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I'd like to know how many people on here have any knowledge of pre-selector gearboxes, freewheel clutches, overdrives, dynamos, trafficators, vacuum powered wipers, knock off hubs, lever arm dampers etc etc. You can't blame a young lad for never having had to have served anyone needing carb parts, next time he'll know. Urm, yes, basic knowledge of them, my dads has had stuff with dynamo, ive owned freewheel clutch cars (citroens of the 60's) etc etc I'm 32. I refer back to my earlier posts. In my mind you have to be interested in a subject to be studying it right? If you were really interested then surely you would have learnt these things earlier then your 2nd year degree ? I'm not saying walk away, don't teach people, we all need to learn. Just that if you 'really' have the interest the it seems you should have more knowledge from your own enquiries.
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Eh? What?! Putting on twin carbs and only using half of each one? The mind boggles. With reference to odd numbers of carbs, back in the old days the choice of carburettors was fairly limited, you couldn't just go down to a speed shop and buy what you wanted in 50cfm increments. Famously, in Australia there was an old race Beetle running three Amal motorcycle carbs on a common manifold into a 36hp engine, and also a Ford Falcon six cylinder running five Amal bike carbs.
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Eh? What?! Putting on twin carbs and only using half of each one? The mind boggles. Straightest possible intake manifold ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) No bends, no curves - just straight in with the mixture! And if rules permit only a single throttle - at least a well flowing carb... ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) ![](http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4282/clipboard01owy.jpg) Cheers, Jan
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stinkwheel
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1973 Citroen Dyane 6 1980 Citroen Acadiane 1992 Citroen AX 1990 Citroen BX 1997 Citroen XM 1993 Citroen BX 1997 Citroen Xantia 1977 Citroen Ami 8 1996 Ford Escort 1989 Citroen BX 1997 Suzuki RF900 1988 Yamaha TDR250 1979 Honda CB400. 'I need less vehicles'
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10mpg
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I'd like to know how many people on here have any knowledge of pre-selector gearboxes, freewheel clutches, overdrives, dynamos, trafficators, vacuum powered wipers, knock off hubs, lever arm dampers etc etc. You can't blame a young lad for never having had to have served anyone needing carb parts, next time he'll know. I have a good knowledge of all those things, rebuilt most of them personally many times, though not to clued up about lever arm dampers beyond topping the oil up and checking for wear, bar an AMV8 a midget and a couple of MGB's my car history goes straight from friction dampers to telescopics. Whilst I'm nearly 30 now I would have known at least what most of them were aged 17 and had good working knowledge of most of them by 25. Like has been said before on this thread, thank god for books...
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Last Edit: Nov 2, 2010 10:40:10 GMT by 10mpg
The Internet, like all tools, if used improperly, can make a complete bo**cks of even the simplest jobs...
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![](http://x-files.serveftp.com/paulharkerdesign/personalgallery/albums/Sprite/IMGP0939.sized.jpg) Oh, and o/ds and preselectors are great! Both are also good for confusing passengers ;D
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to be honest, most people in halfords etc are doing it just because its a job, do you think people in spar have a genuine interest in mass produced food products and dvds??
if you want a personalised and well informed service go to a specialist, its harsh but its how things are now
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Last Edit: Nov 2, 2010 11:47:30 GMT by gouldygtr
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! On another note - do any of us know how to service a steam engine boiler, or know the major hits of the '20s Jazz scene? If people don't know something, educate them, its surprisingly fulfilling when they get it ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) I dunno about servicing a steam boiler, but Rhapsody In Blue was a hit in the 1920's and so was the original version of Mack the Knife. These are things I knew anyway thanks to my late Dad, and hand on heart I still listen to Robert Johnson's stuff, which is 1930's Delta Blues ;D But on a serious note if a person has a mind to learn, they'll be receptive if you can lay out the fact s to them. The more I think about it, we're all arrogantly presuming everyone should know the workings of our old cars just because we do. I'd like to know how many people on here have any knowledge of pre-selector gearboxes, freewheel clutches, overdrives, dynamos, trafficators, vacuum powered wipers, knock off hubs, lever arm dampers etc etc. You can't blame a young lad for never having had to have served anyone needing carb parts, next time he'll know. I'd admit I only have a peripheral knowledge of some of the items you've mentioned, but I have the mental skills to know where to look for info. I wish that the companies would teach the mindset that there will be customers coming in with requests for parts you've never heard of for cars you've never heard of. I was taught that the first step on the road to Wisdom was knowing that you don't know everything and being humble enough to ask for knowledge. And let's go with the classics: ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) ![](http://www.speedace.info/speedace_images/Carburettors_1961_Ferrari_250_TR_61_Spyder_Fantuzzi_engine.jpg) ![](http://www.ardyaraniphotography.com/images/zoom/IMG_0370%20B2%20straight%20IIb%20%20ii.jpg) ![](http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q97/imacfarlane/P7280068.jpg) ![](http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z245/mberescik/09_MiuraSVEngine-L.jpg) Although I think after all of the exposure in this thread, they need some time off: ![](http://i627.photobucket.com/albums/tt357/BiAStech/Weberdesktop.jpg)
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Last Edit: Nov 2, 2010 11:55:34 GMT by e21meister
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Amazo, I am properly "LOL"ing at that last image ;D I can't wait to give these babies a go.... ![](http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa65/sethke/Morris%20Oxford/Engine/Img_7972.jpg) ![](http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa65/sethke/Morris%20Oxford/Engine/Img_7977.jpg) (Yes that's an overdrive before anyone thinks its a blower but that's the only shot I've got of the carbs)Other fabrication... ![](http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa65/sethke/Triumph%20Herald/Mechanical/EngineSwap/Img_5591.jpg)
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I agree with people saying that students or apprentices should be clued-up with their field.
But I don't think it's fair comparing it with "I could do engine swaps for me peewee dragster by the time I was 6 1/2 (then go home for my alphabites and Beanz)" Who here who learned early DIDN'T have someone close to teach them and provide them with kit?
You can't be a pro racing driver if your parents didn't put you in the seat of a kart the second you were out of nappies.
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LowStandards
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I expect someone working on the parts counter of Halfords to know what there on about. I work in IT - for my sins - and i'm quite sure i wouldn't of even got the job if i'd wandered in only knowing how to switch an XBox on.
I know these are young people who are only after a job, but thats a failure on Halfrauds part not employing the right people!
Frankly frustrates the hell out of me trying to get anything of use from them!
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I didnt think that this would end up as popular as it is... some very good arguments though. and some loooooooooovely pictures ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Keep calm and carry on
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stealthstylz
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I don't think kids/teenagers these days do the "fun" stuff I and many my age did as a youngster. Fun stuff for me was going out and building huge bofires, riding all variety of stripped motorbikes around and fixing them when they broke, ragging cars round farmers fields (and a bit on the road lol), building all manner of daft go karts etc etc. Nobody seems to do this much any more, you still see the odd kid on a pit bike when I go home to my mums, but there used to be a gang of 15-20 of us out at the same time. The police also have more laws that could knacker your chances in later life if caught. Also helping my dad fix whatever his daily driver/fun car was at the time was a massive help. Again unless your parents are into retro cars this is something else that has disappeared, mainly because new cars are so hard to work on.
Matt
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I expect someone working on the parts counter of Halfords to know what there on about. I work in IT - for my sins - and i'm quite sure I wouldn't of even got the job if i'd wandered in only knowing how to switch an XBox on. I know these are young people who are only after a job, but thats a failure on Halfrauds part not employing the right people! Frankly frustrates the hell out of me trying to get anything of use from them! The problem with Halfords is that they recently implemented a whole load of changes and a lot of experienced staff left. The sales for this year are also down massively, so managers are expected to keep some off their wage budget back to help towards overall profits, hence employing a load of 16/17 yr olds on 7hr contracts at £4.66 p/h. Luckily our store wasn't too bad, anybody who wasn't up to scratch we trained to do specific jobs (paint mixing and number plates etc) rather than expecting them to know what every part of a car is. Some stores sent em out fitting bulbs straight away, and i'm now getting 4-5 customer cars in a week from other stores which they've broken and i'm fixing. Matt
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You can only learn from either doing or watching/helping other people. I seem to be able retain massive amounts of useless 'learnt/read' knowledge but have very little practical experience. I have only recently been able to buy a house with a garage and get a fun car to play with. Up till then it was essential I had a car for work and I couldn't afford to mess with it trying to do summat and then it going wrong. Now I can strip down a carb and if/when I jolly pain in the backside it up I can spend a few weeks fixing it. Plus me mate built a kit car and runs a 60's Daimler for his everyday car so we spend most weekends fixing that. If you ain't got the chance you won't get the experience so you won't know how. How do you turn on an x-box? ![](http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr70/borednow/carbs/P1010846.jpg)
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Last Edit: Nov 2, 2010 13:15:51 GMT by borednow
1980 Derby GLS 1992 Rover 216 Gti - Sold 2006 Hilux - Sold (boo hoo) need a 2wd pickup. Anyone? 2009 Avensis Tourer - Gone 1993 Mk1 Golf Cabby 1983 mk1 golf. Project rust bucket 1998 Toyota Corolla. Project crash repair 2007 Volvo V70. Daily for sale!
Looking for a winter project - any suggestions?
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I don't think kids/teenagers these days do the "fun" stuff I and many my age did as a youngster... As you say, the problem with a lot of the 'fun' which people used to have in the old days is that a lot of it is policed more hotly and you will get arrested! Kids riding motorbikes around in quarries and such should be good clean fun in my opinion but the police are very keen on catching them in my local quarries. Riding/driving on the road unlicensed as a youngster is even more heavily frowned on, even if it is a go-kart which you built yourself. As for bonfires, fixing dad's car and suchlike, I'm all for it but I think that a lot of kids are more easily distracted by TV and video games and would prefer to do that. I'm somewhere in the middle, having definitely had my fair share of 'screen time' and yet also enjoying helping Dad with handyman-type jobs on weekends like carpentry, fixing plumbing, paving and so forth. A lot of other young blokes my age can't say that they've ever poured a concrete slab at home and written their name in it with a stick, which I think is a terribly sad thing. For goodness sake, I know men in their 20s who have never used a razor and only know how to shave with an electric shaver! As a whole, society is truly losing it's manual skills.
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I'm 23, we never had a TV at home until I was 13 or 14. I used to help my dad bleed the brakes on the car, fix the bikes, build stuff in the garden, etc, etc. I had access to a shed full of tools and although they often got intoxicated off at me not putting them back, my parents never stopped me using them. I think that was a great way to grow up, because now I'm not afraid to get stuck in with something I have no idea about, I learn best by doing. I'll take something apart, work out how it works, and then I know roughly what could go wrong with it, so if it ever breaks, I at least have a vague idea of what the problem could be. Some of my mates blindly pay the garage hundreds for simple stuff. My girlfriends mate had a blown bulb on her Corsa. Her dad didn't even know how to change it and in the end my girlfriend did it for him! That was a proud moment for me considering she knew naff all about cars when I met her ;D The thing that annoys me most is how car spares places always ask for your registration number. I had a Rover 100 with a 1.8 K series out of an MG TF. I went to buy a cambelt for it once. They asked for the registration number, I explained that it wasnt the original engine, so if I gave them the registration number, I would get given the wrong part (Original engine was 8v, MG lump was 16v). Their reply? So whats your registration number? ![:-X](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/lipssealed.png) ![](http://oldholden.com/ohfiles/images/IMG_1966.preview.jpg)
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Yeh the Reg number thing can get annoying - in fact have even gone so far as to get the reg number of a suitable car before going just to make things easier! The conversations with parts people car be very funny - often with me it ends in "how many cars have you got?!" "Oh this is all for one, it's just made from lots of cars" ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Oh yes! - "Hellooo - I need a dizzy cap & rotor for a 1.3l Mini" - "1.3...?" - "Aust... Rover Mini. Mini Cooper. Old one..." - "*DUH* Reg number?" - "Doesn't matter. It's useless. It's a '84 with a '92 engine and Metro dizzy which is the same as with any 1.3 Mini from 1990 onwards so I just need one that fit's into that period. 1.3 Metro or Mini, 1985 to 1996" - "...er... er... Duh - erm - Ok... Cn I see the reg number??" - "It's wrong and wont get me my parts..." - "*Ooofff...* - erm - er - well, Ok, I'll have a look..." *10 Minutes later* - "Ok, I got something... Rover Mini cabriolet 1.3, 1991 to 1992" - "Yeah, that's fine! Thanks! How much?" - "Er - but it's for a cabrio..." - "Doesn't matter, alll the same" - "Don't now - you sure...?" - "---" In the end I got Ford parts, but they did fit. ;D And I only got them after I reassured the poor guy at least 5 times that I take the parts, no matter what. I usually avoid to buy spares in normal car shops - it's just too annoying. But ordering via the interwebs can tak it's time - sometimes it's neccesary to go out there and fight for you spare parts ;D ![](http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/1457/asfittedtomk10s.jpg) But this one looks better with mechanical Lucas fuel injection: ![](http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/258/angsgi.jpg) Cheers, Jan
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