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Aug 15, 2005 19:17:21 GMT
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It's academic now as the car i was going to rob for parts has disappeared from the bay but....
what do you lot feel about scrapping a fairly rare car to make another one live another day?
example. i have a scirocco storm. 600 made, estimate is about 250ish left. an identical car, non-runner, popped up on ebay yesterday and seemed to have a few nice parts on it - a good bonnet which mine lacks, a decent engine (apart from injection system), stainless fuel filer, good interior.
would it be 'acceptable' to have bought this, taken off the bits to make mine mint (few panels, engine, possibly front struts, wheels), flogged the leather interior for a couple of hundred, then had the remainder crushed? would making mine a really good example be worth losing a slightly crusty one?
there's always the view that the more that get scrapped, the rarer the remaining ones get....
what do you all reckon? the ultimate sacrifice or should we try and preserve as many retro cars as possible?
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Never trust a man Who names himself Trevor. Or one day you might find He's not a real drug dealer.
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Aug 15, 2005 19:19:34 GMT
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I dunno, I passed on a sprint that'd been heavily rear-ended but was probably saveable if you had the funds. I guess it's how your inclined - if I had the space I could have done something with it, maybe, but I would have been more interested in all the go faster bits it had to be honest and put them in a new shell...
I dunno, tis a tricky game. I think there's a borderline.
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Aug 15, 2005 19:37:42 GMT
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my 'rocco's getting stripped and squashed soon so shout up if you're gonna want owt off it. (seats are going in my bug )
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Aug 15, 2005 19:55:38 GMT
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Generally I am against it if possible. But I have scrapped a few in my time. I believe its much better to make one good one out of two than have two stood about not being used rusting away. I am just about to scrap one of the piazza`s that I got a few weeks ago. It needs a hell of a lot of welding, an engine plus a load of little bits. If I did all that its still only worth 3-500 so the best bits from that will go into a chevette, and the remains the scrapyard
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I believe its much better to make one good one out of two than have two stood about not being used rusting away. Seconded!
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I agree that in part it is better to have one going and being used, rather two sitting there doing nothing. However, if everyone carried on like that, there would be none left at all. Hence we don't have many old cars left in this country. I'm not sure that breaking a car purely for money is a good thing either...
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sciroccorrado
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Put it another way, if you hadn't done it somebody else will...
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www.autoposter.co.ukVW MotorSport Corrado Campaign (Dusty Mauve, Red Leather) | Scirocco Storm (Cosmos Blue, Blue Leather) Passat 20v (Oak Green, black cloth ) | Seat Toledo Mk2 (Green, no longer with Teddy Ronals, but Blue Recaros)
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Aug 16, 2005 10:29:13 GMT
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2 cars = 1 good one. If a donor car is beyond saving then you have no choice other than to break it, especially if it has the unique parts that you need.
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Aug 16, 2005 10:43:36 GMT
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i must admit to breaking several m1/2 minis in the past but all were beyond economical repair and everything i sold on was offered at reasonable prices, small stuff always get given away cos i like to think that i'd get the same treatment if i needed something. sometimes it happens, sometimes you give stuff away (and post for nowt) and don't even get a thankyou for your trouble....oh well.
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Aug 16, 2005 11:13:42 GMT
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There`s a few people on the Mini forums kicking off about breaking Mini`s lately - does seem to be more money to be made by breaking though ..
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Aug 16, 2005 14:07:10 GMT
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It depends.
one argument says that if the donor car could actual be made right, then it should have the chance to live. Especially if the parts to be stolen could actually be easily repaired by a bit of time & money (eg interiors).
othertimes like with the "storm", it is only cosmetic differences to that of a normal version - but then once the "choice" parts have been stolen from the donor car, then the donor car will then have very little chance of being restored following the theft.
I suppose it also depends on how bad the donor car is & how rare it is.
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Aug 16, 2005 14:40:10 GMT
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i was considering it for money reasons - it had a good bonnet where mine is dented and scratched and rusting quite badly underneath. i need both front wheel bearings doing now. i could also do with a new head and engine mounts.... then there's faffy interior bits like a centre console yada yada.
the cost to do all the work to my car would be a fair few hundred quid. to buy a car for £100 and have all the parts there makes sense.... the Storm by no means has "unique" parts - it's basically a GTi with leather trim and a painted bodykit - but to take the parts off another Storm instead of buying them from a breaker, prepping and painting panels and bodykit saves time and money.
anyway. like i said the car in question has vanished but i was just wondering what you lot would do.
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Never trust a man Who names himself Trevor. Or one day you might find He's not a real drug dealer.
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Aug 16, 2005 14:53:39 GMT
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like i said oop there, mine's gotta be stripped soon AND i know of a mk1 GTi in a scrappy that's not had the engine touched yet, Bits at Micks at Lenton.
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Aug 16, 2005 15:03:34 GMT
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Hmmm not sure if the mk1 GTi has the same engine..... only really need the head. i shall look into it with all gusto, cheers! how much for your bonnet Guz? is it fairly straight? dunno whether to spray mine on the car or get a new one, spray that and swap them. i want your gearknob
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Never trust a man Who names himself Trevor. Or one day you might find He's not a real drug dealer.
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slater
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Aug 16, 2005 16:09:04 GMT
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If its beyond sensible to repair then its fine. If its un economical but could be done then your on dodgey ground imo.
I had to scrap my fiat last week but that relly was beyond repair. we are talking replacment of the whole exterior bodywork to get it back to a usable state!
Is there no one around your way who has a scrap yard (normaly not run as a buisness) who dosent attualy crush up usable cars? i know of several guys near me who have huge areas of land and just fill them up with unwanted cars cous they know they will be worth something in 10years time. One guy i know (suffolk minis) will take all kinds of old curse word and he dosent crush it up unless its relly past it! just saves it and lets people come take bits off virtualy for free! (top chap)
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impmann
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Aug 16, 2005 19:01:10 GMT
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If its dead - kill it so other cars can live on.
If its not - try to find a good home for it.
However, after trying to find a home for various projects over the last 17 years, its a lot more profitable and easy to opt for the breaking option. A great shame, as I hate killing cars... (contrary to what certain small minded dangleberrys may say within the Imp club - but they have no friends ;D).
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sciroccorrado
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Aug 17, 2005 11:48:59 GMT
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Mk1 Scirocco GTi's had 1600i engines, Mk2 GTi's actually had the same engine. The Storm was the first of the Mk2s to feature the 1800DX engine. Early Mk1 Golf GTi's had 1600, last couple of years (83-?) had 1800DX lump. I've had mine "retrained" to 1900 with Schrick cams and it sounds bloody luverly [pedant] BTW Pillock, your Storm badge is on the wrong side of the grille [/pedant]
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www.autoposter.co.ukVW MotorSport Corrado Campaign (Dusty Mauve, Red Leather) | Scirocco Storm (Cosmos Blue, Blue Leather) Passat 20v (Oak Green, black cloth ) | Seat Toledo Mk2 (Green, no longer with Teddy Ronals, but Blue Recaros)
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Aug 17, 2005 14:22:23 GMT
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my storm badge was also sprayed bronze in that photo before i b&w'ed it.... one of numerous annoyances on the car. It had a rear storm badge instead of decals - hello rusty holes! a previous owner had gone mental with some bronze paint (door handles, wiper arms, all badges, air intake) and stickers/coachlines. there were even Revs stickers in it!! it's getting more and more stock though - the badge has been repainted and it sat right here awaiting me remembering to go and put it back on. the right side
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Never trust a man Who names himself Trevor. Or one day you might find He's not a real drug dealer.
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sciroccorrado
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Aug 17, 2005 16:42:43 GMT
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If you've got a Rear Storm badge it's probably worth a fortune on the Corrado Forum, as chances are it's a Corrado one... Up one slat as well, about halfway between the VW badge and the inner spotlight Good luck trying to get the decals (unless you've had some made up!), but at least you've still got the front badge as they ARE impossible to get hold of now
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www.autoposter.co.ukVW MotorSport Corrado Campaign (Dusty Mauve, Red Leather) | Scirocco Storm (Cosmos Blue, Blue Leather) Passat 20v (Oak Green, black cloth ) | Seat Toledo Mk2 (Green, no longer with Teddy Ronals, but Blue Recaros)
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Aug 17, 2005 17:53:14 GMT
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I found a set of rear decals for £6 which are now on the car, with the holes removed and rear panel painted. The badge was from a mk1 Scirocco and has just sold on ebay for £3, nicely painted. It's a one piece plastic one that says "Scirocco Storm" so it's deffo not from a corrado the front badge has broken mounting lugs but i think a dob of silicone should hold it, something that won't eat into any plastic. furthering the quest to make it more stock, i've just bought an MR23 head unit for a pound from ebay! wired the 'leccy aerial in too. all i have to decide is whether to get some montreal wheels, or should i stick with the golf country 5-spoke speedlines.... they do make it look ever so 'ard. but they're about 6 years too young to be a dealer fit option. can i just ask.... your 1900 conversion with trick shrick cam. costly? -clenchingly costly? i'm gonna need some engine work soon, i'm topping up oil far too often to be healthy, and if i'm spending the cash i might as well make it a bit more grunty.
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Last Edit: Aug 17, 2005 17:55:02 GMT by Pillock
Never trust a man Who names himself Trevor. Or one day you might find He's not a real drug dealer.
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