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Sept 28, 2021 17:57:36 GMT
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Just remember with the key number that the boot may not be the same as the doors and ignition, I recall that they were meant to be different so that you could give one to a valet for parking.
I think boot and glovebox should be the same and doors and ignition should be the same, not sure if that was the same for all markets though but mine (which was originally LHD for presumably US market had two different keys).
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Sept 29, 2021 15:17:24 GMT
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The problem is finding a 4.5 and then trying to find parts for it. Also, if the 2.5 is as bulletproof as legend has it, then why bother with anything bigger. I'd love to turbocharge one of these motors. The 4.6 was not easy to find even 45 years ago, but like the 2.5, it was as tough as old boots with the bonus of far more torque and bhp.
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Sept 29, 2021 16:24:50 GMT
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It's a pity there weren't more of the 4.5s made. 10x more 2.5 built.
Production:
4½ litre: 1959-1968 2,044 cars 864 Daimler limousines 1,180 Majestic Major saloons
2½ litre: 1959-1969 20,268 or more 2648 SP250 sports cars 17,620 2.5 V8 & V8-250 saloon cars
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The problem is finding a 4.5 and then trying to find parts for it. Also, if the 2.5 is as bulletproof as legend has it, then why bother with anything bigger. I'd love to turbocharge one of these motors.I'm planning for this to be a cruiser / sunday driver / wedding car type of thing, but it has occurred to me that it might be a little light on horsepower by the time it's got 4 passengers and a picnic basket in the boot. Looking at discussion on both homersimpson and goldnrust 's threads makes me think that maybe a sniff of boost might be just the thing. I dug up a couple of old photos circa 2001 of my first turbo conversion - mk2 Escort with 2litre pinto and sierra 5 speed, running 7psi and sucking through an SU carb. It was all flailing fists, sideways and axle tramp in the escort, but was also very torquey, drivable and a super simple setup. It could be made to look almost factory in the Daimler! I need to worry about getting it running as-is first, but interesting to kick these ideas around.
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1964 Daimler 2.5 V8 (project)
2015 Disco 4 SDV6
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75swb
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Love it! What states the current engine in? What's the compression ratio on the 2.5 too? Turbo suitable?
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Sorry to hijack the thread a bit, but were they the same basic block? I know very little about these Daimler engines, beyond the fact that they're little jewels.
A turbo on the 2.5 would make a very interesting engine indeed!
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4.5 is bigger all round.
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Proton Jumbuck-deceased :-( 2005 Kia Sorento the parts hauling heap V8 Humber Hawk 1948 Standard12 pickup SOLD 1953 Pop build (wifey's BIVA build).
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The problem is finding a 4.5 and then trying to find parts for it. Also, if the 2.5 is as bulletproof as legend has it, then why bother with anything bigger. I'd love to turbocharge one of these motors. A few folks find the performance disappointing. A Jag nut I know does. He always thought the 3.4 is as “small” as you should go in a Mk2. But it’s horses for courses . If they can be blown via a turbo, obviously That changes things. I’ve fancied a 250/Mk2 of sorts for a while. Looks like a good project. I’ll keep an eye out on the progress . A A parts car always feels bad to desrrou but they are invaluable
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Last Edit: Oct 6, 2021 6:25:17 GMT by ChasR
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Sometimes part of the charm and experience of these classics is their performance (or lack thereof!), one of the drives I enjoyed recently was a mate who kindly let me have a go in his very original '71 HG Holden with 161cui (2.6L) straight six and 3 on the tree - very labour intensive to drive and a knack required but such a good buzz when you make it all come together. Very leisurely performance, but with the huge thin rim steering wheel, dozy brakes, flabby old tyres and slippery vinyl bench seat, it was pretty well matched to the asthmatic old six.
I think I need to get the Daimler going as standard and see how it feels. As I say it's going to be a cruiser and so as long as it's engaging to drive then it'll be perfect.
If it doesn't grab me then I'll look at what it needs - whether that's an engine and/or transmission upgrade (4hp22 or manual).
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1964 Daimler 2.5 V8 (project)
2015 Disco 4 SDV6
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Love it! What states the current engine in? What's the compression ratio on the 2.5 too? Turbo suitable? Great question on the state of the current engine. I've been trying to ignore the mechanicals for the moment as there is so much bodywork to be done and I need to focus on that first, but I can't hurt to have a bit of a look, right? Original engine is matching numbers and the previous owner had removed the heads for a look. Turns over nicely and the bores look good, no lip and no corrosion etc. I'm keen to use this block if I can since it's original. One of the heads is very tidy, but the other (this one) has corroded water jackets. There has also been a foreign object in two of the cylinders which has lightly marked the top of the piston and the chamber, which isn't ideal, so will have to see if it'll tidy up, should be ok. I've also got the engine from the parts car here and so I thought I'd have a quick look at it. The car is very corroded and has sat untouched since Adam was a boy, so I've been pretty pessimistic about the condition of the engine. On pulling the dipstick, the oil is as clean as a whistle, as if it hasn't been run. The transmission oil also looks perfect. I couldn't get a socket on the crank nut, so put a big shifter on it. I didn't expect it to move, and didn't want to bruise the nut, so just gave it a fairly gently nudge and IT MOVES! The generator is seized and so I can't turn it right over, but it feels nice and free and is very encouraging that it's in reasonable shape.
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1964 Daimler 2.5 V8 (project)
2015 Disco 4 SDV6
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the randomly clean piston at TDC, if that marries up to the chamber with "foreign object damage", it looks like detonation
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I'd be tempted to get the spares car engine up and running, before you think of parting it out...
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I'd worry the oil was clean because the bottom of the sump is full of sludge that has settled out.
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I'd worry the oil was clean because the bottom of the sump is full of sludge that has settled out. Very valid point and it had crossed my mind too. The photo is of the dipstick of the parts car... pretty clean. It didn't photograph particularly well and looks cleaner in person. I don't have a photo of the other engine but its got oil in the sump and looks like normal, used engine oil. Neither engine has run for 25+ years, and possibly 30+, and the oil looks quite different in each - and both perfectly normal. I don't know if the dispersants and detergents in engine oil get 'timed out' and drop the soot out of suspension after a while, or if maybe someone changed the oil in the parts car and never had it running again, or what, but it is suspicious that it is so clean.
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1964 Daimler 2.5 V8 (project)
2015 Disco 4 SDV6
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I'd be tempted to get the spares car engine up and running, before you think of parting it out... When I picked the cars up I was joking around with the seller "Couple of gallons of fresh fuel and a jump start and I'll drive it right onto the trailer" but he was having none of it! I did put some jumper leads on it the other day and nothing burst into flames which was a promising start. There was also no sign of life from anything and it didn't react to the key at all, but didn't have time for a proper look so will take another look one day soon. I am very cautious about the risk of damaging it, but if I can get it turning over on the starter and sounding healthy with signs of oil pressure then a dash of fuel down the carbs to see if it fires can't hurt.
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1964 Daimler 2.5 V8 (project)
2015 Disco 4 SDV6
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the randomly clean piston at TDC, if that marries up to the chamber with "foreign object damage", it looks like detonation You could be right and may well be detonation. It wasn't my first thought as I'm used to detonation damage having an overheated, slightly porous, 'sandblasted' look which I don't think this does, but it still could be. Definitely something not quite right! Here are some better photos of it - one is quite ugly and the other not tooo bad. The other 6 are perfect luckily. the engine is stashed away in the corner of the garage, but will get it out onto a stand and whip it's pants off for a proper look. Just in case I can get away with STD size bores, if anyone has an A grade and/or a B grade piston they can spare I would be very grateful to hear from you. (I've turned it over since the last pic, the damaged piston at TDC in my last post is the one at the BDC in these pics)
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1964 Daimler 2.5 V8 (project)
2015 Disco 4 SDV6
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Looks like there's been metallic debris (tips of spark plugs, maybe?) rattling about in there to cause such deep nicks...
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With the parts car engine it would be worth taking out the plugs to lower compression, putting a very small quantity of oil down them and then spining the engine over on the starter until you get oil pressue before trying to start it.
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Oct 17, 2021 13:42:35 GMT
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Oh yeah that's much clearer, spark plug tip or chunk of valve guide
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Oct 17, 2021 14:48:04 GMT
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With the damaged piston I would suggest removing it and checking that the rings haven't been pinched up as this may cause it to rattle.
I dropped the top of a spark plug into a 2.0 Pinto engine when I was young and we started it and it made a mess and pinched the rings which made the engine rattle. We had to change the piston to resolve it.
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