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Sept 29, 2013 16:01:31 GMT
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Awesome thread thanks guys - I am not trying to make money (although it would be nice if it appreciated in value), but am hoping that getting in now with the fwd scorts, they will get as much attention on the street in the near future as the rwds do now. Got some in my watch list as we speak
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Sept 29, 2013 16:32:34 GMT
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Just had a quick hunt and found some old photos (like actual photos, so in the absence of a scanner, I've just snapped them on my phone) This was built for next to nothing because the undesirable donor RS2000 was free....and Mk2 vans were super cheap (so was insurance for modified vans back then) Using another cheap donor RS2000 to get it back on the road, I ran it until I saved enough to buy a Mk2 Cavalier. Much better than a shonky old rattly van. Even if it was quick! This was the sort of thing that my mates were driving at the time. Certainly a lot more desirable in 1990 than a Mk1 or Mk2 Escort (a very young MM in what was then a trendy lilac polo shirt!). Thornie's XR3i cabriolet was a real object of desire back then, even if it became the default ride of hairdressers and chavs in the mid 90's. Mk3's were definitely the car to have at 'our age' compared to Mk1's and Mk2's.
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monty
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Sept 29, 2013 17:01:24 GMT
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All cars will at some point be considered retro/classics. It's a fallacy to think that there's any difference between a mk1 Escort and a mk6 escort. They are the same car, originally aimed at the same market. The only difference is the rose tinted spectacles have made the mk1 appear better. I've no argument that they'll all end up as classics in someone's eyes but re the above, seriously? Mk1 and 2's were rwd saloons that both had, and continue to have, serious rally and track pedigree. The chassis and balance was and is superb. The others are front wheel drive hatchbacks that never did much more than take grandma to the shops. OK there were a few hot versions that were fun to own in the 80's but they will never have anything like the history of the early cars all they share is the name.
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kram
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Sept 29, 2013 18:31:00 GMT
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If youve ever owned / driven a decent MK1 Escort youd never compare them to a MK5/6 .........ive never owned rose coloured spectacles but owned around 30 MK1 Escorts and still do own several MK1 & 2's..... [quote author=" stealthstylz" source="/post/1844247/thread" timestamp="1380451255" The only difference is the rose tinted spectacles have made the mk1 appear better.[/quote]
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79 Escort Van (Cossie Turbo'd) 70 MK1 Escort Wagon (Weld-a-thon) 88 Saff Cosworth (2WD) 54 Ford Pop (V8) 29 Ford A Pickup (V8 Project)
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stealthstylz
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Sept 29, 2013 18:41:44 GMT
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How many people bought them because of the wonderful chassis and balance? I bet if I said 5% it'd be an overly optimistic figure. People bought Escorts then for the same reasons they bought Mk5/6 Escorts in the 90s/00s. They were cheap to buy, cheap to run, reliable and cheap to repair if they did break. They weren't special cars that were somehow only owned by people who appreciated the handling.
I'm not saying I don't like Mk1/2 Escorts. I love em. But if you think a Mk1 1100L was bought for any other reason than it was cheap and got the job done you're deluded.
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Sept 29, 2013 18:44:02 GMT
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This thread reminds me of the mk5 rs2000 advert -
Seems very retro now!
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120y
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Sept 29, 2013 18:52:09 GMT
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I had a mk5 escort 1.3lx in silver id have that car back in a heartbeat, ive also owned a mk2 1.6 and a mk4 1.6ghia, all good reliable cars but I never was a fan of the cvh engine.
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Sept 29, 2013 19:03:06 GMT
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The champ is back - awesome advert! Oh man I've got some shizzle in my watch list
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Sept 30, 2013 17:38:00 GMT
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the answer is yes they will eventually become desireable, i remember when you couldnt give rwd escorts and capris away, they became council estate race cars because they were cheap and plentiful, when the cycle came around and people were liking them again you couldnt give the sierra, mk1 and 2 fiestas away and guess what the cycle is coming around to these just look how prices have increased, if the mk5 or 6 is a car you like find yourself the best one you can find and keep it nice
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Sept 30, 2013 18:34:43 GMT
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Maybe its just me but it seems to take cars longer to gain wide spread classic status. The oldest mk3 is well over 30 years old.. Mk1 mondeos are getting on for 20...
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kram
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Sept 30, 2013 18:43:01 GMT
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As usual with the topic of the MK1 or mk2 Escorts its the people who have never owned 1 or too tight to buy 1 that seems to know the most and you seem to have a lot to say on this subject ?? so how can you say anything about there chassis etc etc if youve never had 1 , as for deluded have a look in the mirror .....oh did you ever actually finish that 100e you started a few years ago or is it an unfinished project as surely with all your knowledge it must drive like its on rails .... [quote author=" stealthstylz" source="/post/1844437/thread" timestamp="1380480104" you're deluded.[/quote]
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79 Escort Van (Cossie Turbo'd) 70 MK1 Escort Wagon (Weld-a-thon) 88 Saff Cosworth (2WD) 54 Ford Pop (V8) 29 Ford A Pickup (V8 Project)
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Sept 30, 2013 21:02:59 GMT
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Back on track... I think mk3's are already desirable, mk4's close but not yet as much.. Mk5's will be desirable, they rot so bad, coupled with my believe they weren't really that popular 1st time round, always kinda trying to be as good as mk4 XR3I's and RS turbos but in the eyes of joe public never were (my take on things any how) Thus leading to them being rare now, and, in all fairness they were cracking cars in the sport form, hence will be desired, I'd love a mk5 rs2000 Here's my daily (Disclaimer... These are my views, may they be wrong or right, they are mine)
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1970 Beetle 1600
1973 Rover P6 2000SC
1993 Audi 80 Avant 1.9TDI
1996 Transit SWB pop top camper, 2L Twink
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Sept 30, 2013 22:53:59 GMT
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I see a nice future for the open ones (if you can find an orginal one). Classic cars are used for showing and touring, which a convertible can do. It is even sensible for a family as an alternative for the classic two seater sportscar.
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stealthstylz
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Sept 30, 2013 23:23:14 GMT
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As usual with the topic of the MK1 or mk2 Escorts its the people who have never owned 1 or too tight to buy 1 that seems to know the most and you seem to have a lot to say on this subject ?? so how can you say anything about there chassis etc etc if youve never had 1 , as for deluded have a look in the mirror .....oh did you ever actually finish that 100e you started a few years ago or is it an unfinished project as surely with all your knowledge it must drive like its on rails .... I had a mk2, driven loads of mk1s and 2s upto and including full rally spec versions. I think you're missing my point. I love Mk1 and Mk2 Escorts, they are a fantastic chassis and are excellent to drive, it's just not the reason the vast majority of people bought them, which was because they were cheap.
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As usual with the topic of the MK1 or mk2 Escorts its the people who have never owned 1 or too tight to buy 1 that seems to know the most and you seem to have a lot to say on this subject ?? so how can you say anything about there chassis etc etc if youve never had 1 , as for deluded have a look in the mirror .....oh did you ever actually finish that 100e you started a few years ago or is it an unfinished project as surely with all your knowledge it must drive like its on rails .... I had a mk2, driven loads of mk1s and 2s upto and including full rally spec versions. I think you're missing my point. I love Mk1 and Mk2 Escorts, they are a fantastic chassis and are excellent to drive, it's just not the reason the vast majority of people bought them, which was because they were cheap. Further to which, the only reason the lowly spec ones are sought after/valuable now, is not because anybody actually wants them, but because there are hundreds of Mexicos, Harriers and tarmac rally championship contending shells getting twisted every year. FWIW, as a child of the 90s, I have no interest in owning a Mk1 Escort, but I would be quite inclined towards an Imperial Blue early Mk5 3-door. For the same reasons that I am quite partial to an Impreza WRX or Evo IV, but have zero desire for a Quattro or R5GT. It's a Blue oval, it will without doubt appreciate, the halo models only. The rest will become reshells or Campbells soup cans. All this nonsense about FWD is, well, nonsense. Sure the Focus STs are already going up.
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Ok so this thread has really got me fired up, although I have also started looking slightly wider too - puma or cougar anyone? I can see that the mk3 escort is getting there and the mk4 and mk5 will probably follow too - either because the price of earlier cars will exclude most people from owning or because the younger enthusiasts will look to the cars of their youth. Anything 3 door will probably be the first to achieve status IMHO with the 4/5 doors following - again once the price has gone up of the more desirable 3 doors or supply has dried up. From memory the last 3 door estate was the mk4? Or was it the mk3? Agree with the last comment about the more recent escorts being hum drum - the last really desirable escort was the RS turbo IMHO - ford tried with the later mk5 xr3, RS2000 and mk6 GTi but didn't quite make it. Will report back when I have bought something
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Oh and I also had a mk3 escort van - xr3 1600 cvh, Orion Ghia interior, lowered with 2 up 2 down cibie oscar and super oscars. Really enjoyed that van come to think of it.....runs off to add some escort vans to his watch list
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I think the mk5 sports hatches will come up in price very soon. There doesnt seem many around nowadays. I can see mk3 Astra GSIs gaining status very soon. Look at the mk2 Astra GTEs, I used to take them as labour fees, now you're lucky to find a half decent one with a bit of tax and mot for less than £1500. I'd like a mk5 XR3i or RS2000 but would be simply for investment purposes. I'd also keep my eye out for a Citrine Yellow/Lime RS kitted MK1 Mondeo and mk2 ST200......but I'm just a hoarder. lol
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mikeymk
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The problem with the first 90s Escorts is that they were inferior to the previous model. This isn't just my opinion, the press ripped Ford to bits, Autocar shamed it on the front page. Because it was designed to be cheap to make, the new engines weren't ready so the old ones continued, and it just wasn't the car everyone had hoped for.
Cue back to 1981 and the press loved the new Escort then, claiming it was better than an Alfasud.
So what did the public think? Well they ignored the press mainly, and the cars started to sell on inherited status. And then swiftly get a reputation for being rubbish.
I still had high expectations for the first one I drove, in I think 1994. I had a 1985 1.6 Cavalier and got in a mates almost new K-reg 1.8 Orion LX, now with the engine promised from the start. I felt all special as I got into it but it was nowhere near the drivers car the Cavalier was.
My first car was an 83 and I've had lots of Escorts since, my favorite being a one-owner 90 XR3i. So I always had a soft spot for them, even though they're not dynamically very good and they were always built like biscuit tins. And yet I was reluctant to buy a 90s one. But I went ahead and bought a very late 1.6 16v on an S plate in LX trim, wasn't my thing and I was happy to swiftly sell it on.
But id have another 80s one.
Still, there's a lot to be said for era. Cars act as one of the biggest community calendars we have, look at a photo taken in the street and you know when it was taken by the cars. They are in our memories and its not always about the car itself, not about how cheap it was or its handling dynamics. Its more likely because your uncle had one, or its the one that you used to look at on the way to school. Lowered on nice alloys, the 90s Escorts do look the tits with their flowing lines and bulged arches.
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Smiler
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The Mk3 Escort will be rising in value in about a year or so. Becaue that'll be just after I've hopefully sold mine! Any car I keep hold of (Mk3 Escort, Mk5 Cortina) seems to stagnate at low values whilst other options I nearly bought or have sold on have risen steadily. If I no longer own the Escort, knowing sod's laws affection for me, the mk3 will come of age and prices will climb accordingly.
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www.Auto-tat.co.uk'96 Range Rover P38 DSE (daily driver) '71 Reliant Scimitar SE5 GTE 3.0ltr Jag V6 Conversion '79 Reliant Scimitar SE6A 3.0ltr 24valve Omega Conversion '85 Escort Cabrio 2.0 Zetec - Sold '91 BMW 525i - Sold '82 Cortina 2.9i Ghia Cosworth - Sold '72 VW Campervan - Sold '65 LandRover 88" - Sold
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