Mark
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What about throwing in a nippy diesel. It'd be different!
My suggestion would be a Corsa 1.5td engine. It's 67bhp out of the box, and from what I've read in the past very tuneable. I'm pretty sure the "screw mod" works well on this engine too. It'll give 52mpg in a corsa too which isn't too shabby. I'd expect a bit more economy from the fiesta too as it's 25% lighter!
A complete car car be picked up for sub £250, so take everything you need, sell a few bits on ebay then weigh in the rest!
A fettled one accelerating 0-170km/h:
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I think the 1.4 k series is still a great suggestion, meets the tax bracket stipulation, (if read carefully that was the one you wanted, power output was what you were aiming for, not the requirement am I right?). Head gaskets are nowhere near as bad as made out, certainly no worse than vauxhalls for overheating and spitting their dummy out IMO. Performance won't be that dissimilar to a Metro Gti due to the vehicle weight, plus a very brief look on ebay shows sub £250 donors in Rover 200 guise.
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Dec 17, 2010 13:34:20 GMT
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Wow, engines really get you lot talking.. And you all have valid points so I shall reply to you all I'll give you something to hinder your thoughts. nothing other than a crossflow/cvh/valencia and just about a zetec will fit in that engine bay with anything other than the original 4-speed gearbox, unless the chosen gearbox is particularly small. you will need to cut and weld the chassis rails for clearance, bashing them won't create enough room. then theres the costs of driveshafts, fwd shafts cost a fortune to adapt with different cv's on the end and different lengths. fiestas are a pain in the . I considered a rotary as they are tiny, and using my ford gearbox. lot of work but would be damn good. its a case of going looking at engines and carefully measuring up, or finding some proper engine drawings for dimensions. Cheers for the input I'm going to deliberately ignore the 'only x engines will fit' bit since I'm likely to try combinations that wouldn't normally be considered by Ford people p.s plz dnt put any thing other than ford in her lol an a k series with just blow up lol (headgasket) maybe use a 1.4 cvh engine out of a fiesta mk3? drive shafts gearbox an selector will all fit with no probs, (i fitted a mk1 engine in to my mk 3 shell) Plenty of people build Fords using all Ford stuff. I don't even like Fords ;D I'd also argue that a K Series will not just blow up. A poorly maintained one will, but that's another matter Rotary power! Please do it. Even the Non-Turbo version would be a pretty cool swap, nippy without ridiculous amounts of power. Another thought from the Mazda stable would be the 1.6 from the Mx5... I reckon that would be a great swap in something Fiesta sized. If you want to go completely stupid then I always dreamed of a S2000 powered, RWD Mk1 when I was younger. How much do you want me to use the words 'fuel consumption' and the acronym 'IVA'? ;D Pat (with the mid mounted, supercharged VVC Imp) fitted a VVC into his brothers Mk2 festa a year or 2 back. It went in fairly well and the wiring isn't too scary either. The drive shafts aren't too expensive to get made either (try searching on 16vmini, someone will point you in the direction of a set for a good price). Go for it I say Another thought (if physical size is an issue), the nova 4 speed box is pretty short, and the 1.4 16v corsa engine is a cracker (and cheap) Very interesting.. Do you know if the build was documented online at all? Did I see a stipulation for an engine in the 75-100bhp bracket...? Personally I think a 1.25 16v from a Mk4> fester would go well.. nice and light, revvy, good specific output. Best part its, it wasn't designed by ford (Yamaha I believe) so it's not sh*t There is a possibility I'd be missing out through my insistance on 'Not Ford', though I'm going to stick to my guns out of stubbornness and a desire for something a bit different (It's not even my car.. but I'm in charge of mechanics and Bec is in charge of 'visual direction') What about throwing in a nippy diesel. It'd be different! My suggestion would be a Corsa 1.5td engine. It's 67bhp out of the box, and from what I've read in the past very tuneable. I'm pretty sure the "screw mod" works well on this engine too. It'll give 52mpg in a corsa too which isn't too shabby. I'd expect a bit more economy from the fiesta too as it's 25% lighter! A complete car car be picked up for sub £250, so take everything you need, sell a few bits on ebay then weigh in the rest! A fettled one accelerating 0-170km/h: This sort of idea is right up my street, though I don't know if it would be up Bec's. I'll discuss the benefits of heavy oil with her and see what she reckons. I think the 1.4 k series is still a great suggestion, meets the tax bracket stipulation, (if read carefully that was the one you wanted, power output was what you were aiming for, not the requirement am I right?). Head gaskets are nowhere near as bad as made out, certainly no worse than vauxhalls for overheating and spitting their dummy out IMO. Performance won't be that dissimilar to a Metro Gti due to the vehicle weight, plus a very brief look on ebay shows sub £250 donors in Rover 200 guise. You appear to have understood the criteria and reasoning for a K Series perfectly. As long as it's a nicer, more modern engine than the Valencia in there now, then any power gains are a bonus. I want to cap the aimed power to about 100bhp because I want to know the brakes are up to it before further upgrade.
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Dec 17, 2010 14:27:57 GMT
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If you don't want a Ford engine a Honda would be the best alternative, especially if you want something different since they are mounted the 'wrong' way too. And off course you would not need to tune it either as they are all powerful enough from the start. May I recommend a 2,7 V6 from a Legend
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Dec 17, 2010 15:10:23 GMT
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Right then. I've just jumped outside between snow showers with a tape measure. A very quick waggle about with the tape suggests a maximum combined engine and 'box width of about 800mm if I am to avoid choppy choppy. Time to approach random members of the public in the street and ask them to pop their bonnets ;D
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Dec 17, 2010 15:32:20 GMT
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For the rover K series engine. The approximate dimensions of the 'K' are Length 594mm, Width 575mm, Height 615mm, added to this is the gearbox. The engine and transmission weigh in at around 130kg. All the engines, 1.4, 1.6 & 1.8, are the same physical size, with approx. standard power outputs of 103, 111 & 118 bhp. Quite tunable to in excess of 200 bhp if you have the money. Hope some of that helps Can you see which way I am leaning ;D I really have nothing but good things to say about the K series engine, I managed to fry the ECU by pushing a 1.6 a bit too hard on a summers day, (shalln't go into details, but suffice to say I was younger and more stupid/reckless than I am now,) the head was solid though, no hint of HGF even after I treated it with so much abuse. The only way you can destroy it is overheating combined with poor maintainence, if it is a concern, swap to a steel gasket straight away. Just avoid any engines that have had a HGF in the past even if it's been repaired as it does make them more likely to fail again in future.
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There is no such thing as a curse word car just overstretched expectations................. Herald 10/10 Gasser 10/10 Total score 20/10
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Mark
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Dec 17, 2010 16:19:04 GMT
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This sort of idea is right up my street, though I don't know if it would be up Bec's. I'll discuss the benefits of heavy oil with her and see what she reckons. It's best she drives a modern turbo diesel first. I really like the power delivery, and they can be made to sound fantastic with the right exhaust! If I end up living in the UK/Ireland, I reckon modern diesel powered retro will be the way forward!
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Dec 17, 2010 16:45:15 GMT
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Ill measure the 1.7 in the cav as its basically the same block as the 1.5 :-) 1.5 is more tuneable apparently too as there's more meat between the bores so more hg so can take moar boooost. Id also recommend the vauxhall 1.4s even if you only went for an 8v (cheap as chips, almost literally, and bombproof) but the 16vs are pretty mental with lots of tuning support :-) nova boxes..... no ideo how big a 5 speed is but I might know a man who does :-)
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Dec 17, 2010 16:53:55 GMT
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IrishMark, looks like your suggestion could be a winner. She learnt in a modern TD and says she liked it. I used the words 'more smoke more poke' to her and I think she knew I was referring to cars and not asking her for a cigarette and a carnal encounter. BumholeMark, That would be most useful, thanks. I'd been meaning to ask you about that before as TD has been floating around my head for some time. Just the overall length from pulleys to the end of the 'box to give me an idea of how much 'fettling' would be involved would be most helpful EDIT: and I assume a Nova box would bolt up to an Isuzu engine what with being all GM? if that looses some length it could be a marvellous solution.. Anything higher geared than the box on the thing at the moment will be an absolute revelation to the whole driving experience.
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Dec 17, 2010 17:01:14 GMT
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Ill do some researching for you. Its a shame mazda never made a v6 smaller then 1.8 or that may of solved some issues :-)
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Dec 17, 2010 17:04:00 GMT
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Btw the isuzu lump is most definitely an older skool of diesel! Haha but still a good lump
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Dec 17, 2010 18:57:42 GMT
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Ben, my point about the engines that fit is because they are small engines compared to most, and the 4speed box is tiny. most engines I have looked at are over the 500mm mark which means you'll need a gearbox under 300mm, don't forget, changing any sort of belt will be nigh on impossible. I really want to see someone change an engine to a non ford for a change in a mk1 but it is not going to be easy without any welding to the chassis legs
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Mark
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Lol @ Mark differentiation.
When I'm not busy throwing things at my new car, I'll do a bit of corsa based tuning research for you. I remember there was one guy doing sub 16s up the 1/4 mile with not too many mods. Plus Colon will tell you how to get GR8 MPGZ.
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Dec 18, 2010 18:11:28 GMT
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I think sticking a Zetec SE is a far better plan than a Rover K.
The Vauxhall diesel is an oddball, however I can see the point doing that. Shame that the Peugeot 1.5 never came in turbo form.
But how about a bike engine? Most V4 engines has plenty of torque an enough torque and would be narrow enough to stick in the MK1 Fiesta. Honda VFR/ Pan-am Yamaha Venture Aprillia RSV4
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Dec 18, 2010 18:34:18 GMT
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I think sticking a Zetec SE is a far better plan than a Rover K. The Vauxhall diesel is an oddball, however I can see the point doing that. Shame that the Peugeot 1.5 never came in turbo form. But how about a bike engine? Most V4 engines has plenty of torque an enough torque and would be narrow enough to stick in the MK1 Fiesta. Honda VFR/ Pan-am Yamaha Venture Aprillia RSV4 Which one is the Zetec SE? The blacktop/Silvertop 1.6/1.8/2.0 pillaged from Mondeos? or is it something else? K Series, if it fits is the best idea I reckon, for pure upgrade for pennies potential if nothing else. I hadn't considered a bike engine to be honest.. It goes from being a low maintenance daily to something far more highly strung and harder/more expensive to obtain bits for so is something I'd rather avoid. It is a good call for power to physical size though Here's the engine bay itself. Tiny. Pretty much no clearance at this end and a little bit at this end The heater hasn't been blowing hot and I assumed the matrix was blocked after some recent late night emergency rad weld. Happily, I was wrong. At some point the heater inlet hose has been replaced with some generic straight hose that has become kinked. I massaged it a bit to get it to open up and we now have some heat. I should really look to change it for the correct pipe so flow is fully restored and we get all of the heat.
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Dec 18, 2010 18:58:40 GMT
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Dec 18, 2010 22:52:23 GMT
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i work on rovers all the time at work, ive done countless head gaskets. i think they are one of the best mass produced engines ever. very underated.
but avoid 1.1's, the 8v's and if possible metro gearboxes(useless tiny clutch).
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Dec 19, 2010 15:42:31 GMT
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I'm gonna go with this option, as many a people say k-series, but its a daily driver and no matter how u look at the glass they are unreliable turds, yes they're cheap, yes they're tunable, are they reliable are they feck unless spending wedge...I'm also thinking a ford engine would keep originality/re-sale i know its not really rr spirited but surely a non ford engined fwd mk1 fiesta is not really going to be a seller? i can get rwd or big power non ford swaps but why stray from the easier non chassis cutting stable to get something ford already provides?
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Dec 19, 2010 15:49:04 GMT
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Dec 19, 2010 20:16:39 GMT
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I'm gonna go with this option, as many a people say k-series, but its a daily driver and no matter how u look at the glass they are unreliable turds, yes they're cheap, yes they're tunable, are they reliable are they feck unless spending wedge...I'm also thinking a ford engine would keep originality/re-sale I know its not really rr spirited but surely a non ford engined fwd mk1 fiesta is not really going to be a seller? I can get rwd or big power non ford swaps but why stray from the easier non chassis cutting stable to get something ford already provides? Had personal problems with K series engines then? I'll concede that they don't manage well if neglected, but why would I neglect basic service requirements? I've only had good experiences with K Series cars... Resale value? Originality? This is a modified car forum . Please bear in mind that this is being all being done to Bec's and my own requirements tastes and budget, not to the next person who is going to buy the car. And how is chopping in a zetec/sigma/endura/duratec/cvh or whatever else from the blue oval any more original than fitting something from another manufacturer? My biggest stipulation is keeping stuff squeeky clean and legal from an IVA avoidance point of view, so if a future buyer would like to 'save' it from us, returning it to standard (which it isn't now anyway), it should be simple.
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