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Jul 19, 2005 11:08:10 GMT
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hello everyone,
I was just wondering what you all think about the driving age, do you agree that it should be 17?
I personally feel that at anytime after 15 people should be able to take the driving test and if they are good enough they should be given a liesence.
I did some driving on some private land at the weekend and I didn't stall when moving off and got all the way upto 3rd at 50mph and stopped again while changing down without crunching the brakes.
So with a little more practice I could become quite a good driver, so why do I have to wait till I am 17?
Your views are welcome.
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Jul 19, 2005 11:17:12 GMT
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Because if you look at most of the fugging spotty barry curse word who pass their test then think they’re Nigel Mansell, it makes a compelling case for raising the minimum age to late 20’s! At least by then most folks hormones have slowed down a little!
Admittedly not all youngsters are barries, but many are, and I think if the age went down to 15 it would be a proper bloodbath.
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1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT!
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Jul 19, 2005 11:18:44 GMT
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late 20s?
do you really think you could of waited till you 30 before starting to drive?
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emzay
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Jul 19, 2005 11:19:53 GMT
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No. Way. I admit I love driving and am glad I didn't have to wait any longer for it (I'm 18 now, passed at 17) but there is no way I would be in favour of 15 year olds driving around. At 15 I knew far too many idiots who I sill wouldn't trust behind a wheel now let alone then! The young drivers death toll would be even higher! That age limit is there for a damn good reason! Sorry dude, but you just gotta sit it out!
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Jul 19, 2005 11:20:45 GMT
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late 20s? do you really think you could of waited till you 30 before starting to drive? Yes, if it was the law!!!
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1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT!
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Jul 19, 2005 11:27:02 GMT
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I think "allowing" people to start drinking and driving at the same age is a bit crazy,.. so I propose that the legal age to start driving be raised to 20 and the legal age to start drinking be raised to 37. As a rule young people think they are indestructable... which is pretty a dangerous frame of mind on someone behind the wheel of a vehicle. I also think all moped/scooters should be crushed, preferably with their riders on,... except for classic Vespas...
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Last Edit: Jul 19, 2005 11:32:05 GMT by HoTWire
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Jul 19, 2005 11:28:01 GMT
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i think 17 is a nice compromise.... yes there are good drivers who can sit in a car at 15 or younger and make a better job of it than most older people, but they are far outnumbered by t0ss3rs who i'd trust with a chainsaw and a kitten over a set of car keys.
i vote for keep it at 17 but if you get stopped for something reckless in your first year (speeding, dangerous driving, being within a mile of a 'cruise') you lose your licence, no arguments, and then have to take a test.
in fact i'd be all up for retaking a test every 5 years no matter what - i'm damn sure my driving has become 'sloppy' since i passed 9 years ago, and judging by the other drivers i see every day i'm not alone. it'd help weed out the criminally bad ones who only passed by sheer fluke - i'm sorry, but if you have to take your test 86 times like you read about people doing, then you're going to one day pass and it won't be down to skill.
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Never trust a man Who names himself Trevor. Or one day you might find He's not a real drug dealer.
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Jul 19, 2005 11:28:24 GMT
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^Agreed^
You may be mature / skilled enough. But I'd imagine the majority of acne-ridden oiks would be a liablity if let loose behind the wheel. Don't forget that it's one thing to be on your own in a field, but quite another when contending with every other muppet on the road.....
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Jul 19, 2005 11:30:14 GMT
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I wouldn't have trusted myself behind a wheel of a car at 15, no way, I know plenty of people my age (18) who I would never get into a car with now let alone when they were younger.
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Nick
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Jul 19, 2005 11:37:16 GMT
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i think it doesnt matter what age you are to an extent when you pass your test, i see plenty of oblivious dangerous drivers who pass in later life.
17 is a good compromise i think. definately wouldnt like to advocate an earlier age, personally i think more things needed to be included in the test, and examiners shouldnt have a "quota" a week to pass/fail i think that makes a farce of the whole system.
a more stringent test, with perhaps a engine size/ power to weight limitation. ok that seems odd since any car that can get to 30 can theoretically kill you. but my brothers friend passed his test his parents let them drive their impreza (they must have been brain dead) and then 2weeks after he had managed to crash his car and kill his girlfriend and he is now in prison for 3years.
but you get curse word at all age groups really so i think a better test with even more safety awareness should be brought in for definate.
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
this weeks car count "5"
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Jul 19, 2005 11:40:42 GMT
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and examiners shouldnt have a "quota" a week to pass/fail i think that makes a farce of the whole system. Does such a thing exist? I thought that was one of these urban myths.
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1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT!
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Young DrivingBenzBoy
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Jul 19, 2005 11:45:54 GMT
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15?! No way! 17 is young enough. Cars are lethal weapons, and only adults should have the responsibility of driving one. Imagine if some 15 year old kid mowed down a bus queue of grannies - he wouldn't be charged as an adult... that'd create havoc. Young people (and I include myself when I was younger) do stupid enough things without the option to do it in a tonne of steel and plastic.
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Nick
Posted a lot
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Jul 19, 2005 11:49:30 GMT
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and examiners shouldnt have a "quota" a week to pass/fail i think that makes a farce of the whole system. Does such a thing exist? I thought that was one of these urban myths. apparently so according to a family friend who is a driving instructor, there is a magazine that driving instructors/examiners get and in it a month or so back there was a big uproar about it and how its making a farce of the test. up until then i assumed it was just an excuse people used for not passing
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
this weeks car count "5"
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Jul 19, 2005 11:50:06 GMT
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and examiners shouldnt have a "quota" a week to pass/fail i think that makes a farce of the whole system. Does such a thing exist? I thought that was one of these urban myths. as far as i know, yes! i asked my instructor and he confirmed it, although this was back in 1996.
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Never trust a man Who names himself Trevor. Or one day you might find He's not a real drug dealer.
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Jul 19, 2005 11:52:52 GMT
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Imagine if some 15 year old kid mowed down a bus queue of grannies - he wouldn't be charged as an adult... that'd create havoc. A most excellent point. A slap on the wrist, a few hours comm serv, and the right to public anonymity is all a 15 year old would get. Mind you that's more the fault of the system as a whole. Like those fucktards who get caught with no driving license etc. What do they get... £50 fine and a two-year ban. Like that's a deterrant to a 15-year-old glue-sniffing hoodie-wearing joyrider.... ([/old git mode])
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Jul 19, 2005 11:57:42 GMT
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i think it should be raised! (and I'm 18)
within 23 days of passing i hit a tree doing 50mph in a mk3 fester, and was lucky to come out alive and not hit anything else/anyone.
saying that, now ive clamed down a lot and never speed or do anything stupid (apart from them obligatory rwd moments on empty car parks in the snow of course) personally i think you should have to have a sticker on ur car (like a "P" sticker) stating your have been driving for under a year, which should mean that police can pick up on any stupid behaviour from new drivers and punish them a bit harder (could also work the other way, and give newer drivers a bit more leway for incompetence, but not stupidity)
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Jul 19, 2005 12:05:14 GMT
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When I was a kid I used to chomp at the bit to be able to drive, the curse of growing up around old cars, lorries and the like is that I was surprisingly competent at the wheel of a car, van, artic lorry, or just about anything else I ever got the chance to practice in almost as soon as I was big enough to reach the controls. ;D ;D It was great fun to begin with, but soon I'd get fed up of driving lorries around the unsused shipyard grounds and old factories, and sliding old cars around on the wasteground round the lockup, I wanted to be on the road.
On reflection though, now that I am old enough, had I begun driving at 15, I'd have probably went out racing down the Greenock waterfront every night like the neds do, and I'd have been killed soon after I got my licence. I have no doubt that there are some15 year olds who are rational enough, and clever enough, to be able to control a motor, but as soon as the adreniline got pulsing and their parents were safely out of sight they'd think they were Colin McRae.
A few years on, and after seeing a few people I knew from my school days having accidents soon after they got their license because they thought they were rally drivers, I'm now mature enough to tell myself "Don't be so f*cking stupid" should the urge hit me to floor it. But I don't think I would have done that then. I never was into skidging school because I knew I'd end up failing the exams, but the culture in the school I went to at the time was such that if any of us thought we could have got away with it, I reckon we'd all have been leaving the house telling our mums we were driving to school, then heading down the waterfront to race for the day. Personally I'm glad I wasn't driving at that age, because I was really into cars then too, but I wasn't that mature even though I thought I was, and I'd probably have either wasted my life racing instead of going to school, and getting arrested for it, or I'd have been dead.
So I'd say no, even though some kids could handle driving, I'd say most couldn't, even if they were otherwise alright kids who wouldn't normally do stupid stuff. When you first get your license it does something to your mind, I'm sure if you remember when you got it you'll know what I mean. You wanted to drive everywhere, you hated getting a lift or going on the train or something, and you felt like you were the greatest driver in the world, and that no speed was too high for you. Now that only dies down once you've matured and mellowed a little, and once you've frightened yourself with how close you came to landing in a ditch or hitting something, or got a rollicking from a copper about the speed you were doing at the traffic lights one too many times. (or is that just me? ;D ;D) I really think that if you let 15 year olds drive then too many of them aren't going to realise they're mortal until it's too late.
No offence to anyone of that age incidentally, because I'm sure there are a number of you who're very mature, and could probably handle a motor. The problem is that at that age I thought I could too, and if I'd been allowed to, then I wouldn't be speaking to you now.
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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Jul 19, 2005 12:06:50 GMT
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and examiners shouldnt have a "quota" a week to pass/fail i think that makes a farce of the whole system. Does such a thing exist? I thought that was one of these urban myths. Probably not a myth - on one occasion when when I failed my test, my instructor copied all the details of the fail sheet, as the local Driving Instructor's association were analysing the results to check whether there was a pattern & therefore also a quota system. At a previous occasion when I failed my test (I passed on the 5th), the examiner diappeared immediatey, having explained only very briefly why I had failed - I can only assume that he wanted to avoid my instructor who was walking towards the car. The 'reason' for the fail was pathetic (result of a Catch 22) and subsequent instructors all reckoned that I was failed as a result of the rumoured quota. After that one though, it was nerves that caused me to fail, until I gave up caring (which is when I passed!).
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Jul 19, 2005 12:12:43 GMT
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I grew up around cars - competed in minicross for quite a while too...Spent lots of time hooning around farmland in MOT-failures...
I'm just getting my licence now at the age of 21...A combination of not having time/money and not really needing to drive.
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Jul 19, 2005 12:16:45 GMT
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I'm just getting my licence now at the age of 21...A combination of not having time/money and not really needing to drive. Kinda the same here,.. I'm hugely passionate about cars, but didn't take my test until I was 20 ,.. I kind of enjoy walking places ,.. If it wasn't 16 miles away I'd walk to work...
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