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If we want the good toys we need to talk to each other more, like the banger lads do so successfully; rather than going storming mob handed onto their forum. ^^^ This and I've often been surprised at what the banger racers pay for car's that probably won't last more than one meeting. ^^^ This Really. often those of us who restore cars (or at least attempt to) expect to buy a project car for the value of finished car less the cost of restoration. So we want to pay buttons for everything. Banger racers have a different economic view on things. probably can make back much of the purchase price selling trim and other parts off it so even a £1000 car may only cost them £100 by the time it races. Also some people like to show how rich they are by wearing £150 jeans and £50 T Shirts. Others like to flash thier cash by bangering expensive cars. Human nature is odd. Yeah, the banger boys seem to have more of a community going on. The classic fraternity is more about "knowledge is power" and not letting on where stuff is. I saw a lot of this when I was in the club scene. Heaven forbid anyone should pass on a bargain to someone else! 'spose the other side of it is that if I am buying cars to restore, realistically I want to buy one every couple of years tops. If I am buying them to banger then I need to be buying one every couple of weeks... I see loads of stuff that in an ideal world I'd go "save" but in the real world I can't through lack of time, money, space, etc. Different constraints to the banger guys. Simple logic says the Bangers will buy more cars than we do. Thats the way of the world.
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Last Edit: Oct 27, 2009 8:36:58 GMT by akku
1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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I've often been surprised at what the banger racers pay for car's that probably won't last more than one meeting. Yup, especially the big events, in the name of making them selfs known, £3000/£4000 has changed hands before for a banger
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Consider this question carefully. If you read a thread on Ovalchat entitled "lets get cars off the restorers and smash 'em up", and then ovalchat users started appearing on RR posting "wanted" adds for "Wanted mk2 grannies, bluebirds, all datsuns etc... for racing, cash paid" - what sort of response do you think there would be on RR? Yup, that is where problems will come in,.. please bear this in mind folks, tread lightly when visiting other peoples forums and hobbies (regardless of your opinion of them). We share a number of members with OvalBangerChat... and I'd like for us to maintain some semblance of a relationship with them (rather than the horror show we had 3 years ago). Wilko, I hope people aren't casting slurs upon your character now, if they are drop me a PM.
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bigvee
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don't take photo in banger yards unless the owner has given permission.
How would you like the contents of your garage displayed on the internet.
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So we want to pay buttons for everything. There lies the problem. We can't really complain about rare stuff getting raced if we won't put the money up that the seller wants. It just depends how bad you want it. Simples.
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"You're about as likely to come across a fully functioning old Jag, as you are a taxicab that smells agreeable." - James May
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30psi
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Whilst it may appear shocking to some of us that they smash up cars, there is also the possiblity some of us have been known for breaking car's up for spares.
My friend and I have broken up at least 10 cars over the years. Does that make me as 'bad' as a banger racer?
From the banger racers point of view, they probably think bad of us as some of the car's we've broken could easily have been bangered. It's self defeating in a way, those cars could have gone on the circuit instead of other cars.
Saying that we recently broke up a really rotten 910 Bluebird and we got a racer to come and collect the shell.
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Last Edit: Oct 27, 2009 9:28:41 GMT by 30psi
1962 Ford Thunderbird 6.4L
1981 Datsun Bluebird SSS CA18DET
1981 Datsun Bluebird SSS SR20DE
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I have tried to sell whole cars and break them on here before. People don't want them so we race them. I have kept all sorts of bits off my bangers and have kept them in storage incase someone gets in touch wanting them. I raced a hillman minx californian last year, rare car. rotten as a pear. I had advertised bits for ages before hand and no one wanted anything. After I raced it and thanks to Ovalbangerchat someone got in touch and took the half shafts away and few other bits. This meant the one he was restoring is now back on the road. don't shoot yourselves in the foot and people will help you. Twigzy Banger 17 *oh and the VX4/90 was a £50 purchase off ebay to banger, but is to good for that so its going back on the road) Bingo. Not starting a slating war or something but you said that very well. I even keep them in storeage too and offered on here but not a single buyer off here.
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tri
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I've re-read this a couple of times..
What is it exactly that people are getting so defensive about?
I don't particularly want to sign up to a forum that I'll never visit. Has there been aggression on there from RR members? I've seen no aggression here, nothing that warrants the amount of defensiveness coming from the banger community at least..
The original post is just suggesting that people try to buy parts/cars that are for sale on there by my understanding. Is that a problem?
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Last Edit: Oct 27, 2009 9:51:45 GMT by tri
I forgot how to retro...
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yup... there is a lot of talk about saving cars and not a lot of action, which is understandable.
Those that do something about it are those people that end up with yards full of half complete cars which 10 years later get photographed mostly rusted away and everyone commenting how it is a waste and they could have sold them.. etc etc.
A lot of classic owners could consider what we do to cars to be horrendous and would want us stopped too.
The biggest differences between the banger guys and us is that they share knowledge more readily and they don't need the cars long term.
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Oct 27, 2009 10:11:28 GMT
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Hotwire, I am glad somebody understands the point I was trying to make there, but nobody has actually called me scum, a thief or a traveller yet, so no worries!! I've often been surprised at what the banger racers pay for car's that probably won't last more than one meeting. Yup, especially the big events, in the name of making them selfs known, £3000/£4000 has changed hands before for a banger For a Rolls Royce Shadow yes, with all of that and more made back on the parts... Keeping these tales of £1000+ cars in perspective, this year I have raced a Volvo Amazon estate (£30 spares car from a professional restorer, hanging) & a Marina Coupe (free, rotten, broken for the 1800TC engine by somebody else), after I raced it, I sold the front hubs, discs and calipers and brake servo to a local bloke restoring a moggy traveller for £20 - I know they go for up to £100 on e-gay, but I figured it cost me nothing so I'd just take a drink out of it - how many of the self righteous classic car savers would do the same I wonder? The other cars I raced were modern ones driven into the scrappies or collected for scrap. Tomorrow I collect an MG Magnette from a bloke who has broken it for spares - it has a missing wing, no trim, engine, gearbox, bonnet or boot - I will piece it back together and race it because I absolutely love Farinas & I will help the bloke as much as I can with bits for the very cool sounding one he is doing up (B lump, estate springs etc...) No doubt somebody who see's the finished article on the track will see it as a "waste" and brand me as a mindless vandal... The bloke I spanner for when I'm not racing myself is a regular racer, this season he's raced a phase 1 Standard Vanguard (stripped of spares & trim, half the engine missing, £200 from e-bay), an A40 Cambridge (picked up for scrap by another driver, stripped of trim, rotten & siezed lump), 2 Volvo 240 estates (picked up for scrap), a mk2 Granada 2.8S (picked up for scrap by another driver, grotty), & a series 3 XJ12 (stripped of trim, swapped for jaguar spares with a bloke restoring a V12 coupe). As you can see, we are like the vast majority of drivers in that we are not in the business of paying a fortune for cars. The one in the stockpile that did cost a lot was a mk2 Granada 2.8 that his dad brought off e-bay to drive about whilst his mk1 granny coupe gets a re-trim, when it was collected, it turned out the MOT was shonky and the car was hanging, so it was chucked on the racing pile. It gave up it's gearbox to keep his other mk2 on the road & the owner of a beautifully restored '85 2.8 Ghia stripped it for trim bits last weekend. What I am trying to point out is that we already have good "give and take" relations with classic car people, banger racers are not a goldmine of spares waiting to be found, mindlessly chucking away valuable parts. Now, "ranting" over... I actually did mean what I said about "good luck" to those hunting on ovalchat for spares. Use the wanted section, be as specific as you can about what you are after, and keep bumping your topic every couple of weeks - may take a year to pay off but you never know... Also check the "for sale" as various bits get put on there. Finally, bear in mind that a lot of drivers are members rather than posters, a mobile number on the ad often helps. The site has a fairly bad rep with a lot of drivers because it is heavily populated by teenage spectators who think they know everything.
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Oct 27, 2009 10:37:23 GMT
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The way I see it not only do our hobbies complement each other perfectly but there are also plenty of folk who enjoy both. Obviously this thread has planted the seed in a few of our heads so we've all registered on OvalChat at the same time. I for one would happily apologize if that has angered or annoyed anyone but I did it only with honest intentions. As JS said (as did I in my earlier post) a mutually beneficial relationship is easy to achieve here - we often need trim or parts not required for racing and in return come across cars that are beyond saving / have been stripped for parts that can be passed on to racers. WIN WIN! To be honest I've posted 1 Wanted add on OvalChat and have already received very friendly PM's from 2 people offering me the parts I'm looking for (it being a Mk2 Granny probably helps, lol) - waiting for photos now but will hopefully do a deal Play nicely now ;D HC.
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Oct 27, 2009 17:25:27 GMT
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right for the people that have asked.... I'm gonna take a trek to said local yard in the next couple of weeks... give me a p.m shaped nudge if I forget and mr somerset the datto is one of these after about 2 secs of googling... Its a sorta goldy brown... also as with HARDCORE's post above... ive made one ad on that forum and allready had 3 p.ms with props.... all good so far... cant see them complaining if they get a bit of cash in there pocket and I get the bits I want ;D oh and yard in question after a bit of google earth/printscreen/paint work
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Last Edit: Oct 27, 2009 17:33:50 GMT by retrowagen1234
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Oct 27, 2009 17:48:58 GMT
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"Dat" as a 330 series cedric... matey with that stock-piled in his yard is a lucky man.
It's been a while since one of those hit the track, they are like hens teeth at raceable money now, and rightly so, they are the sex!
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Oct 27, 2009 17:58:45 GMT
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yeah ..., its been there a good few years that i know of ... and my dad thinks there is or was alot more that are down the other end of the yard somwhere... ive yet to see them but my dad used to deliver there in a truck so could see over things you cant in a mk2 polo
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Oct 27, 2009 18:23:25 GMT
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1962 Ford Thunderbird 6.4L
1981 Datsun Bluebird SSS CA18DET
1981 Datsun Bluebird SSS SR20DE
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Oct 27, 2009 20:24:42 GMT
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Its a difficult one. Id never believe all banger racers are just destorying good cars, of corse there are good and bad ones like there is in ANY walk of life. I don't like it so I don't watch or follow it, I'm not going to buy the cars and its a free world end of the day. Each to their own.
I have a mate who frequently races the usual old Fords and never saves anything from them. Cant be arsed apparently. I nearly cried when I saw his stock once. None of that was rotten or half broken. I tried to buy a Mk5 Cortina estate that was just gorgeous...
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Oct 27, 2009 21:24:34 GMT
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Twas a banger racer that was selling it, judging by the stripped cars in the background in the 4th photo...
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Oct 28, 2009 13:43:22 GMT
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right for the people that have asked.... I'm gonna take a trek to said local yard in the next couple of weeks... give me a p.m shaped nudge if I forget and mr somerset the datto is one of these after about 2 secs of googling... Its a sorta goldy brown... also as with HARDCORE's post above... ive made one ad on that forum and allready had 3 p.ms with props.... all good so far... cant see them complaining if they get a bit of cash in there pocket and I get the bits I want ;D oh and yard in question after a bit of google earth/printscreen/paint work Be a little careful when visiting the Yard as they do not like people milling around that they do not know and I wouldnt really take any pictures to post online. The Bronze Datsun 280c 330 is my old car that I sold to a friend as a spares car for the clean one he has on the road. Said car: There are 4 Banger Racers who share the Yard, but there is also a Vauxhall Breaker and Export Business that also operate from there.
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Oct 28, 2009 13:47:44 GMT
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You reckon the 330C is too far gone to resto? IE worth asking about or not?
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Oct 28, 2009 13:49:45 GMT
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If its far gone... id definatly like to see if they'd flog some parts for my one!
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Your car is not 'epic', this thread is not 'epic'....the OCEAN is epic, the UNIVERSE is epic.... please stop misusing this word!! It would appear Hotrods are the new VWs - aint fashion funny! '69 BUICK LESABRE 350
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