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Nov 22, 2021 20:59:20 GMT
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Saw this article earlier. Now Betteridge's law of headlines can almost certainly apply, but the article makes a fair stick at trying to make its point. It is America-centric though, so maybe it could be making the claim that 80/81 was the worst year for American cars: arstechnica.com/cars/2021/11/was-1980-the-worst-automotive-year-ever/I guess the RR thing would be what are the great cars from 1980 ... or maybe what other years can compare for the rest of the world
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Nov 22, 2021 21:24:30 GMT
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Perhaps the worst period for rusty from near new Toyotas here in New Zealand.
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Nov 22, 2021 21:49:33 GMT
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81 was the launch of the mighty Delorean DMC12. I rest my case 😀
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Nov 22, 2021 21:51:21 GMT
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The DMC12 was a good idea badly executed.
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ChasR
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Nov 22, 2021 21:59:32 GMT
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Depends which hat you have on?
Jeremy Clarkson would argue the MGB was at that point. I guess in US form, he was right:
-65BHP from a Smog-spec 1.8 B series -Suspension updates on the later rubber bumper cars were too little too late. -Rumour had it MG were losing a decent amount of cash on each car sold.
For me? I've always thought it was the early 90s. Out went the pizzaz and madness of the 80s, and in came the cost cutting and safe playing of design. For me, I'm thinking
-Escort Mk5 -Vauxhall Cavaliar -VW Golf Mk3
You had those who pursued the old guard which seemed like a better way to do it, but then maybe that's what compromised the companies later on in developing cars later on in the case of some brands. Maybe they cost too much to keep having an old idea going. Cars I'm thinking of are
-Porsche 968 -Jaguar XJ-S -Jaguar XJ40/X300 -Lotus Esprit
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Nov 22, 2021 22:00:24 GMT
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The DMC12 was a good idea badly executed. The DeLorean site actually still has some loose links with cars built in the car industry today .
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Now, don't get me wrong, I'd happily have a late model Allegro in a bright colour on the outside and/or inside, but it also embodies everything that was bad about 80/1. Designs that were progressive and interesting from the 70s getting facelifted to keep up with trends until it ended up with a somewhat confused identity. Citroen were still selling the 2CV, a design that was barely changed since the car first entered production decades earlier. The rest of their range like the CX, and the GSA (formerly the GS), had their chrome replaced with blocky plastic, and of course you still had the Visa that had a face only its mother (and me) could love. On the other hand you had companies like Fiat who had really good cohesive designs like the Panda and the Strada/Ritmo, cars that looked relevant for the era and even stylish in their way. Although both of these would stay in production and be facelifted beyond their design lifespan, especially so for the Panda which became an iconic car much like the 500 before it. I couldn't say 80/1 was a particularly bad year for cars though. Some bad cars were out there, undoubtedly, and some were bad because they were so out of date with hasty cosmetic upgrades. We'd have to wait a few more years for more really interesting and new vehicles to appear, like the Ford Sierra. Mind you, we'd also get the Maestro which was a car of the late 70s, released in the early 80s and looked dated when new, and which managed to remain in some form of production into the 21st century.
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The DMC12 was a good idea badly executed. The DeLorean site actually still has some loose links with cars built in the car industry today . Correct, I have been many times, with my own Delorean & driven around the original test track, which still exists (loads of YouTube vids) What was the main production building is owned by a French company Montupet, manufacturer of cylinder heads for the likes of Ford, Peugeot, Renault etc etc.
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As usual, that’s written by an American that thinks America is the centre of the universe. It’s that attitude that got American car manufacturers into the huge trouble they got into in that period.
Granted, American products at the time were more than a bit sh1t, as the article details quite well. What it fails to mention is what Americans were buying instead and why. The passing mention of VWs and Datsun as small cars that Americans bought because of the fuel crisis is just plain wrong. If you’re that hard up you’re worried about running costs, you’re not in the position to rush out and buy a new car, so the idea that people were buying foreign compacts instead of full-size American models is rather stupid.
Where American manufacturers were really losing ground was with mid-to-large European saloons/wagons. What we would call executive models, like Volvo 2 and 7 series, bmw 5 series, mercedes e class, jaguar saloons, etc. These cars were not small or cheap, but offered things that the American full-size or even midsize sector didn’t- quality, refinement, and a much stronger mix of economy and performance due to smooth straight 6 engines with efi. They had ‘conventional’ FERWD drivetrain packages, but with many technological refinements under the skin. Body and interior styling was muted and unfussy. They ticked so many boxes for conservative middle class America, and the European brands mentioned made huge gains in America during that period, even though the cars in question where generally much more expensive than their American counterparts.
So yeah, a bad time for the US manufacturers, but to think they’re the be-all and end-all of global car manufacturing at the period is incredibly naive.
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Last Edit: Nov 23, 2021 9:52:23 GMT by Dez
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Nov 23, 2021 12:50:41 GMT
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The DeLorean site actually still has some loose links with cars built in the car industry today . Correct, I have been many times, with my own Delorean & driven around the original test track, which still exists (loads of YouTube vids) What was the main production building is owned by a French company Montupet, manufacturer of cylinder heads for the likes of Ford, Peugeot, Renault etc etc. Yup. They’re now owned by Linamar . They might also supply JLR. A small world here
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Nov 23, 2021 13:25:59 GMT
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Mk3 escort. Quite a significant change from the mk2. As was the mk2 Cavalier, both going from rear to front wheel drive.
One car released in 1980 was an absolute game changer The Audi Quattro. Also the Austin Metro was a pretty significant car.
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Last Edit: Nov 23, 2021 13:35:44 GMT by norm75
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Nov 23, 2021 17:05:20 GMT
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Yep the mk3 escort released in 1980 From my own experience the worst car for rust protection in the Ford range ever, I’ve had cortina mk1s and 2s that lasted years before they succumbed to rot The escort 80 rotted out within five years
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Last Edit: Nov 23, 2021 17:06:07 GMT by Mercdan68
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Nov 23, 2021 17:57:02 GMT
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The European Car of the Years: 1980 Lancia Delta: 1981 Ford Escort III: US Best Selling Car of 1980: Oldsmobile Cutlass: I do agree with Dez, I think during the 80's the US was going through the "Malaise Era", and the Europeans & Japanese could offer Ecomony, Reliablity, Refinement etc... link
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Nov 29, 2021 15:05:05 GMT
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There was some cool stuff at Le Mans that year. Clearly some complete rubbish competing like Porsche 924s competing in the lower classes, but the 935s looked like short wheelbase aero monsters: Then the incoming 1980s drawing boards had clearly landed on the sportscar class: Ardex S80: Lola T600: Frings Camaro: Ferrari 512 BB/LM: Pics shamelessly stolen from round the 'net. Full set of entry pics here: www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Le_Mans-1981-06-14.html
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Last Edit: Nov 30, 2021 9:02:03 GMT by thebaron
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1981 saw the launch of the biturbo, which most people would say made the year worse but they're typically people who read online articles about biturbos rather than actually drive them.
Not saying they don't have their foibles, but they're cracking cars even with them!
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It got better the following year when the Sierra landed and broke the mould. I can remember seeing them as a 12 year old and thinking how amazing they were.
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The jelly mould? We only got the wagons here. Ford was in bed with Mazda at the time so we and Oz got the 626 saloon badged as a Ford Telstar.
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I had an 85/86 orion built in Dagenham during the many strikes/walkouts and apparently a few fords of this year suffered more than other years with rust as the bodies were left outside during the strike with only primer on them.
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Some 9000's, a 900, an RX8 & a beetle
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I had an 85/86 orion built in Dagenham during the many strikes/walkouts and apparently a few fords of this year suffered more than other years with rust as the bodies were left outside during the strike with only primer on them. I've read that before. In the 90s I had an '85 Onion that fared really rather well rust wise (relatively for an old Ford) but also an '86 Escort that was a total grot box at less than 10 years old. Like everything, it's pot luck. Do you feel lucky?
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