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Feb 14, 2008 21:27:51 GMT
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On another subject: (prolly should be a separate post) If suggestions are being collected, I think it is a *serious* mistake to eschew regulatory/legislative subject matter and the attendant realpolitik. There really really needs to be a healthy discussion and means of taking collective action on these matters. The problem is that we lack the capability to discuss that sort of thing sensibly and maturely. See we have a history of having things pretty slack in the UK, we've been pretty much left to do what we like and where there were laws enacted which may have constrained us, well they just weren't enforced and many ignored them. Many people believe that this state of affairs will carry on for ever. Heads are stuck deep into the sand. Any suggestion that it won't carry on for ever as it is now is met with claims of "scaremongering" and much mocking. Many people look to the most restrictive legislation in Europe or wherever, scale it up by a factor of 10 and claim "its coming here soon! some new EU law I read about on the web..." and other general barking at the moon. Its not helped by the fact that people have become so cynical about politicians that out of principal we don't believe a word they say ever and believe that they have some secret agenda to make us all slaves and raise extra taxes (like Gordon Brown is on commission or something!) What the conspiricy theorists forget is that if it were really all a scam to keep us away from the real issues then the politicians would be bending over backwards to make us happy - not trying to curse word us off at every turn... There are very few people taking an informed sensible middle ground. Laws change all the time. Some liberate us, some screw us over... Actually taking attention and seeing whats REALLY going on takes a lot of effort and people can't be arsed, they'd rather just rant about how "the government hasit in for us because they'd rather giive all our money to illegal imigrants" than try and fathom what the latest road traffic act ammendments actually mean. See how much cock was talked about the any cruising order passed in Nottingham and deliberate misinformation spread about it... Meh. Rant over
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Feb 14, 2008 21:37:04 GMT
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Politics is something this forum can do without.
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Feb 14, 2008 21:47:55 GMT
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I haven't read all of this thread, mainly because I've been selfishly wrapped up in my own pursuits and missed most of it. I am/have been guilty of many of the sins refered to. In fact having just posted a "tell me about" thread! I do reckon its a lot to do with the high volume of traffic and the time of year. I'd love to be out doing inspirational things with cars but (a) I'm usually skint and (b) its bloody freezin. I apologise to all who may have been offended by my pointless ramblings(including this!) and will try to redeem myself by posting interesting stuff. Best MPV ever?
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Last Edit: Feb 14, 2008 21:49:45 GMT by Fennec
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Feb 14, 2008 21:53:03 GMT
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Politics is something this forum can do without. So you'd rather we all put our fingers in our ears and went "lalalala!" if some kind of legislation comes up which genuinely affects our hobby? Yes, discussions on legilsation can get a bit silly, and some should be weeded out such as the infamous "omg 10 downing street CLASSIC CAR PETITION!1!!one!" thing. But if a genuine opportunity for/threat to our activities arose from new laws and politics, I'd say it has a place here as long as the discussion is sensible.
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Feb 14, 2008 21:57:31 GMT
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i think that reliability isuse in retros compared to new cars is irrellivent! imagine the average loss of money in depreciation on a new or very modern car?......
imagine feeding that in a retro car maybe a new xe engine in ones chevette for instance every 3 years and a full set of new ball joints.....
that should keep it reliable... and it would prob' never go down in value either! ok thats extreems i mean, really you should never need to replace parts so often! but really.. when it comes to it I spend less. and i mean, MUCH less on keeping my retro on the road a year AND modifying it than would be the average service costs of a modern.!(comes from discussions with family and freinds plus the odd garage owning people i know..) and i get to drive something that really is individual! plus its worth the same but more likely more than what i paid for it! i cant really ever understand what the point in moderns are for?? fashion and keeping up with the jones's id imagine plus the complete lack of imagination... i have personnally proved many many times to my own family that retro verses moderns that retros win hands down on reliability and cost... but then i havent got air conditioning!! maybe those thousands are worth it??? don't THINK SO!! si
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Feb 14, 2008 22:00:33 GMT
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I think that reliability isuse in retros compared to new cars is irrellivent! imagine the average loss of money in depreciation on a new or very modern car?...... imagine feeding that in a retro car maybe a new xe engine in ones chevette for instance every 3 years and a full set of new ball joints..... that should keep it reliable... and it would prob' never go down in value either! ok thats extreems I mean, really you should never need to replace parts so often! but really.. when it comes to it I spend less. and I mean, MUCH less on keeping my retro on the road a year AND modifying it than would be the average service costs of a modern.!(comes from discussions with family and freinds plus the odd garage owning people I know..) and I get to drive something that really is individual! plus its worth the same but more likely more than what I paid for it! I cant really ever understand what the point in moderns are for?? fashion and keeping up with the jones's id imagine plus the complete lack of imagination... I have personnally proved many many times to my own family that retro verses moderns that retros win hands down on reliability and cost... but then I havent got air conditioning!! maybe those thousands are worth it??? don't THINK SO!! si he he toys from pram etc...! just needed a rant! si
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Feb 14, 2008 22:20:50 GMT
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Modern cars are just something some of us enjoy, same as we enjoy the retros. Yes, I did say enjoy. The 'point' of them is the same 'point' as classics, people like them and vote with their wallets either way for varying reasons. I like my modern car because it's effortless and lovely to drive, was bought at an extremely good price (see, not all modern cars cost a fortune), is incredibly well built and totally reliable. Rubbish argument I know but modern technology like airbags and side impact bars make it safer for my kids to be in too. Mine is also cheaper to run than my retro but I love them both equally. The other plus is that I can switch from something modern, effortless and 'braindead' to drive to something involving, passionate and beautiful. It's sort of like they both compliment each other. Anyhow this forum isn't for modern cars and I've just been sucked in to extolling them so please excuse me for that, but at the same time lets lay off the bashing of modern cars, it's a choice thing and as long as we don't start seeing threads about 4 months old cars then who cares?
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Feb 14, 2008 22:22:33 GMT
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I can't be doing with reading all of this, got two pages in but meh! Dunno about anyone else but I'm just kind of waiting for the year to get started really so I'm feeling totally uninspired. P'raps everyone just feels the same? Have a random Maltese pick up!
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B-8-D
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Feb 14, 2008 22:28:33 GMT
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not bashing moderns its just from my viewpoint (and i may be on my own on this one?) for me airbags and such like are something i can do without and my retro does all i need it to do ie' drive me safley and confortably from a to b AND i enjoy the drive! each to their on and that just cant justify the loads of extra money that a newer car costs when it does pretty much the same as my older car!? just a rant really not to get blood pressure up. my viewpiont to see the other side of what some people have written si
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Feb 14, 2008 22:29:26 GMT
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Modern cars talkie talkie i like modern cars too, sometimes. i aspire towards a cts-v and a 300C and an R34 and a Supra TT and and and ... etc. so kick me off the board before i dilute its greatness or infect it or something.
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Feb 14, 2008 22:33:28 GMT
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sorry about the thread going off the title on my part.. so....
yes the forum has had a few pointless threads recently.. and its prob something to do with its success as in more people more tessers! lol but on the whole its the ONLY forum i check every day! brillient! si
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Feb 14, 2008 22:45:27 GMT
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I would just like to add that my remarks above were not 'personal' and this forum really is rammed full of sensible, adult people with interesting views and even interestinger vehicles. Quite agree with your last comment Si., brilliant sums it up nicely.
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Feb 14, 2008 22:49:18 GMT
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I have been really enjoying your threads. Cheers, Dave. Will press on. In reply to Norms other point about legislation and stuff, we DO have enough people to actually spread news and information, I'm hoping this is something else that Retro Cars can take a bit of a lead on. Perhaps one day, RR too. The confluence of so many experts, PR folk, and enthusiasts happens here to an extent not found in a single magazine. I would add a note to folk who reflexively pop up with "no politics," that everything we drive as retros, whether a Pontiac GTO, Fiat Topolino, Escort Mk1, Nissan Sentra, or a DeLorean, all derived from politics. Politics in the boardroom, Parliament, foreign embargos right thru to MFN status, local councils, taxation, parking regs, enviro regs, racing regs, FIA rulings, etc etc. It's all politics. Life, in fact, is politics. "Everything else is waiting." What Sammage said too.
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Feb 14, 2008 23:20:30 GMT
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I like modern cars too, sometimes. I aspire towards a cts-v and a 300C and an R34 and a Supra TT and and and ... etc. so kick me off the board before I dilute its greatness or infect it or something. I can't drive and don't own a car. Guess I'd be getting kicked off too... Oh the irony - I've just contributed an entirely useless post to this thread.
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Last Edit: Feb 14, 2008 23:21:13 GMT by Rich606
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Feb 14, 2008 23:29:47 GMT
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just a thought.. surely we want more and more people on the site, why else would we be rocking our Retro-Rides.com stickers and handing out flyers eh! i think this thread is good. for me its been interesting to read so many different view points and opinions, and i think the forum WILL become a better place from it. already i've noticed the quality of threads have been raised, so yeah, can only get better right?! more beemers, maaaan!
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Is it just me or.........BenzBoy
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Feb 14, 2008 23:44:31 GMT
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I think the upshot of all this is: We can't all sit back, log on and say "Feed me the good sh*t!" - we need to go out there and find it. Post up interesting cars. Talk about interesting car-related things. I'm as guilty as the next man. I don't often start threads about cars I've found on the internet... so how can I expect others to? As has been said: we all have a responsibility to feed this site with new stuff. We get out what we put in.
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I would add a note to folk who reflexively pop up with "no politics," that everything we drive as retros, whether a Pontiac GTO, Fiat Topolino, Escort Mk1, Nissan Sentra, or a DeLorean, all derived from politics. Politics in the boardroom, Parliament, foreign embargos right thru to MFN status, local councils, taxation, parking regs, enviro regs, racing regs, FIA rulings, etc etc. It's all politics. Life, in fact, is politics. "Everything else is waiting." Well said. Politics, as in govt. / council policies that impact on car enthusiasts, is very much on topic. However imho, party politics is not.
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This is way too much effort to read... So... I'm leaving in an hour on a 2000km epic trip in the KP, because I just decided to.... and it's loaded with 7 alloy wheels, a set of suspension and other car parts, because I'm a nice guy and instead of making folk pay freight, I'll do a delivery. And it's raining. Hopefully, the car makes it... I'll start a worthwhile thread when I get back
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Boredom threshold reached...
I'm off to read DarrenW's posts to see what happens when someone doesn't just talk about posting quality posts, instead choosing to lead by action.
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