braaap
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Mar 22, 2023 11:15:31 GMT
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Might be on my own here, but getting a fenderless car really low is a bit of a waste of time. There's no fender lip to visually measure the wheel against, which makes it difficult to judge at a glance. No need to mess about with air ride. You can run a Beetle low enough anyway, without any of that stuff. It was me who suggested that simplified airride system for the front end only, just in case he really A) would opt for a long nose bonnet reaching much further down than the current bonnet and B) would really slam the front end in parking position with my suggested custom beam extender. The airride would only be to make the front end driveable. So I was more on my own here than You probably. btw. most ratrods are fenderless but slammed. All timewasters? I'm really no ratrod fan, but I would like them even less if they were not slammed.
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Last Edit: Mar 22, 2023 11:17:17 GMT by braaap
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Mar 22, 2023 18:39:39 GMT
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While I like hot rods, I actually dislike most of what are generally called rat rods. If you were asking me which one of these trucks I prefer, then it definitely isn't the one that's resting on the floor. It just makes them look broken. It always looked to me like having it laying on the ground (unless you're building an actual lowrider) is just about trying to be more extreme than the next guy. More low, more roof chopped, more rusty, bigger wheels, how much comedy tat/rubber rats/old bits of rope/jerry cans can you hang off the car, etc. And if that's all you're trying to do, then you probably aren't putting much consideration into why you're doing it or what makes for a good looking car, rather than just an "extreme" one.
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Last Edit: Mar 22, 2023 18:42:23 GMT by horrido
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Mar 22, 2023 19:05:35 GMT
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I love the fenderless look. My '28 is fenderless, and its pretty low too. But I did keep it at a rideheight that will clear speedbumps. To balance out the body, visually, I used 16" wheels. In a way that some old pre war racecars did ( in my mind, anyway... ), with some salt racer influence thrown in. As far as Volksrods, I believe the very first one in that style was built by a guy who was connected to the SoCal Speedshop. I've seen it in person, and I was really impressed. It was completely different from anything else, at the time, but it was done with a lot of respect for existing (traditional) styles. I loved it... So much so in fact that I have considered building my own version. But to take it to a next stage, the picture in my mind was as a Roadster, with a Duvall windshield frame ( would have to be a custom made one-off ), Ford Ibeam in the front ( like that first one had ), the roof cut off at the beltline( going all the way back to where the decklid was ), with the big open space behind the seats taken up by a V8 60 Flathead mated to the original VW box ( turned around for a mid engine configuration), but still using the stock rear fenders closed up with fenderskirts ( no front fenders, or maybe just cyclefenders made out of '36 Ford spare wheel covers ). So because I've spent some time thinking about it, I'm really interested to see this one getting built. Cant wait to see it getting done. Edit. BTW, I'm not a fan of Rat Rods either. To me that style lacks the form follows function that successful builds usually have. And it really makes me cringe when people call my '28 that... ( its not a Rat Rod, its a Trad Hot Rod in bare metal).
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Mar 22, 2023 19:44:04 GMT
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While I like hot rods, I actually dislike most of what are generally called rat rods. If you were asking me which one of these trucks I prefer, then it definitely isn't the one that's resting on the floor. It just makes them look broken. It always looked to me like having it laying on the ground (unless you're building an actual lowrider) is just about trying to be more extreme than the next guy. More low, more roof chopped, more rusty, bigger wheels, how much comedy tat/rubber rats/old bits of rope/jerry cans can you hang off the car, etc. And if that's all you're trying to do, then you probably aren't putting much consideration into why you're doing it or what makes for a good looking car, rather than just an "extreme" one. Agree on the "too low" remarks, I reckon something half way between those two would do me
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This one also ticks a lot of boxes
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zeberdee
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Really like that one . ⏫⏫⏫⏫⏫
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Mar 23, 2023 10:49:20 GMT
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Really like that one . ⏫⏫⏫⏫⏫ That's gotta be on air at the front, surely.
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zeberdee
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Mar 23, 2023 11:05:25 GMT
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You’d be surprised how low some will go static . Have seen a few Americans running v low , but they seem to have very good roads in some areas .
If you’re going for wheel fitment like the one above , you need to think about engine/transmission raising .
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Mar 23, 2023 11:43:57 GMT
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You’d be surprised how low some will go static . Have seen a few Americans running v low , but they seem to have very good roads in some areas . If you’re going for wheel fitment like the one above , you need to think about engine/transmission raising . Nah can't be arsed with all that lol Enough welding to do 😂
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braaap
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Mar 23, 2023 13:48:00 GMT
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I remember one beetle convertible in a magazine over here in germany that had some wedge shaped steel profile welded into the so called rahmenkopf (= frame head), the part where the front beam mounts to (which often needs to be replaced in many restorations anyway), so that it was bend upwards a few degrees. That way the owner got some additional lows and he even had this tested streetlegal. Something like this, on both sides of course:
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zeberdee
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Mar 23, 2023 14:03:22 GMT
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Called a ‘pie cut’ here .
The ball joint beam lower tube sits pretty low & this raises it level with the floor pan .
Also adds castor & that’s needed once you’ve gone lower .
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braaap
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Mar 23, 2023 14:07:02 GMT
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It was the only time I read or heard of that, certainly not the usual lowering method over here. You could buy adjustable beams and also altered knuckles back then, sometimes even TÜV certified.
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zeberdee
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Mar 23, 2023 14:39:29 GMT
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It’s only really for extreme lowering on a ball joint beam’d car .
Drag racers do a very small pie cut , just to add castor .
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Mar 23, 2023 14:54:09 GMT
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So as above with the pie cut could you not add wedge pieces to the bottom of the beam extender?
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Mar 23, 2023 14:56:54 GMT
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I'm going to be using some brass carriage lamps as headlights for the Munster Koach style, convert to run headlights or just get a day time MOT
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braaap
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Mar 23, 2023 15:13:17 GMT
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So as above with the pie cut could you not add wedge pieces to the bottom of the beam extender? Sounds plausible to me.
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zeberdee
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Mar 23, 2023 16:27:05 GMT
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So as above with the pie cut could you not add wedge pieces to the bottom of the beam extender? You’ll get a beam extender with a drop already in it . You definitely won’t need a pie cut with an extender .
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zeberdee
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Mar 23, 2023 16:28:32 GMT
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2 or 3 inch drop in the extender plus 2.5 inch drop spindles .
If more is needed you can adjust your beam .
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Mar 23, 2023 16:57:13 GMT
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Don't pie cut your chassis unless you want to be doing an IVA test and having a Q plate. As has been said, there are plenty of other ways to do the job. My favourite one of these was this Hebmüller styled version...
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