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Nov 17, 2010 18:35:37 GMT
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Last Edit: Nov 17, 2010 18:43:16 GMT by kapri
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Nov 17, 2010 18:36:51 GMT
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First link is dead (404) and the second 2 are broken by the forum. try tinyurl-ing them. www.tinyurl.comEDIT: I think all are broken due to being too long. And you have a PM |
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Last Edit: Nov 17, 2010 18:38:01 GMT by akku
1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Nov 17, 2010 18:41:29 GMT
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So, is this definitely coming into play?
I've got HIDs, bit with modified projectors from an Audi TT (Proper HID globes).
Just one more thing to take off before MOT time.
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Nov 17, 2010 18:44:52 GMT
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So, is this definitely coming into play? I've got HIDs, bit with modified projectors from an Audi TT (Proper HID globes). Just one more thing to take off before MOT time. Yup, follow the (hopefully) now fixed first link and it takes you to the VOSA newsletter telling testers all about it. The other links show you how it came into being and is an EU minimum standard test |
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Nov 17, 2010 18:45:13 GMT
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most of the stuff i wont have to worry about
my wiring looks miniging bit is new
i wont have to worry about
6.1.9 Engine performance:
(a) Control unit illegal modified. this is my right foot
(b) Illegal engine modification
by 'illegal', it is assumed that they mean changed/programmed differently from OEM specifications)
and ^doesent apply to me
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Nov 17, 2010 18:46:00 GMT
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link #1 working now.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Nov 17, 2010 18:48:18 GMT
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I should also point out that there is a proposal in ther that the first MOT on a new car should not be until it's 4 years old and then every two years. It is being fought against by the trade. The last time this was proposed ,in 2007, it was reported that such a move would cause 400 extra deaths a year. Link to trade mag , with details , here www.catmag.co.uk/headline-news-mot-tests-new-4-2-2-threat |
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Last Edit: Nov 17, 2010 18:49:20 GMT by kapri
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Nov 17, 2010 18:54:25 GMT
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Mind you, how does this work for imports? How are you to know if you've bought a car with an upgraded ECU, if the importer doesn't know anything about it?
There's already confusion with my car, as the digi-dash doesn't have an ABS light present at start up.
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Nov 17, 2010 18:56:51 GMT
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most of the stuff I wont have to worry about my wiring looks miniging bit is new I wont have to worry about 6.1.9 Engine performance: (a) Control unit illegal modified. this is my right foot (b) Illegal engine modification by 'illegal', it is assumed that they mean changed/programmed differently from OEM specifications) and ^doesent apply to me We ( ACE) reported awhile ago that even traditional tuning is being looked into. www.the-ace.org.uk/chip-tuning-restrictions-update.html?searched=chip&highlight=ajaxSearch_highlight+ajaxSearch_highlight1In the earlier of the two links above ther is mention that only pre 80 cars would be exempt , this being based on the EU rolling 30 year definition of Historic. |
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New MOT 2012retrowagen1234
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Nov 17, 2010 19:01:45 GMT
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 ... So when is cameron gonna get off his and sort this curse word out with the EU like he promised  |
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Nov 17, 2010 19:08:07 GMT
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Mind you, how does this work for imports? How are you to know if you've bought a car with an upgraded ECU, if the importer doesn't know anything about it? There's already confusion with my car, as the digi-dash doesn't have an ABS light present at start up. If you click on the VOSA link it shows that you that the tester has to enter a country of origin ( at least I hope it's in that link, I've gone through so many documents in the past 4 days, trying to tie it all together , that I'm going word blind) . |
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Nov 17, 2010 19:08:08 GMT
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Retrowagon: He didn't
What gave you that idea? The Tory manifesto was one of the most Eurofriendly in years
Anyway, Look around the world, this is more than EU. The yanks have it, the Aussies have it, the NZers have it. The tories were keen on in years ago.
lets not derail the thread with political rantings.
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Last Edit: Nov 17, 2010 19:09:26 GMT by akku
1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Nov 17, 2010 19:12:53 GMT
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The whole idea came from EUNECE which is actually the United Nations strategic group on world motoring framework. They have been formulating stuff like this for over 50 years . We have alink showing Russias input into the formulation of the minimum safety standard ( our MOT ). This is also designed to deal with the appaling standard of some EU lorries that enter our country. Link to EUNECE remit, 120 countries involved! www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/meeting_docs_wp29.html?expandable=0&subexpandable=99 |
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Last Edit: Nov 17, 2010 19:15:41 GMT by kapri
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Nov 17, 2010 19:20:29 GMT
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It's a shame that our beaurocrats can't draft legislation that is clear, concise, and contains all the relevant information.
In this case, my concern arises from the phrase "illegal engine modification". There doesn't seem to be anything to say what is legal and what is not. At least with the DVLA's points system we know that we can swap our engine to something else legally - but this is so vague that we really don't know where we stand.
I have to say that I'm glad we have the ACE on our side - I just wish it was more widely recognised.
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stealthstylz
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New MOT 2012stealthstylz
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Nov 17, 2010 19:20:35 GMT
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Wonder how it affects cars with stand alone management. Stupid rule though - have you been in touch with any chip tuning or re-map companies to get their take on it?
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Nov 17, 2010 19:29:34 GMT
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We need a deffinition of illegal, but it worries me.... My car has a cam, ported head, different carbs and exhaust (or will do when I finish it (which might not be until 2012 if I am honest). So does that mean I have to go back to stock?? How would and MOT man know if there is a chip, cam, head work etc?  ? Much more info on this is needed. Lewis |
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New MOT 2012retrowagen1234
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Nov 17, 2010 19:29:49 GMT
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Retrowagon: He didn't What gave you that idea? The Tory manifesto was one of the most Eurofriendly in years Anyway, Look around the world, this is more than EU. The yanks have it, the Aussies have it, the NZers have it. The tories were keen on in years ago. lets not derail the thread with political rantings. I seem to remember there being something from that coalition about clawing some of our rights and freedoms back from brussels. And making it less of a drain on our economy.... But your right. don't wanna take this off into a rant... Just sware i heard some anti euro-ness coming out of them.....  |
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Last Edit: Nov 17, 2010 19:36:06 GMT by retrowagen1234
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Nov 17, 2010 19:41:36 GMT
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Wonder how it affects cars with stand alone management. Stupid rule though - have you been in touch with any chip tuning or re-map companies to get their take on it? No. Part of the reason is that, if you click on the VOSA link in the original post , VOSA themselves are also not aware of how this is to be interpreted , or actioned /tested , either. They have just been handed orders and ,like the testers and their end user ( us), have no real idea of what is to be done. |
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Last Edit: Nov 17, 2010 19:49:59 GMT by kapri
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Nov 17, 2010 19:43:01 GMT
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There were slim pickings in the manifestos this time out if you are a Eurosceptic. Most of the tory "we will cancel this EU rule" was followed by "we will reintroduce another rule which says the exact same thing but will be called something more British sounding". Smoke and mirrors. Right now we (at work) are bidding in for £4m of EU money for local development work. Tories aren't going to rock those kinds of inward investment opportunities, and for the most part people don't know they go on so they don't see the money coming IN from EU only that going OUT. Its a funny game, politicians need to play it clever. Very funny game. get this back on track with some cool old garages and workshops     |
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Nov 17, 2010 19:47:11 GMT
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We need a deffinition of illegal, but it worries me.... My car has a cam, ported head, different carbs and exhaust (or will do when I finish it (which might not be until 2012 if I am honest). So does that mean I have to go back to stock?? How would and MOT man know if there is a chip, cam, head work etc? ? Much more info on this is needed. Lewis From what we currently know there are no restrictions in this country on tuning providing the vehicle passes the relevant emmission test ,both at MOT time and any subsequent VOSA road side checks. However there have been ongoing problems where some OEM have stated they own the software in the ECU and it always remains theirs even when you purchase the car and they will not allow it o be modified. Also on newer cars the taxation rate is based on OEM declared emmission levels / economy . |
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