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I was just sitting here thinking about Zetec and C20LET/L20 engine conversions into rear-drive cars, and all the fuss and hassle (well, relative) that goes on sorting out suitable clutch and gearbox arrangements. Not the "what box" thing, but sorting the clutch forks, bearings, whatnot. Suddenly occured to me - well, BMW made a selection of good 6's, a few nice 4 pots and some corking V8's. Now why is it that we don't see many of these in cars? I mean, the 1.8 and box are a fairly nice combination aren't they - I know they're no rocket but ....seems a good choice. Just strikes me as why go to the hassle of a Zetec and box combo, when you could pull something similar from a bimmer and be done? Maybe i'm missing summat! ;D (besides Escorts etc being fitted with Zetecs, ford genes and all that  |
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Last Edit: Jan 1, 2006 16:40:27 GMT by Lewis
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someones put a six in a vw bus a black one think its been on here
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2001 HONDA CT110 (NOT RCV)
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Cool! Interesting combination!
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I put a 318i m10 engine in a '52 prefect on an e21 box so I had a speedo drive (e30s are in the diff). I put the entire wiring loom in which I shoudn't have bothered with because all bmw efi engines up to 1990 will run with a minimum of 4 wires. that little engine made 115bhp in a 750 kg car!
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Is there much tuning potential for those engines, I mean, I'm not talking nutter levels but could you make it 150 or so?
How did it rev ;D
Just looked up those engines
M10B18(M99) 1766 90@5500 137@4000 Pierburg 2B4 1980 E12/518, E21/316, E28/518
M10B18 1766 105@5800 145@4500 Bosch K-Jetronic 1980 E21/318i, E30/318i, E28/518i
Might be a bit optimistic to aim for 150 then ;D
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Last Edit: Jan 1, 2006 16:53:04 GMT by Lewis
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Yeah, I was looking at that a few days ago. The girl was talking about buying a car and a Moggie came into the conversation but she wanted an auto and I was brainstorming engines and the Beemer lumps did come into my mind. You can pick up old 3-series's's's for next to nothing too. I'd just be worried about cost of spares. Eg, old Ford stuff can be got for peanuts and makes rolling repairs dead cheap, lets not kid ourselves, stuff does break and it's easier to deal with if it doesn't break the bank. But yeah, a nice smooth injected lump would slot in quite nicely into most medium sized classics.
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Yea, might not tune as well as a Zetec, but I bet it'd be easier to fit.
Wish someone would sell me a modern, speedy engine with a RWD box already fitted ;D <wish wish>
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Last Edit: Jan 1, 2006 16:54:48 GMT by Lewis
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tunes very easy actually. 90.5 pistons for 2.1 ish, 2002tii head, piper cam, 318efi, modded t/b, k&n and a four branch is good for about 160-175bhp. dunno were you got the info on the engines, but its wrong.
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proving I'm not full of cr@p, here is my old prefect  was the first in the rodding community to get mine on the road ;D |
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That looks wicked ;D Love old Prefects. Engine info was off some beemer site, shows how not to trust the internet now and then eh!  Right, time to locate me tape measure ;D Ta! |
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Last Edit: Jan 1, 2006 17:58:51 GMT by Lewis
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The old 4-cylinder block from the '02's formed the basis for the 1000bhp+ turbo engines of the 1980's BMW F1 cars. In some cases literally - engineers hunted out old units to use as bases (legend has it).
So the potential is deffo there.
The 6-cylinder units is apparently a common & straightforward swap into Triumph Vitesses (Vitessi?) & 2000's....
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Yea, just don't know wether I could get the 6 cylinder far enough in the bay to make the handling good - that's my plan at least.
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Not sure which model, but I believe that some bmw 5 speed 'boxes are very compact - a guy I know was trying to fit one to a MG Midget, as it would fit without modifying the body *I think* (didn't work out in the end due to problems mating it to the A series engine without resorting to some custom-made bits for the input shaft / flwheel / crank interface) so sounds like a good idea!
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Last Edit: Jan 2, 2006 0:36:26 GMT by Paul H
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Nick
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yeah some of the 5speed boxes in bmw's ive worked on are fudging tiny, easy pickupable by one person etc
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
this weeks car count "5"
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just for the record, all bmw manual gear boxes are one-man-lifters (light). the sought after 'box is the separate bellhousing boxes that will take 400bhp chevys  but they are expensive- typically pay £350 for o/d 'box, £500 for dog leg close ratio. one to toy with would be a man. 'box from a '88 to '93 518i m40 engined car, its the same as the relatively strong 318is, but some scrappy's might not know this and you could get it cheaper. also boxes from e36 328i (same as m3 e36) would be a nice strong choice. I could tell you engine/box interchangerbility, but it would take to long!! if any of you need bmw info, feel free to ask  |
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did some one mention tuning potential? I know it isn't road going, but it proves a point (250 naturally aspirated bhp @ 10k rpm ;D). Besides, I've been gagging to share this link www.john-w.de/bmwf2/engine/engine.htmthe second hand (60,000 mile) '02 block is under that lot |
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from a 1600 eek
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2001 HONDA CT110 (NOT RCV)
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The old 4-cylinder block from the '02's formed the basis for the 1000bhp+ turbo engines of the 1980's BMW F1 cars. In some cases literally - engineers hunted out old units to use as bases (legend has it). Also used by Chevron in their race engines... Including my favourite race car of all time :  |
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