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Dec 13, 2009 19:18:18 GMT
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I am asking, and hope guys like Dez, Oldbus, Grunty, and others who have Scimitars, and similar type cars may add in some views etc. I like the style of these ugly "pickups" as below. However, with current and changing legislation, and keeping sensibility clearly in sight. Which means SAFE and Legal..... Could one take something like an older Scimitar which is on the road etc, MOT'd at least, and strip away the fibre glass and end up with something like the pics below ?? All views and opinions invited. I would guess there are sensible ways of cleaning the front steering and suspension up a bit etc.... Any pics of these sort of "rods" based on chassis from existing kitcars etc ?? Please add them in. Ohhhh... Before I forget, I think I should mention the words reasonably cheap/inexpensive and fun. Cheers, Rian FIRSTLY ; NOT WANTING TO THIS ;D ;D ;D ;D [img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/35javascript:add(" ",""]")94/3500556027_67329d0c69.jpg[/img] And of course this I would roll in any day. Currently my wallpaper.
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Last Edit: Dec 13, 2009 19:19:04 GMT by grizz
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Dec 13, 2009 19:34:08 GMT
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Not sure it would be easy to channel the body so severely to get the low down look with out having to mod the chassis.... then you lose the advantage of using the scimmy chassis. EDIT: Just realised that that was your original question!! ;D better wait for some real advice! Ace pics tho'
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Last Edit: Dec 13, 2009 19:37:31 GMT by arrocuda
'71 Arrocuda.... '71 Sunbeam Rapier Turbo (The Grim Rapier).... '63 Hymek D7076..... Audi GT5S
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Dec 13, 2009 19:45:12 GMT
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Scim chassis are quite low to the floor anyway, I'd have thought it would be fairly easy (and I've seen plenty of scim chassis recently). Biggest obstacle to the trad look is going to be the front suspension... twin wishbone IFS and shock turrets, and not pretty looking either. You could get the wheels looking closer to the front by moving the rad shell back as far as you can - the engine is a good way back as standard. Back end looks almost like a pickup anyway oncee the body's off, lol. I'm sure autofive will be here soon with illustrative pics
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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markbognor
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Dec 13, 2009 19:50:11 GMT
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If the rear suspension, axle, chassis, engine and gearbox remained as reliant intended, and tge front was suspended with a transverse leaf and I beam, would that not leave enough of its scimmitarness for it to remain a scimmitar in the eyes of "the man" or would the nesesity for new suspension mountings, suspension and steering system take it too far away from the original?
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kevfromwales
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Dec 13, 2009 19:50:22 GMT
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yes! I've built this idea in my head a few times, and it would work the way I've looked at it is to use of one gary janes' 32 roadster pickup bodies, and a full set of fenders, that way you can 'hide' all of the mega lumpy scimi suspension, and still get the body tub low over the frame building one exactly like those above (ie fenderless, and with a beam) would involve muchos chassis mods to get the front ends right (IVA) - or running them with fenders to hide the donor supension so yeah, I reckon with the right body panel choices, it could be done tax exempt ropey scimmy - on ebay now - 250 start cgi.ebay.co.uk/RELIANT-SCIMITAR-Mk1-GTE3000V6-with-Overdrive-Project_W0QQitemZ170416290040QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAutomobiles_UK?hash=item27ad9a38f8gary's roadster bodies - brand new on rods n sods - 275 set of 32 fenders - set at nsra swap - 250 folded up pickup bed at steel fabricators - 100, inc tailgate g'wan rian! so yeah, do-able, but not quite as above
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Almost on the road: b11 sunny breadvan, e36 tds, 325i skidcar,
nearly there: ford f250 tathauler, suzuki alto, u11 bluey
not for a while: ford pop, 32 rails,
not in this lifetime: ruby, '29 hillman
''unfortanatly I'm quite old and scruffy and in need of some loving. my drive shaft needs a new boot....''
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kevfromwales
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the conrod's REALLY out the block now!
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Dec 13, 2009 19:53:57 GMT
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mark - I 'think' that modding the front suspension pickup points would take you into IVA / modified chassis territory (have been in touch with aceadvice about similar)
if you could find a donor 'kit car' with a pretty uncluttered front suspension it might work though
- kev
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Almost on the road: b11 sunny breadvan, e36 tds, 325i skidcar,
nearly there: ford f250 tathauler, suzuki alto, u11 bluey
not for a while: ford pop, 32 rails,
not in this lifetime: ruby, '29 hillman
''unfortanatly I'm quite old and scruffy and in need of some loving. my drive shaft needs a new boot....''
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Dec 13, 2009 20:04:51 GMT
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yes! I've built this idea in my head a few times, and it would work the way I've looked at it is to use of one gary janes' 32 roadster pickup bodies, and a full set of fenders, that way you can 'hide' all of the mega lumpy scimi suspension, and still get the body tub low over the frame building one exactly like those above (ie fenderless, and with a beam) would involve muchos chassis mods to get the front ends right (IVA) - or running them with fenders to hide the donor supension so yeah, I reckon with the right body panel choices, it could be done tax exempt ropey scimmy - on ebay now - 250 start gary's roadster bodies - brand new on rods n sods - 275 set of 32 fenders - set at nsra swap - 250 folded up pickup bed at steel fabricators - 100, inc tailgate g'wan rian! so yeah, do-able, but not quite as above Thanks for the responses so far guys..... Kev, I used these pics more as illustration of what I like. I know the front end of the Scimitar is a big tall mess of steel and stuff, and fenders to cover it ove may be the way. I like the idea of an open engine bay though. Do you have a link to the Rods n Sods ad for that body please ?? I am not on there, and have never been there. Keep the ideas and advice coming, you are speaking to someone who knows very very little, but knows what he likes the look of.
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kevfromwales
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Dec 13, 2009 20:22:43 GMT
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there ya go grizz www.rodsnsods.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=7778if you have a google round, I think gary trades as 'bay area rods' or 'bay area bugs' or summat not sure who moulds up 32 fenders and stuff, but they are about, we got a pair of fronts (ropey like) for 40 quid a while back! - kfw
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Almost on the road: b11 sunny breadvan, e36 tds, 325i skidcar,
nearly there: ford f250 tathauler, suzuki alto, u11 bluey
not for a while: ford pop, 32 rails,
not in this lifetime: ruby, '29 hillman
''unfortanatly I'm quite old and scruffy and in need of some loving. my drive shaft needs a new boot....''
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Dec 13, 2009 21:13:02 GMT
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Thanks Kev.
Looking at whats there, just makes one realise its not a Saturday afternoon and couple of cans 'o lager to build a car like that.
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Dez
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Dec 13, 2009 22:09:08 GMT
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grizz, id advise you keep a very close eye on my how to build a budget hotrod thread i think the finished product is going to be very close to your current background, to say the least- but i don't want to put it all down in type regarding final parts choices until some deals and stuff are set in stone. but suffice to say i have the body sorted and if you keep the scimmy chasis, rear end, , steering and engine and box, you could i-beam it if it was made to be a bolt on fitment to the current chassis, which i think is doable........
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kevfromwales
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the conrod's REALLY out the block now!
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Dec 13, 2009 22:32:12 GMT
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^^ that is VERY good thinking dez
think that particular mod needs to be 'pinged' to aceadvice for his opinion!
- kfw
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Almost on the road: b11 sunny breadvan, e36 tds, 325i skidcar,
nearly there: ford f250 tathauler, suzuki alto, u11 bluey
not for a while: ford pop, 32 rails,
not in this lifetime: ruby, '29 hillman
''unfortanatly I'm quite old and scruffy and in need of some loving. my drive shaft needs a new boot....''
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Dec 13, 2009 22:48:52 GMT
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Thanks Dez, I think this is a lot more do-able then.
Anything that allows one to reduce the sheer bulk of the front end can be good.
I am happy with a basic V6 as it makes enough of the right sort of noise.
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Dec 13, 2009 23:05:14 GMT
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I've been toying with this idea for a while, I think outriggers may be another issue if your not allowed to remove them if the body you choose is not as wide as the Scim was, i am starting to wonder if the extra money a proper old car chassis would cost may actually be worth it in the end, i guess it depends how much of it you can hide.
There are a couple of Triumph chassis on ebay they seem to be more of the centre spine design, given a big trans tunnel they may work as well, may be a bit small though.
Anyone know what a london cab chassis looks like?
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Rich G
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Dec 13, 2009 23:35:33 GMT
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I've been toying with this idea for a while, I think outriggers may be another issue if your not allowed to remove them if the body you choose is not as wide as the Scim was, I am starting to wonder if the extra money a proper old car chassis would cost may actually be worth it in the end, I guess it depends how much of it you can hide. There are a couple of Triumph chassis on ebay they seem to be more of the centre spine design, given a big trans tunnel they may work as well, may be a bit small though. Anyone know what a london cab chassis looks like? Outriggers (at the moment) can't be removed as they are considered part of the chassis - I've already had this conversation with Aceadvice. Don't have any pics but have been told that the FX4 chassis is much more old timey. Another option might be Rover P4 as below... Oh, and while I'm Googling... Austin A40... Triumph Herald...
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Dez
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Dec 13, 2009 23:58:32 GMT
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so, so many things i want to post but i gotta restrain myself for a couple of weeks yet- I'm finding it hard!!
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skinnylew
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I have nothing really to contribute to this other than the following: DO IT!! Its a fricking awesome idea ;D I'll even pop down and give you a hand with it
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A mate of mine is planning on lopping the body off an old scimitar that he's currently got festering in his driveway and placing the body of the Austin Ruby he's got sitting in the garden right back on the chassis in a sort of rat rod/70's slot mag equipped/Rubellion style . If he ever get's around to making a start on it I'll ask him if I can post some pics .
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You've been telling me you were a genius since you were seventeen ... in all the time I've known you I still don't know what you mean !
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Rebodying is totally legal PROVIDING you stay with the DVLA guidelines AND have it inspected to confirm the change of identity together with renaming as required by DVLA. We ( ACE) are currently clarifying the rules relating to the root of a vehicles identity , the UNMODIFIED chassis or monococque. We are clarifying exactly what parts qualify as chassis / moncocque .Whilst we have made progress answers always lead to more questions and as soon as we have definite answers we will post the info on the ACE site. The bfg problem normally lies in misunderstanding of the rules at a Local Office level. We have letters on file from DVLA Policy Division clarifying that secondhand body shells are acceptable (one of the favourtite problems at LO is asking for a receipt for a new bodyshell and refusing to register without ) . The guidelines covering would be :- www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_10014199
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Last Edit: Dec 14, 2009 9:11:02 GMT by kapri
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And of course this I would roll in any day. Currently my wallpaper. Oooh, I think I took that ;D HC.
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Dec 14, 2009 11:18:54 GMT
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so, so many things I want to post but I gotta restrain myself for a couple of weeks yet- I'm finding it hard!! Sounds a bit like when I was lining up to buy the bus, so much I wanted to know and ask, but had to create diversions so that I did not let the cat out the bag before it got here.
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