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Dec 15, 2010 19:48:02 GMT
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No posts since May? That's a bit rubbish.. We are having problems. After chatting engine swaps with Hardcore and GTVSaviour the other day, it looks like it may happen soon. There are lots of little bits of bodywork that we simply do not have time to sort when it's used daily, the exhaust makes the whole car shake because I welded a hanger to the handbrake mount/spreader plate thingy, it regularly develops silly misfires, number 2 plug is oily and it has now started firing on three all the time (possibly related to the fact that number 2 quite oily!) Rubbish. Little stuff. All of it. But it's a combination of stuff that is plain irritating and that we aren't getting a chance to sort properly because it's kept outdoors and driven daily. My glass is half full (of wine) though, it means we can pull it off the road and do the engine swap that keeps getting mentioned and do the bodywork to a decent quality. Engine swaps though? I've never done one. I understand the principles but it's going to be something of a learning curve. I don't want to replace with another Valencia, I don't even want a Ford in it. If I'm going to learn, I'm going to learn properly. Stipulations are that it must still fit in the lower tax bracket, must fit in the engine bay with no cutting if at all possible (I accept that some 'fettling' and 'clearancing' will probably be necessary, but I'd rather avoid 'cutting' ), have a cheap donor vehicle, and be in the 75-100ishbhp bracket. Things that spring to mind that appear to fulfill the criteria are CG13DE from.. and Rover K series. A 1.4 8v can be had from Rover 100 series easily and 16v from the 200series. There was also the Metro GTI which had a 16v I think.. I'm open to suggestions though
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Last Edit: Dec 15, 2010 19:55:29 GMT by ben711200
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Rich
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Dec 15, 2010 21:06:57 GMT
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I like the K series idea, but then I would. 16V all the way, 8V always feels quite gutless to drive. GTI metro was K16 1.4, as you are thinking, but its an early engine. Get the placca manifold one and you can bolt the bigger throttle body off a T seires engine for a little snappier throttle response as well. Plus the engine is easier to update in size at a later date.
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Dec 15, 2010 23:06:25 GMT
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I like the K series idea, too, Rich. The fact it gives me option for future biggerness is cool.. But, I'm leaning toward the CG13 at the moment for sheer maintenance free living and easy gains from exhaust and inlet mods. I'll pimp out my wanted cries here as well.. because of this current situation we need to find an incredibly cheap MOTd daily for Becky so she doesn't have to walk to work every day! Sub £400 MOTd daily shitters please! answers on the back of a postcard, PM or phonecall
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Dec 16, 2010 10:58:38 GMT
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I'm still leaning to K-series - there's a fair bit of tuning goodies available apparently..... didn't they have a race series for 'em? If I'd known you were wanting a daily you could've 'looked after' the e28 I just bought - saved me trying to hide it ;D - but no idea on the frugality side we talked about tho'... If I can get the Austin 1100 MoT'd while I'm over Xmas time - you could borrow that..... I'll keep you posted.
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Dec 16, 2010 11:37:20 GMT
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Ben, some engine swap thoughts to throw into the mix:
Assuming you want something a bit more modern and relatively cheap to come by and maintain I thought the following may be worth a look, and going on the assumption it may be worth getting a whole car for breaking so you can use the whole engine, gearbox, fuel injection wiring loom et al to make an easy start, sell/weigh in what you don't need. like with the K series the vauxhall and fiat engines can be upgraded to larger capacity units, and tuned easily as and when you are ready.
I may be wrong here but had you thought about finding a MkII fiesta and looking at cutting out the panel that allows the ford 5speed to be swapped in? it's the sort of thing a tickle with the welder from Mr BIAS could probably do easily cutting out the old and inserting the new, ok a bit of paint involved but a factory look could be achieved relatively easily for that 'non-modified monocoque' look.
Ford KA 1300cc basically the same as your current engine for physical size but updated, should be an easy swap.
Vauxhall 8V/16V from 1.2 to 1.6 from Corsas, then 1.8 up to 2.2 getting slightly bigger in physical size again... cheap as chips in corsas/tigras/astras/vectras etc
Fiat 8v/16V from 1.1 to 1.4 (FIRE to SUPERFIRE) a whole range of powers to be had from cinqs/Puntos/Bravas/Bravos and cars are dead cheap to buy, engines are tiny in physical size and don't weigh a great deal.
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stealthstylz
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Dec 16, 2010 12:18:27 GMT
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I'd bung a 1.4K in. They're 105bhp standard, respond well to cheap tuning (VVC head and cams can be had cheap 2nd hand). They're also ridiculously light. Try and find one with a PG1 gearbox as they're the best.
Matt
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rysz
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Dec 16, 2010 12:29:55 GMT
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I would also concur with the K series, if only for availability. Another thought would be the 1.3 that the Swift GTi came with as that is a crazy engine that can be Turbo'd for frankly daft power and it is very compact. Have a look at what people put into Mini's to see what is available size wise... The Civic 1.5 VTEC will fit all criteria I think Rysz.
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Dec 16, 2010 17:54:15 GMT
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If you would happen to change your mind and put a Ford engine in it, the 1.6 as came in the Xr2 would be easier than most non-ford engines to put in there. Not to mention changing the block for a 1.8 out of a Sierra, or ZVH it with a 2.0 Zetec block. Either way you get a lot more torque and an engine that looks almost stock. And then you could 'RSTurbo' it later if you feel the need for outrageous torque-steer
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Dec 16, 2010 20:09:51 GMT
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Good news! the constant firing on 3 was because of a lead that had worked very loose. I hadn't noticed because it's been dark the entire time I've been near the thing. What a bloody fool ;D Bad news, the rest of the problems are still there ;D It removes the urgency of needing a runaround but the plan remains unchanged. John, it looks like we'll be alright, but the gesture and generosity is very much appreciated Phil, it looks like your thought processes run along the same lines as mine. Food for thought. I had considered using a Ka engine for the reasons you mentioned but if I'm going to do a swap, I really fancy something unusual.. I hadn't considered the others so will get investigating. Your 5 speed panel idea is excellent, though obviously the law is the law Rysz, Swift GTI and 1.5 vtec are cool ideas but cost and availability means they're likely to be outshone by other options. Zykotec. As above really; a non-ford application is just more appealing from a going off the beaten track sort of point of view.
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Dec 16, 2010 21:40:27 GMT
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what id do 1- C20XE/LET piece of curse word to fit and wire in. 2- suzuki swift 1.3 16v awesome compact engine 3- 1.4/1.6 tdci motor from a newer fiesta.
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Dec 16, 2010 21:41:46 GMT
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I'll give you something to hinder your thoughts. nothing other than a crossflow/cvh/valencia and just about a zetec will fit in that engine bay with anything other than the original 4-speed gearbox, unless the chosen gearbox is particularly small. you will need to cut and weld the chassis rails for clearance, bashing them won't create enough room. then theres the costs of driveshafts, fwd shafts cost a fortune to adapt with different cv's on the end and different lengths. fiestas are a pain in the . i considered a rotary as they are tiny, and using my ford gearbox. lot of work but would be damn good. its a case of going looking at engines and carefully measuring up, or finding some proper engine drawings for dimensions.
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Dec 16, 2010 21:56:25 GMT
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ive got a mint engine to drop straight in this if u can afford the running costs lol (i cant!!)
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Dec 16, 2010 22:02:15 GMT
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p.s plz dnt put any thing other than ford in her lol an a k series with just blow up lol (headgasket) maybe use a 1.4 cvh engine out of a fiesta mk3? drive shafts gearbox an selector will all fit with no probs, (i fitted a mk1 engine in to my mk 3 shell)
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Dec 16, 2010 22:06:10 GMT
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gearbox won't if its a 5-speed
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Dec 16, 2010 22:13:30 GMT
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if u get the engine an box out the same car it will fit in....?
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Dec 16, 2010 22:21:16 GMT
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Rotary power! Please do it. Even the Non-Turbo version would be a pretty cool swap, nippy without ridiculous amounts of power. Another thought from the Mazda stable would be the 1.6 from the Mx5... I reckon that would be a great swap in something Fiesta sized.
If you want to go completely stupid then I always dreamed of a S2000 powered, RWD Mk1 when I was younger.
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Dec 16, 2010 22:27:16 GMT
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if u get the engine an box out the same car it will fit in....? no, a mk1 engine bay is smaller than anything else ever. will.
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Dec 16, 2010 22:54:50 GMT
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Pat (with the mid mounted, supercharged VVC Imp) fitted a VVC into his brothers Mk2 festa a year or 2 back. It went in fairly well and the wiring isn't too scary either. The drive shafts aren't too expensive to get made either (try searching on 16vmini, someone will point you in the direction of a set for a good price). Go for it I say Another thought (if physical size is an issue), the nova 4 speed box is pretty short, and the 1.4 16v corsa engine is a cracker (and cheap)
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Dec 16, 2010 23:14:28 GMT
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i always thought the mk1 fiesta engine bay was massive when ive seen them, i mean ive done xe convertions on novas and they have tiny engine bays and anything squeezes in.
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Did I see a stipulation for an engine in the 75-100bhp bracket...? Personally I think a 1.25 16v from a Mk4> fester would go well.. nice and light, revvy, good specific output. Best part its, it wasn't designed by ford (Yamaha I believe) so it's not sh*t
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