drspit me being a country boy, I must say the really rot... but there are a lot of bits available as so many get scrapped! the rangey has the same problem really, so I would go disco out of the two. And definitely not a p38, folks had one of them too! Very unreliable car... tbh for camoing/dogs/sheer practicality I would also go for an estate car. The disco boot is surprisingly small, whereas an old volvo/ford/merc estate would be huge.
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Isuzu Trooper, Shogun / Pajero, Land cruiser Colorado / Prado or Hilux Surf.
As has been said Discos just rot for fun.
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Mate had a 3.1 LWB Trooper and was a brilliant vehicle - far better than my RRC Vogue.
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I have a 3.5efi rr on lpg, it does around 15 to the gallon on LPG if driven carefully equiv of mid 20's on petrol or diesel, not brilliant but not too bad either.
As others have said rot is the problem, mine looked pretty sound but turned out someone had been very creative with a green coloured filler, ended up replacing rear arches, sills, rear doors, tailgate, kick panels, front floors, 7 of the body mountings and large areas of the front inner wings, it had also previously had the rear X member and boot floor replaced. Now it is all done it drives very well and mechanically I have had to do nothing to it, there does seem to be a bit of a weep from the PAS pump and a clonk going from P to R (common issue as drive chains stretch) but that is about it.
The early flapper Efi like mine has a reputation for problems, but it is 30 years old and actually pretty simple, if mine ever becomes a real problem I will probably go for a pair of SU's.
my conclusion, if you can find a truly rust free one it will be great but check very very carefully, fuel will be fairly expensive but most of the mechanical parts are reliable and replacements fairly cheap.
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I've had a couple of Range Rovers, and they were great, i've even been considering another one myself lately, but it'll be a P38 if i do this time. But have you considered some kind of crew cab pick up? This L200 was mine, and it was pretty good, comfy, loads of room in the back... This Chevrolet is mine, and it's probably the best of the three that i've mentioned here, it's pretty good, comfy even on long journeys, and loads of room in the back.
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Possibly a bit modern and hard to get hold of but Holden Suburbans were sold here (in small numbers) they make other 4x4s look small, LPG I think was a standard dealer fitment
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ivangt6
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Club RR Member Number: 132
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Dog car dilemmaivangt6
@ivangt6
Club Retro Rides Member 132
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Cheers guys. Some food for thought
Sounds like discos rot worse than RR classics then which is a bit of a surprise given the RR design comes from the 70's. 15mpg on lpg works out to about 30mpg given the current price of lpg which is good enough for me.
I hadn't really considered J stuff and I'm sure they're reliable etc, I just don't like them
An estate might be a good shout. Possibly a sierra or mk3 granada. Not the dohc twin cam though or the cv. It'd have to be a pinto or v6. She hates them though which is a problem
I don't think she'd mind an Isuzu or a Nissan. Maybe I'm a brand snob but I just couldn't do it
I don't think she'd mind a volvo xv... Whatever it is. Maybe I should look into that.
P38 RR I did look into but got put of by tales of airbag suspension and complicated faults. I'd rather weld a rusty car than delve into electrical faults
The most overriding thing is that the RR classic shape really looks good. I hadn't even really noticed them until I saw one the other week. It had a lift kit and some wider steel wheels in black. Looked awesome. I suppose I should have a good look around one to see what they're like in my price range
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1979 Mini 1000 1972 Triumph GT6 2007 VW Golf GTi 1979 VW T25 Leisuredrive 1988 Range Rover Vogue SE
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At this end of the world (NZ) I'd say Ford Falcon wagon without question. Have you considered an old Series Landrover?
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I'd probably go with the RR classic and bury my head in the sand about potential (and actual) problems. They just have something about them that the others don't. Can't quite pin down what it is but they always strike me as being a bit sort of special, a bit like old P5 & P6 Rovers and old Triumphs.
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Jaguar S-Type 3.0 SE
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saab 9-5, e34/39.
depends on size of dog, 9-3 seems to be ok for my mate with a st bernard!
406 a good shout, cheap and plentiful, c5 is excellent, 407 bit of a cross between the two and the boot opening is poor
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Oct 10, 2016 11:52:01 GMT
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I woud go disco 2 again. Doesnt rot like the 1, just rear chassis rails what are easy to do.
Although I'm going to buy a freelander next i think, want to see how bad they are.
And i would never buy a p38 range rover personally. Remember how many problems my dads had, all the time. don't think they drive well either.
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Last Edit: Oct 10, 2016 11:53:12 GMT by jaykay
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Oct 10, 2016 12:20:04 GMT
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currently got the same dilemma, but I'm pretty much sold on a double cab pickup with a proper canopy on the rear, give me 5 seats of non doggyness and space in the back for anything else i may want to move.
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'90 Audi B3 Coupe 2.3 Auto [gone] '92 Audi S4 Avant 2.2 AAN Turbo Auto [gone] '93 Audi 80 Avant 1.9TDi [gone] '96 Audi A4 Avant 2.6 Quattro [gone] '97 VW T4 1.9td LWB [gone] '03 Skoda Octavia 1.9TDi [gone] '05 VW T5 Shuttle LWB 1.9TDi '15 VW Caddy Maxi Kombi 1.6TDi
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