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For the last few days I'm been mourning the decision to scrap my MKIII 1600LS Capri. That was over 15 years ago and at the time they were still common yet today would be classed as a very easy project (it had only done around 30,000 genuine miles !) I'd like another but one in similar condition to mine would now cost so much that simply not affordable. It's got me thinking and I can't come up with another car that fitted the Capri market. It was based on Cortina mechanics so tried and tested running gear. Engine range from 1300 four pot to a V6. Proper rear seats that could take an adult, albeit limited leg room if driver / front passenger have their seats slid back. Proper coupe design rather than fast back saloon like 406, BMW, Merc, Calibra etc coupes. Most today are larger / powerful engines so insurance and running costs are higher than a saloon. There is the Cougar, Hyundai Coupe, Audi TT (rear seat is a joke), Corrado, 924/944 (but they are more akin to the Capri era). Forgetting the RWD aspect can anyone think of a more modern equivalent - "coupe for the ordinary man" ? My dream car -
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Puma? I've heard the handling is excellent. Not sure if that's modern enough?
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I have quite a thing for the Nissan S15 too
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adam73bgt
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Toyota GT86? no v6 option though
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MiataMark
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Alfa GTV (the FWD one) or Brera (even has a hatch), and you can get V6's.
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Subaru BRZ/Toyota GT86 or whatever it's called would be my suggestion.
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Ian
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New car but the 4 series BMW is different to the 3 series, different track and wheelbase I am led to believe. Not sure on the 2 series if that differs to the same extent to the 1 series equivalent. As you stated most will development of a current more mainstream model. Like you mentioned the Corrado, which shared Mk2 golf parts as well as Passat. Latest VW Scirocco cant really be called a coupe either.
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In general, the concept of offering such a wide range of engines in the one car from economy to high-performance is no longer in fashion, so that part is a bit tricky. Developing different engine options costs so much now!
Toyota Celica - No longer available, but it fits perfectly with what you are describing. The Toyota GT86 / Subaru BRZ is obvious, as already mentioned. Nissan Silvia / 200SX were excellent coupes in the proper sense, although fairly small in the back. Nissan Skyline - If you want a 6 cylinder engine, or if the Silvia isn't big enough for you. Mazda RX8 - If you count the suicide door sedan-ish thing as a coupe. Hyundai Veloster - Continues the definition debate about what a coupe is. It's built mainly for style rather than performance and comes with a 1600cc engine, so it's probably the closest modern equivalent of your old Capri. VW Scirocco - Is it a real coupe?
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Hmmmm, nothing has really come close to the Capri in terms of the variety available... Sure, there have been Coupe's since but they would generally be just one model rather than a range like the Capri once was...!
I'd say that the 90's VW Corrado was close to the Capri and I'd also say that the Vauxhall Calibra was nearly there but they were both quite tight in the back as it were...!!!
It'd be great if Ford produced a re-born Capri for the 21st Century but it appears that that will probably never happen due to the fact that we will have RHD Ford Mustangs over here soon!
I miss my Capri's and wish I could have kept them but I suppose it's still nice to have the memories...!!!
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Are the 406, Calibra, Sirocco, etc really so different in concept? I believe the Capri was based on humble Cortina bits, and like wise the aforementioned coupe's are also based on more humdrum offerings so other than the RWD aspect, they seem fairly similar to me.
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'03 Porsche 996 C2 3.6 - Sort of Retro '84 Porsche 924 - Definitely Retro!
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adam73bgt
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we will have RHD Ford Mustangs over here soon! Available with I4, V6 and V8 engines.. Theres your new Capri! just tweak the badge
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^^^ Indeed...!!!
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My sister has had several Mustangs. She buys them new in US and keeps / uses at holiday home for a year before importing into UK. The cost of the first (was an S reg V6 convertible) was something like £8000 new in the States and worked out at around £14000 in total "on the road" in the UK. OT - I've been looking for fibreglass MKI Capri panels with the idea of making my own version based on a Javelin kitcar - and came across this - pity nobody make the same for the Capri (bonded to a modified BMW floorpan ?)
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As everyone else really, I always felt the Hyundai Coupe came reasonably close (in modern terms) but not on the market any more. Mustang I4/V6 will be the closest thing I'd say. That's the thing with the Capri though, it's all about looks, practicality, decent but not amazing straight line performance and cruising ability (surprisingly good ride comfort, for it's day anyway), and few cars really focus on that mix of attributes any more. The Hyundai Coupe and Saab Coupes used to, but they're gone now, and neither ever really had the looks? There's the GT86 I guess, but I've never been sold on it's looks, and it doesn't priorities ride/cruising comfort - it goes for dynamic abilities instead, and that's not a very Capri thing, even when you 6 link the rear end and fit coil-overs all round like I have! I've also heard the Mustang is trying to be all capable in the corners, which oddly worries me! Just doesn't seem right!
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Imo nothing quite compares to a Capri. I had a few and also a Calibra. The Calibra was ok in most aspects but I would struggle to put it in the same category. I drove a Gt86 and was fairly impressed it felt quite lively and tail happy. So I guess if I didn't love older cars then the Toyota would be on my list.
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Last Edit: Dec 2, 2014 13:44:45 GMT by jeffeRS
New cars. Who needs em.....
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EmDee
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Nobody said fiat coupe yet? 5 engines available, 5 pot turbo for me though plz
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No-one cares about cars any more in our society. The combination of environmentalists making petrol use morally equivalent to burning nuns and kittens and the stupid expense of running a vehicle is one factor, and coupled with a society that has become Americanised to the point where the car is seen as an essential rather than a luxury has meant the car is not and won't be seen in the same way as when the Capri was king. Back then a Capri was a cachet you could aspire to; if you could afford a top model with the hot-poop engine then you were the man. If you couldn't then you got the feeble poverty-spec one and pretended, but it was something to strive towards no matter what... and everyone understood it because everyone looking at cars appreciated the intrinsic value of them. Many households didn't even have one car then, let alone the two-point-whatever current average. Now someone buys a car like a Hyundai because it has a five-year warranty, never caring or thinking about the fact that it'll be worth 50p if by some miracle it lasts past the end of that warranty....and certainly not because they actually want a Hyundai for its own sake. Or even know anything about it, let alone what engine it has. Or they buy a hundred-grand Audi or Merc because there are corporate incentives attached and they can brag about it in the bankers club after hours. The car is no more a thing of worth for its own sake than any other white goods. To someone without money it's a throw-away means of getting to work, getting the kids to school and getting lots of crates of discount Stella in the boot at Lidls and when it goes wrong it's chucked away like a defective toaster. To those with money it's a status symbol but not like Capris were, in their own right; it's a status symbol in the same way a Breil or a Sunseeker is. In this culture of disposable goods vs conspicuous wealth it's hard to see any car, no matter how versatile or stylish, achieving the variety and universal appeal that cars like the Capri once commanded. "Normal" people aren't like us, as evidenced by the zillions of otherwise perfectly good cars murdered under scrappage. As for the GT86, it's only got one engine and the back seats are only good for amputees. I think in recent times the Japanese have probably come closest to the idea of a "range for everyman" with some of their ranges, but we never got most of the models in them. Actually, I like the Ford Probe/Mazda MX-6 but that probably only goes to show how worthless my opinion is
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Volvo C70 coupe, along with aforementioned Hyundai and Alfa. Thinking about it, long nose, decent engine, rwd, reasonably good looking would be a 3 series coupe?
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Now someone buys a car like a Hyundai because it has a five-year warranty, never caring or thinking about the fact that it'll be worth 50p if by some miracle it lasts past the end of that warranty....and certainly not because they actually want a Hyundai for its own sake. Or even know anything about it, let alone what engine it has. So like anyone buying a Datsun or Toyta in the 70's (outside of their sports car ranges) Or they buy a hundred-grand Audi or Merc because there are corporate incentives attached and they can brag about it in the bankers club after hours. So like anyone buying a Mercedes in the 70's and 80's then ... Plus ça change.
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Brera. Though my knowledge in those is as limited as a diff.
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New cars. Who needs em.....
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