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Aug 24, 2022 15:32:02 GMT
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This is something I started during lockdown in 2020 but didn't finish. I ran into a few problems because I didn't have anywhere to work and some of the tools I was using weren't ideal. I originally posted this on autoshite, but I'm resurrecting the project so I'll put it on here. First few posts will be getting up to date. The back story: Go back 25-30 years and all my music was on tape. I had a Saturday job and used it to fund an expensive Walkman habit. I used to have those tiny cassette box sized ones which were pretty awesome. I started off with a really tiny Panasonic which actually fitted in my tape box. Unfortunately I dropped it and broke the door hinge on one side. It still played but the anti-roll was knacked so it was annoying to listen to if it was in your pocket. I replaced it with a Sony. Was never quite as happy with it as the Panasonic and it packed up 3 weeks after the warranty. I managed to get Sony to replace it, however, and they sent me the new model which was polished chrome. It was essentially the same Walkman in a different case and died after an almost identical time period. I replaced that with a particularly expensive Aiwa, which lasted little more than a couple of days... I was carrying a concrete block in my bag and slammed it down on the counter in a comical fashion to show how heavy it was. Only later on I found the new Aiwa was in the bottom of my bag and now crushed flat. Agh! Final expensive purchase was my leaving school present to myself. Fully loaded Panasonic RQ-SX55 with flash folding-back door, remote control etc. Bought it in Duty Free so it was slightly less expensive. I really looked after this one and it lasted a few years before it got dropped, then I leant it to a mate who didn’t look after it and I didn’t see it for years. By then it was looking a bit sorry for itself and got put in a box and put away. I still have it. This is it in the pic. Unfortunately it’s also now not working, but I’m going to have a crack at restoring it so I have a good quality little player for my cassettes in the loft.
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Last Edit: Aug 24, 2022 15:54:40 GMT by Jonny69
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Aug 24, 2022 15:33:00 GMT
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Some detail pics. See how the door opens and slides back. That’s a really cool feature. It was missing a few screws and the right hand hinge was a bit vague. I tightened up the remaining screws and it then wouldn’t clip closed. It’s been dropped a number of times and I’m pretty sure the hinge is bent.
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Aug 24, 2022 15:34:06 GMT
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In 2006 I decided to buy a new portable player so I had something legacy I could play tapes in and also carry around. I got another Panasonic which I think was actually the only portable cassette player I could find but everything was compatible with my older players which was a bonus. I never really paid much attention to this one and it’s only had light use. It turns out it’s actually a direct descendant of my original one. It’s stripped right back, however, with none of the cool features. No slide-back door, no fancy anti-roll system, no remote and no clever features like track finding, ffwd or rev multiple tracks etc. Inside, it’s almost identical and almost all the mechanical parts are the same. Bingo, I thought, I’ll use it as a parts mule to build the old (better) one up...
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Aug 24, 2022 15:34:59 GMT
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Some slight technical hitches. I thought, actually, I wonder how much these machines are on eBay for spares or repairs. Turns out, not much for a scruffy one, even shipped from Japan. Then I thought, my one is really bashed on one side; what if I found one which was cheap because it was bashed up on the other side to mine, but good on my scruffy side. I could then take the cosmetic bits I need and the bent hinge and make one good machine. So that’s what I did, and found one in Japan for not too much. It arrived 48 hours later with all the bits I need. It also seems to work apart from a snapped drive belt... But. Have a look at that pic of mine a couple of posts back with the door open, looking straight in at the head. There are a few bits snapped off. Probably the most importantly bit is one of the cassette locating pegs is missing. That’s probably why it rolls something chronic. Additionally the Dolby NR switch on mine is broken on the pcb and is loose. So I think what is more likely is I’ll use mine as the parts mule to make one good machine out of the new Japanese one. It means the little dream I had of resurrecting my own machine with donor parts is now that it becomes the donor, but at the end I still get a restored, working machine and mine still gets to live on albeit in a slightly reduced manner.
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Aug 24, 2022 15:37:35 GMT
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Drive belts and parts that typically fail are readily available. When I bought the 2006 player, these were just obsolete players and Dixon’s were desperately trying to shift the last of them. I was happy to Hoover one up because I wanted a legacy player. Today, there are numerous enthusiast sites who make new belts and parts for cassette players so it’s fairly easy and not even expensive to fix your dead player. The two belts were £6 delivered. Listed on eBay so couldn’t be easier. 1p coin for size reference. I also discovered the plastic clutch discs on Panasonic players disintegrate and sure enough they were cracked through on all 3 of my machines. About another £4.90 and two weeks later, a new one turned in brass landed from Slovenia ?? So that’s where I’d got to when I first posted this. I’d been into all 3 machines to familiarise myself and to compare and contrast. I needed to commit an evening to do it, as it needed a bit of de-soldering to release the top circuit board. The rectangular NiMh battery still charged up and worked, so once fixed I should be good to get the box of tapes out the loft.
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Aug 24, 2022 15:41:36 GMT
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These were the tools I was working with. Trusty 25W Antex iron and stand from around 1996 and a roll of solder liberated from school. Actually quite good miniature screwdrivers and a desolder pump. Also bought some undeniably Chinese quality tweezers. My good ones were stuck at work due to lockdown, but for £2.99 delivered they’d do the job. That meant I could get to the bits underneath this:
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Aug 24, 2022 15:42:47 GMT
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One broken belt. Had turned to sticky black ick: Same with the other one:
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Aug 24, 2022 15:52:59 GMT
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New belts on. One of the problems I had where I was working was a combination of poor light and my eyes aren’t as good as they used to be, so I couldn't really see what I was doing. I actually used this image to zoom in and see if the belt was twisted. It was. I repeated the process and it seemed to be good that time: That meant I could start to put it all back together. Motor magnet cover and clip back on, reassembled, re-soldered the joints and... I'd done something wrong. The belts seemed to be doing their job. The new clutch plate I wasn't sure about. It kept changing direction and there was no sound. I might have wound the mechanism round too far when putting the belts on and maybe slotted a microswitch in the wrong place. That meant I'd have to take the board back off to see. That basically brings us up to date. Family life during lockdown got in the way and I shoved everything in a bag in my drawer and basically forgot about it until today. Randomly, a Sony Walkman stripdown popped up on my Youtube feed and it reminded me I hadn't got this working. Now I'm back in the lab I have the perfect place to work and all my tools, so it's time to dig it out and have another go.
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Aug 24, 2022 16:10:05 GMT
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And right on cue there's now a stripdown video on Youtube for a similar Panasonic model:
Looks nearly identical inside. All I've got to do is remember to bring it into work and I can get cracking.
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Aug 25, 2022 16:37:55 GMT
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Lunchtime antics tldr: Noted a few things from that ^ video. Assessed state of where I had left off. Refamiliarised self with innards of machine. Found sticky pulleys. Felt that the gears were too tight and oiled some stuff. Got oil in too many places... The sticky pulleys. The solder points on the PCB were already unsoldered, so all I had to do was fold it back out the way. First thing I did was tried to turn the mechanism. It was immediately obvious that the drive belts were stuck to the pulleys. Like this: If I tried to turn the motor, the belt was just stuck in place and wouldn't go round. As you can see in some of the previous images, the top of the motor lifts off and you can get the belt back off. The pulleys were all completely gummed up with sticky residue from the old belts. I got as much out as I could with a tiny swap on my tweezers and isopropanol. Additionally, I felt the whole rotating mechanism had a bit too much resistance which might explain why it kept swapping direction. I tried to ease this by applying a bit of light oil to the axles and gear teeth to soften up any old grease that was on there. It seemed to help a little, but then it was clear that some had got onto the pulleys and now the belts were slipping. So apart it all came again (the top of the motor is a proper curse word to get off) and that was kind of the end of lunchtime. I think I'll leave it overnight and carefully degrease the pulley grooves tomorrow or next week. With a bit of luck the oil will do its job where it needs to.
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Aug 25, 2022 18:55:09 GMT
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One of my solder suckers is the twin of yours I've come across sticky belts like before, sometimes it can be a struggle to get the sticky residue off Hopefully yours will clean up easily 🤞
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Black is not a colour ! .... Its the absence of colour
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Aug 30, 2022 11:22:38 GMT
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I had a chance to look at this on Friday before I went home. I mentioned the mechanism felt like it had too much resistance - to check this I popped the silver one open and compared the resistance on the pulleys. They had almost nothing, so that was a good starting point. I narrowed it down to these two, middle and right: I was hoping to be able to lift them off, somehow, to clean underneath where there's probably hardened grease. You can see the black gear has two tiny clips on it. It slides down the shaft and snaps into place. I don't think it'll come off again without breaking the clips. The brass one has the capstan on the other side and seems to have a push fit washer with a tiny circlip underneath it. I can get the washer off, but the circlip is too tiny to get even my small tweezers on. I suspect when it was made, the circlip was pushed down over the capstan shaft until it snapped into the groove. I really needed access to both sides of the mechanism. On the more basic models you can do this by just taking the door off. On this one, because of the sliding door mechanism, the door and hinge restraints are spring-loaded and it all tries to fly apart when the screws are out, plus the sliding mechanism is a nightmare to realign. I'd tried to avoid taking it off. Instead of trying to fight it, I took it all off at the hinges and removed the door and head mechanism completely: That let me twiddle about with the gears from both sides, hence working out that it was those two gears causing the tightness in the drive. I gave them a damn good blast out with isopropanol and they loosened up significantly. Figuring that there was probably still a bit of waxy grease trapped underneath, I then decided to try and wick some light oil underneath the gears, in the hope that the oil would work its way in and keep the grease soft once the last of the isopropanol had evaporated. Many of the videos I've watched about fixing the belts on these have ended with players that run too slowly or have a lot of wow/flutter. I'm willing to bet that it's caused by these two gears running too tight, so hopefully mine won't do this. Because it's all spring-loaded, the hinges fought me for at least 30 minutes and I was about to start shouting and swearing at it. Eventually I managed to get everything to align, though, and got the screws in. That's where I left it on Friday. Annoyingly, it was quite tight again when I checked it this morning, but nowhere near as bad as before. It needs a little bit more work, but I think it's close now. I also found this little fella in a blob of grease in the bottom of the door: It's about 3-4mm long and I don't recognise it, so I'm hoping if I ignore it long enough I won't need it.
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Aug 31, 2022 10:23:58 GMT
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I got this buttoned back together last night but, frustratingly, the belt from the motor still slips. I wonder if it's a bit too long. Only way to find out will be to pull the silver machine apart and compare the belts, assuming the one on the silver machine hasn't stretched.
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Aug 31, 2022 12:10:09 GMT
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techmoan would be proud
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69 Plymouth Fury Convertible 75 Range Rover 2 door 82 Range Rover 4 door 84 Range Rover 4 door 78 Datsun 120Y 2 door 78 Datsun 120Y Coupe 78 Datsun 620 Pickup 81 Datsun Urvan E23 86 Datsun Vanette van 98 Electric Citroen Berlingo 00 Electric Peugeot Partner 02 Electric Citroen Berlingo 76 Honda C50 04 Berlingo Multispace petrol 07 Land Rover 130 15 Nissan E-NV200 15 Fiat Ducato
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Sept 3, 2022 18:02:25 GMT
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Very cool project - hope you manage to get it all sorted out and working properly!
What's the plan with the donor one - perhaps gut it and turn it into an mp3 player?
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Sept 3, 2022 21:34:54 GMT
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couple of my tape players got several car ones, 3 boom boxes, and 3 hifi tape decks
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69 Plymouth Fury Convertible 75 Range Rover 2 door 82 Range Rover 4 door 84 Range Rover 4 door 78 Datsun 120Y 2 door 78 Datsun 120Y Coupe 78 Datsun 620 Pickup 81 Datsun Urvan E23 86 Datsun Vanette van 98 Electric Citroen Berlingo 00 Electric Peugeot Partner 02 Electric Citroen Berlingo 76 Honda C50 04 Berlingo Multispace petrol 07 Land Rover 130 15 Nissan E-NV200 15 Fiat Ducato
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Sept 4, 2022 13:52:14 GMT
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I have a similar size walkman somewhere awaiting the same treatment but I've been putting it off due to tinyness! Hope you sort the issues
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Sept 4, 2022 15:16:32 GMT
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I used to get through cheap walkmans at an alarming rate, then when Dixon's were closing in my town I bought my first Sony one, that thing lasted for years, it might still even be in my folks loft. I should go and dig it out.
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Very cool project - hope you manage to get it all sorted out and working properly! What's the plan with the donor one - perhaps gut it and turn it into an mp3 player? It'll go in the e-waste eventually. The case is really scratched up. Quite a good idea to convert it but I think it's beyond my abilities!
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