petesc
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Aug 21, 2008 21:26:13 GMT
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This cropped up on our club126uk site a couple of days ago, Thanks to Kerry. Okay, so a lot of you may already know about this, but I didn't so, by that token, I guess there will be some who don't. According to various reliable sources, tyres over 6 years old pose a serious safety threat, even if they've never been used. This is because the rubber deteriorates invisibly and the tread is liable to rip away from the sidewall when driving. The first link I saw was this one: abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4826897 Now, I'm usually a little sceptical of our American friends, over-sensationalising things, so I found the following from RoSPA: www.rospa.com/roadsafety/advice/motorvehicles/tyres.htm I've just been sold two 'new' tyres which are at least 8 years old; I'm in the process of exchanging them. Meanwhile, I suggest you all check yours - here's how: www.carbibles.com/tyre_bible.html This issue is especially important for low-mileage cars, caravans/trailers and the spare tyre on any vehicle. |
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Last Edit: Aug 23, 2008 22:12:37 GMT by petesc
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stealthstylz
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How Safe/Old Are Your Tyresstealthstylz
@stealthstylz
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Aug 21, 2008 21:33:09 GMT
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If you keep them in the dark the rubber is fine, its UV light that does the damage.
Matt
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Aug 21, 2008 21:45:13 GMT
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WHS. Theres cars running round on tyres 30, 50, 70 years old which have been properly stored. OTOH there's cars running round on tyres 30, 50, 70 years old which have not...  You should inspect your tyres regularly. Not just for tread depth but for signs of crazing, delamination, cuts, nicks, nails, etc. and make a judgement when they are "done" regardless of tread. Its kind of the nature of older cars that we have older tyres often, and if the car has been stood for a long time then it could be 20 year old crazed to blazes tyres with 6 mm tread on them still. Best course of action is big smokey burnouts everywhere you go so you are never faced with this problem |
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Seth
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Aug 21, 2008 21:48:43 GMT
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Best course of action is big smokey burnouts everywhere you go so you are never faced with this problem  Check your spare too! A reminder of what one under a 40 year old one owner car that is fitted with radials can look like...  |
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kevfromwales
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the conrod's REALLY out the block now!
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Aug 21, 2008 21:49:38 GMT
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Best course of action is big smokey burnouts everywhere you go so you are never faced with this problem works for me! ;D edit - beaten to it by seth - great minds think alike eh? |
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Almost on the road: b11 sunny breadvan, e36 tds, 325i skidcar,
nearly there: ford f250 tathauler, suzuki alto, u11 bluey
not for a while: ford pop, 32 rails,
not in this lifetime: ruby, '29 hillman
''unfortanatly I'm quite old and scruffy and in need of some loving. my drive shaft needs a new boot....''
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Aug 21, 2008 21:55:28 GMT
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Kev, I have a slip yoke I can include with that box for you BTW.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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kevfromwales
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the conrod's REALLY out the block now!
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Aug 21, 2008 23:33:37 GMT
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woooooooooot!!!
see you on the 31st!!!!
- kev
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Almost on the road: b11 sunny breadvan, e36 tds, 325i skidcar,
nearly there: ford f250 tathauler, suzuki alto, u11 bluey
not for a while: ford pop, 32 rails,
not in this lifetime: ruby, '29 hillman
''unfortanatly I'm quite old and scruffy and in need of some loving. my drive shaft needs a new boot....''
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MartinC
Part of things
Don't like stretched tyres, very low profile tyres & I think a car CAN be too low. Perhaps I'm odd.
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These "various reliable sources" are usually part of the SMMT...
Cynical? Me?
Old tyres are fine if stored in the dark. Knackered tyres are knackered regardless of age.
MMmmmm lovely lovely crossplies... mmmmm.....
Dunlop Weathermasters.... mmmm... Firestone Town & Country.... mmmmyomm..
Oh, excuse me I got carried away again.
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I check my spare quite regularly, mostly to make sure no sod has pinched it.
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berendd
Europe
why do I need 3 keys for one car?
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In germany the DOT age of the tyres is inspected with MOT, and I thought it was illegal to use tyres older than 6 or 8 years.. so lot's of older stuff pops up on german ebay for nawt.
older tyres are usable but beware of ones that have been in direct sunlight, cos like stated before it's the UV light that does the damage.
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Yeah I've recently replace some NOS one on the van my dad gave me, they have been on like 9 months but crazed like mad, had a few like this now. Sticking with new ens as much as poss now, no more worries, Hmmm smells beaudiful too! |
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I used to work in the michelin tyres warehouse in laindon, they've got tyres stored in there for proper vintage cars from the 30's as well as tyres for ww2 planes, if they can store em for years and sell em it must be ok, although the part worn tyre place i use wont sell stuff older than about 3 years although i guess them tyres will have been out in the sun on a vehicle at some point.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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We should all know a little bit about our own tyres. The rears on my Volvo were on it when I bought it so I havent a clue how old they are?
Theres loads of tread left on them so I'm not binning them yet!
The point being, I'm not about to go hanging the back end out on corners. Its all about personal responsibility.
Plus as for part worns? I've NEVER had a GOOD experience with part worns! They're either already knackered or just not cheap enough for what you get! Wheres the peace of mind in that...?
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Stu_B
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Investing in rust!
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Aug 22, 2008 10:11:29 GMT
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I have 235/50/13 BFGoodriches on my rear wolfies.... I don't know how old they are but I probably shouldn't use them again  I probably will though cos where am I gonna find a similar tyre for that 'muscle car' look.... |
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Aug 22, 2008 10:36:24 GMT
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TBH it's not age it's condition. In my experience when I've had tyres left on cars for long times they start cracking way before that time limit and it's obvious they need replacing. It's just the way it is, tyres are a consumable and need replacing every now and then no matter what. Yes, it hurts to replace a Herald tyre with good enough tread to pass as nearly new from some angles but when you look from another angle and see the cracks you have to sober up for a moment.
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Aug 22, 2008 10:49:14 GMT
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This is something I've been looking into as I bought a set of wheels with tyres the other week. The tyres themselves had plenty of tread, but were date coded 0802 (8th week of '02). Given that the fronts had been chewed up badly by the arches before I managed to sort the clearances out, it would have been very silly to just replace the front tyres.... The new set of tyres on the other hand, are coded 0708  |
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Aug 22, 2008 10:52:37 GMT
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The most important thing is just to keep an eye on your tyres. Failure is still more likely of the pressures aren't right but my last puncture was due to an aged tyre. Granted, it had been sitting on a car in a lock-up for many years with no air in it...
Before that, the Merc had a definite back end wobble, so obviously I just drove home without doing anything! I did change it for the spare once I made it back though.
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Aug 22, 2008 10:54:43 GMT
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Plus as for part worns? I've NEVER had a GOOD experience with part worns! They're either already knackered or just not cheap enough for what you get! Wheres the peace of mind in that...? I've never had a bad experiance with part worns. Check the tyre inside and out before you pay for it. Every used car I ever bought also came with 4 part worns on it already The only bad experiances I have had with tyres have come from buying *new* but budget brand tyres. And one time with a Dunlop which delaminated after about a thousand miles, and no, they didn't offer a warranty on it. I have been buying Pirrelli and Good Year and Bridgestone tyres used for £10-£15 fitted (depending on size) when the same tyre new costs £50-£70+ thats a worthy saving. But then I always put new tyres on the wife's car. Now why is that? |
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skinnylew
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How Safe/Old Are Your Tyresskinnylew
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Aug 22, 2008 12:18:07 GMT
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As said its all about how they are stored and treated. I bought a set of XR2i alloys for my fiesta and the tread was really good, but after a month or so one of the fronts ripped the tread off after wheel spinning off a roundabout. The Tyre stayed fully inflated but 1/2 the tread down the the centre was flapping about. Apparently the car had sat for 6 months on a driveway with under inflated tyres and it caused crazing in between the tread blocks.
But on the other hand ive done 1000's of miles on a tyre that i unscrewed a screw from and filled with Tyreweld, never lost any pressure and balanced fine.
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Aug 22, 2008 13:00:29 GMT
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OK, this is quite an extreme example, but my Dad has a 2-wheel car trailer (built to carry Aston Martin V8s) which uses commercial van tyres.
Last summer it was carrying my Rover SD1 V8S down the M1 at about 60mph. One of the tyres (which was on the trailer when we bought it, 10 years ago) blew out. The tread whipped round and destroyed the mudguard, bent one of the mudguard stays (1" by 1 1/4" steel bar) and ripped the other one off. Luckily, my Dad was driving, and was able to keep the car in a straight line and pull onto the hard shoulder.
Looking at the tyre, it was perfect. Loads of tread, and no sign of any splits, cracks or bulges in the sidewalls. Both my Dad and I checked they tyres and pressures (around 50psi, IIRC) before we left home, and again at the scrapyard in Nottingham.
Having looked at the date code on the tyre today, it was made in week 3, 1986. The tyres have been out of direct sunlight for as long as we have owned the trailer, and also before then when it was owned by an Aston Martin specialist.
My point here is that even if a tyre looks perfect, and you believe it to have been well looked after, it can still let go if it's old.
OTOH, my Brother's (not-MOTd) Mini has done just under 30,000 miles since it was built in 1989. It still has it's original rear tyres, with loads of tread. However, they have visibly deteriorated, with large splits in the sidewalls.
I shall add some photos of the trailer tyre here shortly.
James
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