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That links not working for me. Not that i want to buy it or anything, i'm just nosey
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w0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000t yeah!
Even sensibly priced too. The fitting doesn't even seem that tricky....
two 'minor' worries - firstly... yer man there has it fitted to an e36... not 100% that there's the physical space in the e30 bay.
Also, i've been led to believe that the m42's high comp ratio would, when coupled to forced induction, would cause pretty rapid melt-down.
Any experts know otherwise, as I'd be MEGA interested to do this conversion!!!
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Nick
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big headgasket. sorts that c/r prob. not the most elegant way to do things but...its cheap.
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
this weeks car count "5"
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I am probably completely wrong here but is 90PSI not too high to be running the fuel pressure. I know normally fuel injection runs 30-50 depending on car but didnt think modified cars went much higher **waits to be shot down**
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No No No NO NO How many times ITS NOT A TURBOTherefore you do not need to worry about reducing compression ratios. You are increasing the volumetric efficiency of the engine, you are not using a lot of BOOST Positive displacement supercharger therefore........... Boost is bad, volume is good
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That links not working for me. Not that i want to buy it or anything, i'm just nosey Sorry you have to cut and past the last bit as well.... Or search for Item Number : 8003924110
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MWF
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Supercharger or turbocharger it's still raising the pressure in the combustion chamber. The bonus with the blower is it doesn't get red hot like a turbo and increase the ACT's which will promote pinking.
Nick what compression is your engine?
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the charge temperature increse if a function of the air compression, not the heat transfer from the turbine. The air moves through the compressor too quickly to pick up much heat through conduction.
Have to agree with the raising combustion pressure, Any increse in volumetric efficiency wether it be through turbo supercharger nitrous, or even just a good induction system, will increase the chances of detonation. the only real way to combat this is to vary the ignition timing so as to move the peak combustion pressure further past TDC, this will make a big fat pressure curve with the same peak pressure as before.
Any car can use boost with a high compression ratio, as long as the ignition is taken care of.
If anything the supercharger will require more compression reduction than the turbocharger, as the efficiency of the supercharger is around 25% down on the turbocharger. This means higher intake temps and lower air density, increasing the likelyhood of detonation.
J
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So are we agreed? With this supercharger would you need to muck about with the compression or not? Its not clear to me.
I suspect it will not be a very ‘demanding’ application, i.e. the additional air supplied by it will not be such a huge amount compared to the ‘atmospheric’ charge (what is the max usable pressure supplied by one of those Eaton chargers, without intercooling? 6-7PSi I think), also it will be a constant percentage with engine speed, thus I reckon overall, despite the lower compressor efficiency, it would not be necessary to lower the CR.
Get it bought! Looks a bit heath robinson but a great ‘starter package and learning aid’ if you ask me.
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MWF
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It's impossible to say what pressure it can run at withouth knowing the compression of the engine it's to be used on. General rule is 9.5:1 @ 6psi is the starting point with compression going down and boost going up i.e 8.5:1 @ 14psi.
Like blownimp says with ignition retard compression isn't a great problem but there comes a point where you are retarding all your power gains away so you end up back where you started.
I used to run a 9.2:1 compression engine at 9psi without problems, that was with a big intercooler.
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Having taken a look through the ebay auction it looks a bit dicey to me. Guy appers to using 2 rising rate fuel pressure regulators and a seperate boost driven injector controler to try and get things running to stoich. No mention of any ignition retard and I don't particulary like the way he recomends removing the PCV valve.
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the eaton is good for about 9psi maximum and the efficiency is dropping off at that point. I would say without an intercooler the compression should be lowered, with an intercooler then it may be ok stock. The retadation is actually going to net more low end torque with power dropping off, this is because lees negative work is being done on the crank (through advanced combustion) and the area under the pressure graph is larger meaning more go. But as the charge is burning slower due to its higher density and the burn is moved backwards in the cycle, the fuel starts to take too long to burn, and loses top end power.
This is a problem with F1 cars and rotaries, the f1 combustion chamber size means that the fuel cannot burn fast enough during its short cycle, the same goes for the high RPM rotaries. They will acutally make moe power on a lower octane fuel as they are faster burning and so less power is lost.
I say turbocharge it, intercool it, and run a clever boost enrichment and ignition retard on stock compression. Once all of this is running turn the boost up, melt the pistons, and get forged low comp ones and then run higer boost again!
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big headgasket. sorts that c/r prob. not the most elegant way to do things but...its cheap. I seem to recall Volvo using 2 head gaskets to lower the compression ratio on the T5 in the 90's. I'd do it
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arsebiscuitsjust when i'd decided to go for this supercharger thingy.... before setting up my snip I thought it'd be wise to check my bank account using the online thingy, only to find that some mutha farka has 'cloned' my bank card and has been merrily helping himself to my hard-earned from cashpoints around north london. bo11ocks. Massive dissapointment.
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Hope you get it all sorted out & that the bank will refund what's been stolen.
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arsebiscuitsjust when i'd decided to go for this supercharger thingy.... before setting up my snip I thought it'd be wise to check my bank account using the online thingy, only to find that some mutha farka has 'cloned' my bank card and has been merrily helping himself to my hard-earned from cashpoints around north london. bo11ocks. Massive dissapointment. BATSARDS! Reckon its owt to do with that ebay scam thing that did you a while ago?
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1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT!
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naa. reckon my card got 'skimmed'. fuggas.
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So what happens now then? Are you fooked?
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1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT!
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Unbelievable! Hope they didn't get too much? So is there anything you/the police they can do about that, other than stopping anymore getting taken out by them? I assume it'll be pretty hard to find out who it is?
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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