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Oct 20, 2010 10:02:31 GMT
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Hello folks,
I haven't been on here in ages due in large to other life comitments but have now come back asking for some help.
I'm reaching a bit of a crisis and need to finish and flog most of my little fleet. I've already moved the old VW Camper on to pastures new and am presently concentrating on the Escort. Then it'll either be the Cos-tina or 'Bratwurst', the old BMW.
Anyway, I am adamant that I'm going to have something old and cool to play with so have devised a cunning plan to con the wife with.
A zero taxation class people carrier that can carry 10 to 12 people depending on model and cheap insurance.
If you haven't already figured it out, I'm refering to a tax exempt LandRover Series 2a Station Wagon! Just annual MOT to pay for, monthly insurance premium alongside existing policy for the daily and fuel which will be helped along by my LPG kit presently sat in the shed.
However, she might need a bit of convincing so I'm asking if any of you have any decent pictures of tidy Series 2 Station Wagons to help soften the blow a little when I show her my intentions.
Any help would be most greatfully received and fully appreciated.
It must be Series 2 though, not the Series 3 with plastic grill or even the late model Series 2s, I want the lights in centre panel and metal dash model please.
Cheers,
Smiler.
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Seth
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Oct 20, 2010 12:01:59 GMT
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Stuff Land Rovers, the best way to carry people in style is a 'burb. Or a Multipla!  |
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Smiler
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Oct 20, 2010 12:03:21 GMT
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Sadly not on my budget!
Besides, I'd be afraid to use those in case it got scratched or dented or the kids made a mess.
They are very cool though.
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www.Auto-tat.co.uk'96 Range Rover P38 DSE (daily driver) '71 Reliant Scimitar SE5 GTE 3.0ltr Jag V6 Conversion '79 Reliant Scimitar SE6A 3.0ltr 24valve Omega Conversion '85 Escort Cabrio 2.0 Zetec - Sold '91 BMW 525i - Sold '82 Cortina 2.9i Ghia Cosworth - Sold '72 VW Campervan - Sold '65 LandRover 88" - Sold
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Oct 20, 2010 12:20:33 GMT
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Oct 20, 2010 12:35:31 GMT
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dicky seats are perfect for rear-end death toll
don't worry about the tax - its only 200 a year - buy something safe to transport your family
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Oct 20, 2010 12:48:29 GMT
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You may save some beans on tax with a Landy but you'll pay that back at the pumps. Unless you put a tdi in, good mpg but makes a racket. Slow too, whether thats an issue depends on your journeys of course. The ride is pretty harsh, it's absolutely fine on most roads, but holes/bumps etc do chuck you about a bit. Parts are v.cheap. Not sure on S2 SW prices.
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Oct 20, 2010 13:06:05 GMT
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dicky seats are perfect for rear-end death toll Have you seen the rear row of seats in a Zafira or similar modern micro-sized people mover? Absolutely no safer than '60s dicky seats in my opinion, the rearmost passengers' heads are often less than 100mm away from the rear window. I reckon the major worry kids had with the old dicky seats was that the rear window was usually wound down, allowing exhaust gases in to flood the rear cabin! |
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Oct 20, 2010 13:09:54 GMT
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don't worry about the tax - its only 200 a year - buy something safe to transport your family Sorry to be boring, but I concur. |
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Oct 20, 2010 13:17:24 GMT
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Does it really need to seat 10 - 12 people? If not, but you still want more seats than a normal car, then how about a pre '73 Volvo 145? These were the first Volvo model available with the rear facing seats in the boot.
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Oct 20, 2010 13:20:09 GMT
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don't worry about the tax - its only 200 a year - buy something safe to transport your family Sorry to be boring, but I concur. It's funny how people are willing to risk their own lives by driving in old cars, even if they have families to provide for, but they often think differently about letting their family physically travel in the car with them. Go for it I say. The risk of having a major crash is so small that I don't think it should be a governing factor in your decision. If we all lived our lives governed by fear then we would all stay at home in bomb shelters and never have a life worth living at all. |
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Smiler
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I no longer own anything FWD! Or with less than 6 cylinders, or 2.5ltrs! :)
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Oct 20, 2010 13:22:29 GMT
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Thanks for the replies. I was looking at LandRovers as I've had one in the past ('65 Series 2a SWB) and really quite fancied another. It won't get used all that often so fuel won't be a huge issue. It's chances of survival on the fleet however will be much improved if the annual bills are low as they pop up on the radar as a bigger blip. It's also very doubtful that the very rear seats will be occupied all that often, that's more of a bargaining point.
I love the idea of the old school station wagon too but again, apart from cost keeping it tidy would spoil the fun a bit.
I'm really after something that I'm not going to get too worried about and get narked about at each new dent or worry about rust bubbling through the arches. (Yes, I know Landies rust aswell but I'll make sure the Chassis, Bulkhead and front panel are good first).
The agricultural nature of the Landy means that dents and scratches actualy add to its asthetics.
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www.Auto-tat.co.uk'96 Range Rover P38 DSE (daily driver) '71 Reliant Scimitar SE5 GTE 3.0ltr Jag V6 Conversion '79 Reliant Scimitar SE6A 3.0ltr 24valve Omega Conversion '85 Escort Cabrio 2.0 Zetec - Sold '91 BMW 525i - Sold '82 Cortina 2.9i Ghia Cosworth - Sold '72 VW Campervan - Sold '65 LandRover 88" - Sold
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Oct 20, 2010 13:33:38 GMT
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rob0r
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Oct 20, 2010 13:37:20 GMT
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I think it's a great idea. Seeing first hand how Land Rovers handle accident damage I can't see any safety concerns!
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Smiler
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Oct 20, 2010 13:53:08 GMT
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Thanks for the pics, they should certainly help. Practicarly all Series 3's attract road tax. Money isn't so big an issue that it should stop me from finding a series 2 model. I also prefer them to the series 3 for some reason, just one of those things. But the lack of having to pay road tax each year is a real bonus in the justification stakes. That's the big bill she'll see each year that comes in a lump sum. MOT each year is relatively minor compared to tax and fuel and insurance she won't see coming out as that comes straight from my personal account.
So to sum up, yes I have pretty much made my mind up on a Series 2a Landrover Station Wagon (prehaps the thread title was throwing people off a bit).
The people carrier bit is to make the idea attractive to the missus about getting one.
The Tax Free bit is also to make it more attractive.
It's not likely to spend much time ferrying around any more people than wife and two kids and even then not that often.
I also reckon the kids will love it!
Thanks again for all the replies, including those voicing concerns.
Smiler.
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www.Auto-tat.co.uk'96 Range Rover P38 DSE (daily driver) '71 Reliant Scimitar SE5 GTE 3.0ltr Jag V6 Conversion '79 Reliant Scimitar SE6A 3.0ltr 24valve Omega Conversion '85 Escort Cabrio 2.0 Zetec - Sold '91 BMW 525i - Sold '82 Cortina 2.9i Ghia Cosworth - Sold '72 VW Campervan - Sold '65 LandRover 88" - Sold
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Oct 20, 2010 14:38:45 GMT
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My daily transport for a while was a Series 3 109 station wagon, a Stage 1 with V8 and permanent 4WD. The kids loved it, we could get the whole family plus the kids’ bikes in the back and obviously in the snow it was perfect.
I was waiting to pull onto a roundabout once, thought there was a gap so lifted the clutch then saw another car coming fast and braked. The car behind me didn’t. There was bits of Peugeot 206 spread all over the road; smashed headlight, plastic radiator grille, bits of bumper and the bonnet had a very nasty crease in it.
I thought she’d chipped some paint off the Landie’s rear crossmember, but it was actually Peugeot paint on there. I flicked it off with my fingernail and drove home. The kids in their child seats were curious to what happened (even a walking pace crash is very noisy) but they’d forgotten all about it by the next day.
Best not to crash at all of course, but I'm sure you know that.
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Oct 20, 2010 15:20:29 GMT
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I seem to remember something about carrying more than 9 passnegers makes the vehicle a bus anyway?
Big strong old cars don't automatically make you safe, you can still be injured by internal parts, even the seat belts can hurt you, thats why modern cars fall to bits, to absorb the impact of the crash.
Its ok in a low speed crash, my cousin rammed my mk2 granny in his Sierra which collapsed at the front and all it did to the granny was lift the rear bumper enough to chip the back light, had something hit me hard though there would have been far more chance of whiplash or my knees breaking on the dash etc etc.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Oct 20, 2010 15:27:42 GMT
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rob0r
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Oct 20, 2010 15:50:55 GMT
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My girlfriend walked away from this after being run off the road, I can't say she would of done if it was in a typical modern crumple box.   She hit the reinforced concrete post at 30mph and took out about 4-5 of them, as well the metal scaffolding type poles between them. She was still taken to hospital in an ambulance nonetheless, but had she been lower down in a less substantial car then I hate to think what the result would of been. The Land Rover is going to take less than a day to fix right. I also caused an accident in the defender above and absolutely devasted the Fiesta I hit from behind, I tweaked the bumper of the Land Rover... They get my safety vote. |
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Smiler
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Oct 20, 2010 16:06:50 GMT
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Thanks for the further responses. I see saftey seems to be a bit of a hot topic. I have no qualms about the safety aspect of the vehicle in question. The annual milegae it will acrue with the wife and kids on board will not be great and the speeds encounter will rarely be rather modest.
As for the licence, I have already looked into that aspect and thanks to me starting to advance a bit (over thirty, oh hell!) my licence covers catagory D1 which covers mini-buses. Not that there should be any issue as if there is a problem I'll just remove one of the side facing rear benches.
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