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I think 3 years for first MOT is too long. The MOT is usually the only time that normal people are told that they have bulbs out/bald tyres. Also a worrying thing I heard from Citroen dealer mechanic is that they're now not allowed to tell the customer about any faults occuring that aren't part of the yearly service, due to people now being allowed to use (usually cheaper) specialists for repair work. Matt Yeah really. In this state, the wife's brand-new (white plastic sheeting and factory tags all-in) truck needed the equivalent of an MoT before it was driven off the dealer's lot, and requires one annually thereafter. Personally I think it's a good idea considering the general level of maintenance on vehicles between service or test. That and the sticker has to be displayed in the front screen. Nice and easy. --Phil
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Ok so this only effects cars with ecu's fair enough change the law (not to say I'm happy with it) but can't they put it in plain English what is allowed and what isn't I'll repeat that VOSA themselves are still working through the instructions from 'on high' to figure out what they actually mean in real terms and their application.
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its all about squeezeing money outa people, nothing to do with saveing the planet, safety etc. perpares for flameing Thats all it's ever about, the be green rubish is to make people ok with paying more for what they have already. The main reason the Gov want people using less fuel is that we now cant produce enough of our own. Global warming has been the best excuse Gov's have ever had to increase taxes. I'm sure a chipped ECU is worse for the planet thant erm..... China? hmmm.. Anyway, the 4 year then every 2 years there after isnt going to be supported by anyone surely? I'm all for making car's safer and a 2 year MOT is worrying to me. How long before all chips come with a MOT mode?
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Nov 18, 2010 11:34:10 GMT
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Odd one i know but that looks just like a garage near where i fish in Scotland (lochearnhead) do you know wher it was taken or website where you got it from...?
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The Internet, like all tools, if used improperly, can make a complete bo**cks of even the simplest jobs...
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Nov 18, 2010 11:46:02 GMT
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Nov 18, 2010 12:16:53 GMT
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I'll just reitterate thanks to Kev and all at The ACE. You guys are doing an awesome job of keeping control of the scaremongering and helping this stuff to be interpreted properly. I have a separate question that I'll fire off as a PM in a bit if I can't find an answer on your website actually...
Clearly, until VOSA come up with definitions of what is 'illegal', then there is no point worrying. I was thinking about this in bed last night (I'm a sad blighter) and could only come to the view that in a worst case scenario, it means I'm going to have to learn to build cars to a higher standard, and if 'illegal modifications' become an issue, I'll have to start building cars to meet BIVA standards. It's not a modification if that's how it was tested and registered.
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...proper medallion man chest wig motoring.
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Nov 18, 2010 12:45:09 GMT
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its all about squeezeing money outa people, nothing to do with saveing the planet, safety etc. perpares for flameing Thats all it's ever about, the be green rubish is to make people ok with paying more for what they have already. The main reason the Gov want people using less fuel is that we now cant produce enough of our own. Global warming has been the best excuse Gov's have ever had to increase taxes. I'm sure a chipped ECU is worse for the planet thant erm..... China? hmmm.. Anyway, the 4 year then every 2 years there after isnt going to be supported by anyone surely? I'm all for making car's safer and a 2 year MOT is worrying to me. How long before all chips come with a MOT mode? Couldn't agree more, I have always said that! Though this could work against the Gov too. There comes a point, particularly in these tight times, that garages won't be able to keep up with the legislation (there is bound to be new equipment to test new additions to the MOT) and they will say no more, and close. When there's only 10 stations in each town, the Gov will be in doo doo.....
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Nov 18, 2010 15:53:01 GMT
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Yeah thanks can just tell that if there wasn't someone like you people would be saying "all mods are illegal"
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Nov 18, 2010 18:30:41 GMT
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I'll just reitterate thanks to Kev and all at The ACE. You guys are doing an awesome job of keeping control of the scaremongering and helping this stuff to be interpreted properly. I have a separate question that I'll fire off as a PM in a bit if I can't find an answer on your website actually... Clearly, until VOSA come up with definitions of what is 'illegal', then there is no point worrying. I was thinking about this in bed last night (I'm a sad blighter) and could only come to the view that in a worst case scenario, it means I'm going to have to learn to build cars to a higher standard, and if 'illegal modifications' become an issue, I'll have to start building cars to meet BIVA standards. It's not a modification if that's how it was tested and registered. THIS. and while VOSA are thinking about what this means, we have ACE on side in order to keep them in check (to the best of their abilities!) Aceadvice you are very very much appreciated! Keep up the good work
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Nov 18, 2010 19:16:12 GMT
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Couldn't agree more, I have always said that! Though this could work against the Gov too. There comes a point, particularly in these tight times, that garages won't be able to keep up with the legislation (there is bound to be new equipment to test new additions to the MOT) and they will say no more, and close. When there's only 10 stations in each town, the Gov will be in doo doo..... 10 huge stations = easier to police
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Nov 18, 2010 19:20:14 GMT
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Couldn't agree more, I have always said that! Though this could work against the Gov too. There comes a point, particularly in these tight times, that garages won't be able to keep up with the legislation (there is bound to be new equipment to test new additions to the MOT) and they will say no more, and close. When there's only 10 stations in each town, the Gov will be in doo doo..... 10 huge stations = easier to police Isn't this how it's done in Ireland?
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Last Edit: Nov 18, 2010 19:20:44 GMT by Soopahfly
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Nov 18, 2010 20:12:58 GMT
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10 stations = a 3 week wait for a test! Not good if you realise it's out of test in the post office que.....
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Nov 18, 2010 20:25:33 GMT
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I feel a visit to my MP coming on. I want to do a turbo install on my car. Chip modiciaction will be needed. However given my car use motronic 1.3 there is no way for the tester to know if the ECU is shipped.
I really think these new rules are not a good idea.
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Nov 18, 2010 20:34:35 GMT
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10 stations = a 3 week wait for a test! Not good if you realise it's out of test in the post office que..... but it will be your responsibility to plan booking a test in good time so it can be fitted in before your current one runs out. much like if your current test/tax/insurance run out at a weekend, to make sure they're done beforehand so youre not driving round illegally for a day or two..............
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Nov 18, 2010 20:34:55 GMT
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Also just like to add, Thanks ACE.
Do people like VOSA put out consultation documents on these sorts of issues (like goverment do with building regulations)?
If they do, we would obviously all love to read the consultation document, and if appropriate provide feedback via an organisation like you guys to help us all.
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Nov 18, 2010 20:45:44 GMT
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10 stations = a 3 week wait for a test! Not good if you realise it's out of test in the post office que..... but it will be your responsibility to plan booking a test in good time so it can be fitted in before your current one runs out. much like if your current test/tax/insurance run out at a weekend, to make sure they're done beforehand so youre not driving round illegally for a day or two.............. Fantastic. Easy if you only have 1, but when you have 22 of the buggrs it's inevitable you will be caught out once or twice. Tax and MOT you get reminders for, and if you have something that was SORN'd with a test, it's all too easy to have it run out before you need it again. Or am I the only human on here?
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Nov 18, 2010 21:18:18 GMT
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oh, i know where your coming from, ive been ticketed for no test in the past before myself, because i simply didnt know it had run out. but simple answer from powers that be was 'its your responsibility to keep on top of it'. and i mean, who in their right mind has more than one car, come on, no-one needs more than one! but you can bet your life what i posted up there will be the authoritive answer
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Nov 18, 2010 21:30:00 GMT
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I feel a visit to my MP coming on. I want to do a turbo install on my car. Chip modiciaction will be needed. However given my car use motronic 1.3 there is no way for the tester to know if the ECU is shipped. I really think these new rules are not a good idea. Total waste of time on so many levels I'm afraid. 1) You MP wil have no idea what you are talking about ( Law or mechanics ) 2) Even if he does there is nothing he can do about it as it's in the hands of DfT 3) It's already ratified, it's law ..all we are sorting now is the application. Sorry.
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Nov 18, 2010 21:34:39 GMT
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Also just like to add, Thanks ACE. Do people like VOSA put out consultation documents on these sorts of issues (like goverment do with building regulations)? If they do, we would obviously all love to read the consultation document, and if appropriate provide feedback via an organisation like you guys to help us all. They do put out Consultation Documents on matters that are sorted in this country and involve our laws /regualtions. In this case it is an EU directive and 'has' to be actioned. The only items for discussion is how to actually make the rules workable and the main feature of that is that it will be cost neutral ie MOT costs won't go up but obviously the trade feels the test will take longer. We are attempting get clarification on the actual meaning of the regs from those involved at EU level to ensure the correct method of application and will liaise with Government depratments where neccesary.
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Nov 18, 2010 21:36:42 GMT
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but it will be your responsibility to plan booking a test in good time so it can be fitted in before your current one runs out. much like if your current test/tax/insurance run out at a weekend, to make sure they're done beforehand so youre not driving round illegally for a day or two.............. Fantastic. Easy if you only have 1, but when you have 22 of the buggrs it's inevitable you will be caught out once or twice. Tax and MOT you get reminders for, and if you have something that was SORN'd with a test, it's all too easy to have it run out before you need it again. Or am I the only human on here? Calenders and desk diaries are your friends I only have 7 to keep on top of.
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