Paul Y
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Just had a quick hunt and found some old photos (like actual photos, so in the absence of a scanner, I've just snapped them on my phone) This was built for next to nothing because the undesirable donor RS2000 was free....and Mk2 vans were super cheap (so was insurance for modified vans back then) That looks exactly the same as my RS2000 Van,including the damage! Mine met its maker after a meals on wheels wagon pulled out on me on the Commercial Road. Most reliable car I have ever owned, went like stink (used the rear axle out of a 1600e) and made me smile. Plus it was £25 per year, fully comp, drive any car insurance...Happy days... Got a second one and moved all the bits over too it but went with a flat front over the drop snoot. That is still knocking around so must have done something right... As for the original question, I wouldnt pay big bucks for a Mk1 or Mk2 Escort let alone one with the wrong wheel drive. If you are really going to drop £20K plus there are a lot better cars to consider. Hijack over, carry on. P.
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Hijack is fine !
Never had any intention of spending £20k on an escort - I am looking to spend 1-2k for a nice clean mk3 or 4. You're right if I did have that much to spend it wouldn't be on an escort!
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There was a mk4 converted to mk3 in the for sale section recently it appealed to me as a bit of an investment
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This is my current project. Not technically an Escort but you get the idea!...
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stealthstylz
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I've got some of those wheels brand new in boxes in the loft. Surprised how cool they look without the centre caps. They're in a chrome finish iirc.
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I've got some of those wheels brand new in boxes in the loft. Surprised how cool they look without the centre caps. They're in a chrome finish iirc. I've got the centre caps but I think they look better without them too!
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It was still an Orion on a mk5 and then became an escort saloon on the mk6 IIRC? Still looking sharp and exactly what I am talking about hang onto it !
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cjhillman
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1979 Capri (Rolling Project) 1985 Escort mk3 (Daily)
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Nov 12, 2013 18:25:22 GMT
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I'm not sure if the Mk3 will ever be like the Golfs with younger drivers or mk2 Escorts with ford fans. I have one and i'm 25 and i love it but like all mk3's it needs work which is why its not on the road right now. I think thats the main problem.... they all rusted away before anyone was bothered... maybe mk2s lasted longer? you don't really see any like you do other cult cars. It would be cool if they did get some recognition, there was a serge in interest in base models and L spec cars it seemed last year... i think its died down again though now. I remember them from my Dad having them but by the time i got round to being 17 theyd mainly gone then! my buddies are into Golfs and think my car looks old compared. heres a couple of mine... will be nice to get back home and tend to it!
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Last Edit: Nov 12, 2013 18:35:52 GMT by cjhillman
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Nov 12, 2013 21:26:55 GMT
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As usual with the topic of the MK1 or mk2 Escorts its the people who have never owned 1 or too tight to buy 1 that seems to know the most and you seem to have a lot to say on this subject ?? so how can you say anything about there chassis etc etc if youve never had 1 , as for deluded have a look in the mirror .....oh did you ever actually finish that 100e you started a few years ago or is it an unfinished project as surely with all your knowledge it must drive like its on rails .... [quote author=" stealthstylz" source="/post/1844437/thread" timestamp="1380480104" you're deluded. [/quote] now I think youre been a bit harsh yes mk1s and 2s have rally pedigree but I remember my dad owning a mk1 and a mk2 and they weren't bought because of the handling they were bought as simple family runabouts which is what they were back then they were used and disposed of like youre average mk5 onwards escort yes its hard for us to think now but in the 80,s they were bangers I saw loads been raced as bomber cars when I were younger and before you say ive not driven one I owned a mk1 for 2 years and to be honest the handling wasn't anymore spectacular than the mk3 Cortina ive got now
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Nov 12, 2013 21:49:46 GMT
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The rules apply all the way through,to dismiss a Mk5/6 as not plausible classic fodder but who would have thought that the allegro would attain the status it has,likewise the sierra and lada riva to name but a few.Eventually every dog has its day.
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Nov 13, 2013 13:33:31 GMT
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I agree, most cars become sort of desirable at some point. I have owned lots of Escorts. When i look back to around 1992 i bought a MK2 1.1 popular plus for £160 and turned it into a 2.1 pinto'ed rally car. I didn't do it as I lusted after a MK2, i did it as it was cheap to buy and bits were cheap (how times change). I've had mk3, 4 and 5 versions and while they were all okay, the only one I really miss is a Y reg XR3i (one of the first i'S). Would I have another MK2, yes but unlikely to be able to afford one, which is why i have 100e now. Equally who would have expected them to become popular! I look back at a number of cars I had and wish I had them now, Manta GTE Coupe, Audi Quattro, XR2, XR3I's, 205 GTI etc, but at the time I had them and subsequently got rid of them, they were just another car. As already said, it isn't a RWD or FWD thing, it is just about cars that we fondly look back at because they hold memories for us, and we romantically believe that if we get one again it will be as good as the first time. This demand for the cars will then drive the price up and this doesn't follow if the car was good in the first place or not, it is more to do with the number of people that will at some stage have the same romantic notion about owning one again.
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Last Edit: Nov 13, 2013 13:36:30 GMT by richmc72
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Nov 13, 2013 15:20:25 GMT
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It was still an Orion on a mk5 and then became an escort saloon on the mk6 IIRC? the orion became escort on the 5b shape model in late 1993
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grumpy
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Ok so this thread has really got me fired up, although I have also started looking slightly wider too - puma or cougar anyone? I can see that the mk3 escort is getting there and the mk4 and mk5 will probably follow too - either because the price of earlier cars will exclude most people from owning or because the younger enthusiasts will look to the cars of their youth. Anything 3 door will probably be the first to achieve status IMHO with the 4/5 doors following - again once the price has gone up of the more desirable 3 doors or supply has dried up. From memory the last 3 door estate was the mk4? Or was it the mk3? Agree with the last comment about the more recent escorts being hum drum - the last really desirable escort was the RS turbo IMHO - ford tried with the later mk5 xr3, RS2000 and mk6 GTi but didn't quite make it. Will report back when I have bought something Ford did a 3dr mk4 escort estate/ combi . My mater had a diesel one for his first car - nicknamed 'the rouge slug ' !
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remmoc
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From a personal view only everything apart from the MK6 will hit some kind of retro desirable status , MK6 is just terrible IMHO
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bortaf
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From a personal view only everything apart from the MK6 will hit some kind of retro desirable status , MK6 is just terrible IMHO So was the allegro and the marina not to mention the princess, never ever underestimate the rose tinted specs aspect, people will allways get to a certain age and long for the simpler times when life was easyer, once the kids grow up, morgage paid off ect ect they will develope a lust for something to make them feel younger and back in the "best years of thier life", i sill ocncider the Mk6 to be my "modern" but others already comment on it's age in the petrol station, i laugh and tell em it's 25 years newer than some of my my other cars
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remmoc
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From a personal view only everything apart from the MK6 will hit some kind of retro desirable status , MK6 is just terrible IMHO So was the allegro and the marina not to mention the princess, never ever underestimate the rose tinted specs aspect, people will allways get to a certain age and long for the simpler times when life was easyer, once the kids grow up, morgage paid off ect ect they will develope a lust for something to make them feel younger and back in the "best years of thier life", i sill ocncider the Mk6 to be my "modern" but others already comment on it's age in the petrol station, i laugh and tell em it's 25 years newer than some of my my other cars Fair comment , i didnt mean to deride your car at all , its just a personal thing i have on the looks , the rear lights especially , perhaps this is why i like the MK6 vans as they have different ones
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sunnyjim31
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I'm gona paint ur nuts brown and tell the squirls winters comin !!!
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I've got a J reg Orion ghia SI , one of the best cars I,ve ever owned !
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Smiler
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I no longer own anything FWD! Or with less than 6 cylinders, or 2.5ltrs! :)
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I really hope that values for the mk3 start creeping up, it might slightly decrease the huge loss I'm going to make when I eventually sell mine.
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www.Auto-tat.co.uk'96 Range Rover P38 DSE (daily driver) '71 Reliant Scimitar SE5 GTE 3.0ltr Jag V6 Conversion '79 Reliant Scimitar SE6A 3.0ltr 24valve Omega Conversion '85 Escort Cabrio 2.0 Zetec - Sold '91 BMW 525i - Sold '82 Cortina 2.9i Ghia Cosworth - Sold '72 VW Campervan - Sold '65 LandRover 88" - Sold
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This is my current project. Not technically an Escort but you get the idea!... I've driven that car. Know 3 of the previous owners.
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bortaf
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So was the allegro and the marina not to mention the princess, never ever underestimate the rose tinted specs aspect, people will allways get to a certain age and long for the simpler times when life was easyer, once the kids grow up, morgage paid off ect ect they will develope a lust for something to make them feel younger and back in the "best years of thier life", i sill ocncider the Mk6 to be my "modern" but others already comment on it's age in the petrol station, i laugh and tell em it's 25 years newer than some of my my other cars Fair comment , i didnt mean to deride your car at all , its just a personal thing i have on the looks , the rear lights especially , perhaps this is why i like the MK6 vans as they have different ones No no mate i didn't take it that way at all, the Mk6 is a faceless, feelingless POS as far as i'm concerned, i drive it as little as i can, i much prefer to work at driving my P100, only the wife loves it but i've learnt that the uglyest crapest cars end up being loved as i pointed out in the last post (where in fact i was deriding other people cars, i would appologise but having ownerd them all i feel i have a right too, as do you they are after all manufacturers concepts not somones own vision on the perfect car, i wouldn't have quite such a dig and somones personal modding) , i've owned alegros and marinas and princesses and i hated them all but strangly i love to see them saved, i love reading threads on somone saving them (love for the underdog and all that), i love seeing them on the road but i know it's cos i long for the simpler older days when they were on the road, i had no bills , me mum did all me cooking and washing and i got drunk every nigfht with me mates in the local playground on nighttrain and pink lady One thing i am sure of is that sometime in the future, somone will restore a Mk6 and i'll be reading the thread shaking my head saying "why FFS" i know it will happen cos it already has with Mk4 escorts, i used to break them for 10 years so to me they were, are and allways will be a throwaway car but that's cos i'm a generation too late to have lusted after them as the car me dad owned or mum drove (my mum and dad drove Mk3/4/5 cortinas and guess what i'm fanatical about) my 21 year old youngest lusts after a Mk4 1.25 fiesta zetec S cos it's retro FFS, RETRO! WTF is he shmoking whilst my eldest (28) lusts after a late capri laser or 2.8 special ??
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Last Edit: Feb 2, 2014 16:05:01 GMT by bortaf
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