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Feb 23, 2006 21:51:24 GMT
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what shows?
I must admit a lot of the shows I don't go to anymore because static events bore me.
Retro Cars @ the Pod has only been going a couple of years and is huge.
Loads of show events were cutting back the amount of space each club could have due to over-subscription. I'm talking about Bromley and the NEC show and the like. I was involved with the club scene for a bit and still am to a lesser extent.
A lot of the autojumbles now have showgrounds attached which get well busy.
Events like Thorney Island now grown so big they can't go back to the same venue!
Moparnats and other events such like are getting more cars every year.
Which shows are dying and why?
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Feb 23, 2006 21:53:25 GMT
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[rev9 rant mode] The trouble is that much of the retro scene revolves around things other than spending huge wads on your car. The younger Paxo/Corsa brigade are basically spazzing their loads over their cars in order to show off how much disposable income they have. Much of the top Retro ford/VW scene is the same, big money, big budgets, just look at the cost of a scabby Mk1 Escort shell these days. While young people are continually brainwashed into living some mad consumerist dream then the bottom end of the scene will struggle. There's no selling to people who want to tool around in a 20 year old Nissun Sunny or battered Golf, so no marketing and no kudos for being in the scene. It's easier to follow th ebright lights and shiny beads of the modern kits 'n' wheels scene. It also takes a certain character to kick out against the trend, the sad fact is that while many young lads think that their pride and joy is a statement of their own special individuality, the exact opposite is actually true. [/rev9 rant mode]
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This space available to rent. Reach literally dozens of people. Cheap rates!
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Feb 23, 2006 22:11:53 GMT
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Retro cars is one of the best shows EVAR!
As for thorney island, i went there last year on the off chance (I'm only a few miles down the road) and it was massive! What an event!
I have to agree with 104, ingenuity isnt rewarded enough, and so just isnt seen. People like Racer should be praised and given space to write in magazines, the amount of cars he gets through and things he gets up to!
Too much space and time is given to people who put no effort into their cars and just throw money at them, making 'professionals' do all the work. It really rialls (sp?) me! Then again i do like to take advantage of this situation, and get unknown cars work hard on them and end up with something that really is unique!
J
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Feb 23, 2006 22:21:33 GMT
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Retro Cars was indeed the show of 2006, but it's been rolled into the classic scene for 2007 as the flat cap and shiny radiator cap brigade are a more easily identified market than us. It's easy to sell to a classic MGB owner as they all want the same thing, a shiny MGB. Look at the imps on here, every one is totally different. How on earth are you supposed to sell to people like that!
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This space available to rent. Reach literally dozens of people. Cheap rates!
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Feb 23, 2006 22:23:41 GMT
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Ive got a funny feeling this will be the only year that the classic scene will be attached to the retro scene, they will be scared off by the amount of personality that our cars have. Also the amount of personality that the owners have!
J
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Feb 23, 2006 22:53:17 GMT
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I can't see many of the classic brigade hitting the strip at RCS, its gonna be interesting to see how it works out.
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I can't see many of the classic brigade hitting the strip at RCS, its gonna be interesting to see how it works out. If I had the space and a little bit of money I'd be tempted to do a full on low budget Garuchan/Boso Mk2 Granada ... just for the fun of taking it to the Retro Cars and Classics and stuff Show,...
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Feb 24, 2006 10:05:06 GMT
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HoTWire ^ this must be done. As for the shows, depends what scene we are talking about. I was amazed with this years VW North West show last year i'd left a few years back with predictable; beetles, campers, and the odd fast back and buggy. now its mutated to full on retro polos golfs, audi's etc. WOW. Some older scenes are dying and changing because some olders don't accept the youngers. However som olders embrace younger guys and they are IMO life-long-cool-dudes. The Barry scene is of course horrible as an whole giving all young lads and new small cars a bad name, there is however some decent newish cars, and some clever people in between. Its growing if you ask me.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Feb 24, 2006 11:13:18 GMT
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from just this thread it shows how many young RR'ers there are. myself including (only 19), i can name at least 5 people i know my age or younger that own something old. i reckon itll get bigger, as long as you old folk don't outprice us out of the market with your weekend cars
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Feb 24, 2006 11:15:26 GMT
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I think it's clubs that are dieing off
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Feb 24, 2006 11:20:45 GMT
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another thing to consider is simply the number of shows these days, there seems to be more shows every year and 'show goers' simply cant afford to do them all.
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Feb 24, 2006 11:32:21 GMT
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Round where I live for a short while from about 1999 till 2003 the various vehicle 'Show Scene' died off a little bit because of criticising of the condition of peoples vehicles. At the shows there started getting people who thought that every car/vehcile on display must be in Concours or near concours condition . If the car was not 'perfect' then "it should not really be here!" Friends and I got fed up with these people coming over and saying things like "hmmm your door will need replacing in the future etc", so I would (politely) point out I use my vehicles all year round/through winter and that they ARE my/my families daily transport! To which they would say "Ah well thats were your doing it wrong etc." To which my repliy would be "So how am I SUPPOSED TO GET TO WORK?" So I gave up going to shows and enjoyed my vehicles for me Thankfully in the last two year the show scene has really took of again (as some of my posts have shown) and the 'Bigheads' seem to have vanished ...... ...for now
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Feb 24, 2006 11:46:48 GMT
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I think it's clubs that are dieing off Old fashioned clubs i recon. I'm not officailly in any club, don't want to have cheesy weekly meets, but being here and similar places is good. I do my thing for me really and don't like to be pushed into any box (having said that som Volvo club members were cool when i was younger). Although My Sierra is not ready and 'not special' to some people i will show for the first time at RCS (CARS) this year (hopefully, if i can) on the RR stand.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Feb 24, 2006 12:17:32 GMT
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I have heard from a number of sources that the club scene is having a hard time. The problem is that 10 years ago if you wanted to run an older car you needed to be in the club for technical info, for parts, for meeting like-minded folk to give you the enthusiasm.
Now we have the internet for all of that.
And it doesn't charge £25 a year membership and insist you wear a tie to the AGM.
Clubbs are having a hard time adjusting to the new climate and some of them are having real problems.
Also some of the older model clubs have another problem. Some time ago I was involved in the Vauxhall club scene and The F type Victor Owners CLub had always been one of the bigger clubs with a loyal membership. Their membership secretary was talking to me about shrinking numbers and when I looked surprised he said "I keep getting letters saying dear sir now my husband has passed away he will not be renewing his membership" I thnk their members average age was like 70! Price of F types started to fall quite a bit a few years ago, can't help wonder if its because most of the people who owned them were dying and thus more coming onto the market and not so many buyers as they were all getting eldery too...
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Feb 24, 2006 12:53:34 GMT
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We've discussed the club thing before and came to similar conclusions I think. I'd certainly heard this being the case with 50's motors in general, they only tend to get picked up by younger enthusiasts if there's some kind of associated modifying/racing thing there.
(Maybe now is the time to snap up a few bargains from that era? I keep having thoughts about those big old Wolseleys from then.)
Following that argument through to its logical conclusion, there should be very few people interested in vintage and veteran stuff, yet somehow that keeps going doesn't it?
Anyway, as far as I'm concerned there are more than enough shows for my limited free time. However, do agree that static shows can be a bit dull unless you've got a few likeminded bods there to talk curse word with all day.
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Feb 24, 2006 13:08:11 GMT
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Talking to a guy who sells a lot of NOS stuff in the states and he says the prices of 1930s stuff has nosedived, he can hardly shift the stuff. But he can't get enough of 1960s muscle car parts and the prices are through the roof. Kind of mirrors whats going n over here with Mk1 Escorts and early Capris etc.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Feb 24, 2006 15:02:22 GMT
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I have heard from a number of sources that the club scene is having a hard time. The problem is that 10 years ago if you wanted to run an older car you needed to be in the club for technical info, for parts, for meeting like-minded folk to give you the enthusiasm. Now we have the internet for all of that. And it doesn't charge £25 a year membership and insist you wear a tie to the AGM. Clubbs are having a hard time adjusting to the new climate and some of them are having real problems. Very good point & I agree with you on this. However, some clubs are managing to use the internet to their advantage - eg the Midget & Sprite Club now has two new regional meetings which all grew from a Spridget forum, including plenty of younger members. Although it's mainly the older guys who are responsible for building the most extreme spridgets, with all the latest performance goodies etc, the recent star of the club stand at a few shows has been an extremely well engineered Midget with a Rover V8 and Sierra XR4x4 running gear, built by someone not much older than me. I'm sure that many other clubs are doing the same, but the most important issue is making any newcomers welcome, and the old hands sharing their wisdom, guidance and enthusiasm. Certain models of car will always be desirable - eg of the prewar stuff, anything that is VSCC eligible will always have a strong following, as the VSCC is thriving with a very healthy membership cross section.
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Feb 24, 2006 19:44:42 GMT
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maybe some of the static shows just charge too much ! i know how much it costs to put shows on but theres a limit on how much profit you need to make suely ?
not into quarter mileing myself , but do enjoy watching it and i agree with not likeing the (big heads) they do nothing to help the new comers at all ,
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