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Dec 14, 2009 11:23:42 GMT
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And of course this I would roll in any day. Currently my wallpaper. Oooh, I think I took that ;D HC. Well, what a photo !! Encapsulates so much of what the dream is about. I would have spent a lot of time with that car on the day. ;D Back to the outriggers..... on the Scimitar chassis. I have to ask this: Surely if they had function in supporting the structure of the original glassfibre car, but in the new incarnation, they are litterally just sticking out the sides, would it be a bad thing to cut them off ??
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Dec 14, 2009 12:09:57 GMT
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becomes a modified chassis then though, which negates the advantage of using one in the first place, lots of info on the 4x4 forums about this, various guys have had various problems when adding stronger x members to fit a winch for example, or you can plate a chassis rail as a repair, but not to increase its strength, these bits are waht ACE are trying to clarify i think, i'm sort of dithering with mine a bit hoping there be something concrete reasonably soon.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Dec 14, 2009 12:24:34 GMT
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We have already made progress with this but until we have the whole picture we are holding back as we want to ensure any advice given is correct ( at time of going to press ! ) .
As an ' original unmodified chassis / monococque ' is the very basis of vehicles identity that is where we are focusing our efforts before looking deeper into the other legislative issues. We are back to basics with what they consider to be a chassis /moncocque , which bits, if any, can be strengthened / modified or cut.
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kevfromwales
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the conrod's REALLY out the block now!
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Dec 14, 2009 12:29:17 GMT
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superb - much thanks again for all this clarification aceadvice
did you spot earlier in this thread, dez's idea of having a 'bolt in' crossmember / mounts for replacement front suspension - is that viable??
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Almost on the road: b11 sunny breadvan, e36 tds, 325i skidcar,
nearly there: ford f250 tathauler, suzuki alto, u11 bluey
not for a while: ford pop, 32 rails,
not in this lifetime: ruby, '29 hillman
''unfortanatly I'm quite old and scruffy and in need of some loving. my drive shaft needs a new boot....''
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Dec 14, 2009 13:01:16 GMT
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superb - much thanks again for all this clarification aceadvice did you spot earlier in this thread, dez's idea of having a 'bolt in' crossmember / mounts for replacement front suspension - is that viable?? Very good question Dez and Kev. Would be interesting to know.
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Colonelk
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Dec 14, 2009 14:52:49 GMT
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Dec 14, 2009 15:03:50 GMT
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Thanks for the link Colonelk. I am sure I have seen a pic of that somewhere , some time.
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kevfromwales
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the conrod's REALLY out the block now!
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Dec 14, 2009 15:11:10 GMT
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^^ it's been for sale in the RR classifieds boys, owner is 'lyingscotsman' on here
-kfw
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Almost on the road: b11 sunny breadvan, e36 tds, 325i skidcar,
nearly there: ford f250 tathauler, suzuki alto, u11 bluey
not for a while: ford pop, 32 rails,
not in this lifetime: ruby, '29 hillman
''unfortanatly I'm quite old and scruffy and in need of some loving. my drive shaft needs a new boot....''
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Dec 14, 2009 17:22:24 GMT
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Removal of non structural body mounts is allowable. We are currently clarifying the additional crossmember regulations ...the wheels of beaurocracy grind slowly As an aside has anyone bothered to look at the unloved Reliant SS1 ,interesting backbone design that coudl suit smaller body conversions.
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Last Edit: Dec 14, 2009 17:24:01 GMT by kapri
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Dec 14, 2009 17:33:27 GMT
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Scimitar SE6 has the same wheelbase as the Model A and the '41 Willys.
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1953 Minor (Long term project) PT Cruiser
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Dec 14, 2009 17:40:36 GMT
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Naked SS1
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Last Edit: Dec 14, 2009 17:40:51 GMT by kapri
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Dez
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Dec 14, 2009 18:04:06 GMT
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Scimitar SE6 has the same wheelbase as the Model A and the '41 Willys. which is 103"- for the model A, so if what you say is true the others are the same!
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Dec 14, 2009 20:19:36 GMT
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yah, Scim GTE deffo 103" i measured one when i was checking to see if it would work under my 100" Range Rover shell.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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kevfromwales
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the conrod's REALLY out the block now!
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Dec 14, 2009 20:27:23 GMT
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the earlier (tax exempt) ones - se5a - are a bit shorter iirc, which is why I suggested a pickup body - you can lose the length in the pickup body then
we had a 32 roadster mocked on a se6 scimi chassis and it was VERY close - 1 1/2" ish out?
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Almost on the road: b11 sunny breadvan, e36 tds, 325i skidcar,
nearly there: ford f250 tathauler, suzuki alto, u11 bluey
not for a while: ford pop, 32 rails,
not in this lifetime: ruby, '29 hillman
''unfortanatly I'm quite old and scruffy and in need of some loving. my drive shaft needs a new boot....''
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Dec 15, 2009 11:50:59 GMT
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Oooh, I think I took that ;D HC. Well, what a photo !! Encapsulates so much of what the dream is about. I would have spent a lot of time with that car on the day. ;D Very nice of you to say so niceness rewarded with another photo.. I really must do a "Mr & Mrs Hardcore's Honeymoon" thread (where these pics were taken) - was only 2 years ago HC.
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Dec 15, 2009 12:34:56 GMT
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there are like 4 cheap Rover P4s on eBay right now.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Dez
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Dec 15, 2009 12:39:59 GMT
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cheers for posting that HC, answers a few questions i had in my head about that truck. is that all the pics you have?
personally I'm not a fan of that rollpan, looks too deep, make the ass end look 'dumpy'- like a goose! i can only assume its there to hide something under there, as is the box in the bed. but i love that is surfboard rack is made from a old wishbone and a spring leaf!!
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Dec 15, 2009 12:45:32 GMT
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Just remembered about this one.... It was in retro cars mag a few months back. If memory serves me right it was a GMC/Chevy cab and front with a home brewed reclaimed timber buck on a bog standard two wheel drive toyota hilux. Seems to work ok, even with the rad way out ahead of the front wheels (which really don't work IMO). Struggling for more pics sorry. Joe
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Dec 15, 2009 13:48:24 GMT
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Very interesting thread this I'm pretty sure that this is a totally bare naked SS1 chassis: The black one pictured earlier in the thread has the armatures mounted to it. These are structures made from square tubes (approx 1" square) which bolt to the chassis & support the body panels (which are also bolted to them). The SS1 chassis is a backbone type but, as you can see from the photo, it also has outriggers (which are used to support the main body tub & the rear suspension is also mounted the back one) so I'm not sure that losing, or modifying, them would be such a good idea?!? The SS1 uses inboard shock absorbers (to keep the profile low at the front), with the springs being sandwiched between the upper & lower suspension arms. Coilovers (also used at the rear) can be fitted & quite are a popular mod. Touching on another point raised earlier in the thread about the legality of removeable crossmembers: the SS1 has just such a removeable crossmember & the shock absorbers bolt to it. There is however another crosmember below this one which has the steering rack mounted to it - this one isn't removeable. I've just removed the engine from my SS1 (fitting a Zetec into it) & it probably wouldn't have been possible without removing this crossmember. Also early versions of these chassis' rust like the devil but later models were galvanised & last very well as a result. The armatures werent galvanised though so these can also rust badly - if you're building a rod using on one of these chassis' though then you'd probably need to fabricate your own anyway!
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Dec 15, 2009 18:37:37 GMT
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ss1 chassis info.
1986 Reliant Scimitar SS1 1800 Wheelbase 2133 mm 84 in Track front 1302 mm 51.3 in rear 1321 mm 52 in Length 3886 mm 153 in Width 1582 mm 62.3 in Height 1240 mm 48.8 in
a very short wheel base.
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