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May 19, 2021 21:23:36 GMT
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Right. Let's talk W124 suspension.. Front first Longer term I plan something more fancy (I'm actually working on it now, still catching the thread up), but for now it'll be shortened springs all round. The issue with that is this is how the car looks with no springs in the front at all: It's actually sat on the dampers, and still not that low. Annoy. The internet told me you could lower a W124 on stock shocks. The internet is wrong. The lovely people at Silver Project let me return the camber topmounts I posted a pic of earlier and swap them for these R129 items, for just the cost of the postage - awesome service. As you can see, these let the shaft sit higher in the car, so the shocks don't bottom out. The internet told me this would be sufficient. 'made' some lowering springs: ..threw some tyres on the Brabus': ..and put it down to see how it looked: Good I think drove like absolute curse word though Over pretty much any bump at all the shocks smashed into the topmounts. So I bought these: Spax told me they are 30mm shorter than standard. They didn't look it, but I hoped the small amount they were, and the fact I could make them stiffer, would make the difference, so I fitted them anyway: That made it about 90% better. Most normal-to-large bumps were fine, but larger ones still led to nasty crashes. So I bought these: MaxSpeedingRods coilovers for an E36. The Internet told me they would fit (it was correct this time). I only actually used the shocks, which are dampening AND length adjustable - so the crashing annoyingness is gone Anyone want to buy some Spax adjustable shocks for a W124 that have done about 6 miles? Rear next (no, that didn't go as planned either).
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Last Edit: May 19, 2021 21:25:32 GMT by HARDCORE
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May 20, 2021 14:35:06 GMT
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Ive heard of people fitting ford ranger shocks at the rear and saab 9000 ones.
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'The reason i have pulled you over is to say how incredible and absolutely awesome that is'
Mercedes W109, Mercedes W140 S280 SWB & S320 LWB, W201 cosworth kitted, clk230 Kompressor, w109 300sel, Lincoln Continental 1964, BMW E30 Tech II tourer, MK1 Golf Clipper, BMW E31 840ci sport, JAGUAR XJ40 3.6, Kangoo van, Volvo 740GLE estate, Maserati Quattroporte GTS
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May 21, 2021 13:23:01 GMT
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Rear suspension! This is also planned to be cut springs (for now) and shortened shocks, but.. All S124s (W124 wagons) have self-levelling suspension at the rear, where hydraulic fluid pressure is provided by the PAS pump, via a height-sensing valve and accumulators (like hydraulic spheres on old Citroens) to pump up the rear shocks if needed (so the ride height stays the same, even if you've got 4 portly passengers or a boot full of bricks). So I need to 'delete' that first. It is sort of possible to trick it into holding the level lower than stock, but certainly not 'low' by our standards, so it's going in the bin The accumulators sit under the boot floor, behind the rear seats, so you can access them to change them if needs be (suuuper infrequently) so removing them meant welding up holes in the boot floor, but has also availed a potentially useful space (more on this later). Here is a bucket of SLS delete: Here is the old PAS pump (note 2x high pressure outputs) - bad pic, sorry Here is the 'new' PAS pump, off of the W210 engine donor I mentioned earlier (for eventual turbo power swaps) For reference, this is what W124 self levelling rear shocks look like (pic stolen off Google) These have a 2-point mounting at the bottom, so the lower arms wont work with 'normal' shock absorbers. Luckily non-SLS W124 bottom arms (from a saloon or coupe) are a straight swap, so that's what I used (you can see them in the rear subframe refurb pics I shared earlier) With the SLS gone, it's a case of shortening the springs to achieve the desired ride height.. ..and fitting 'normal' type shock absorbers. As deanflowers said, some use Ford Ranger or Saab 9000 shocks, and the Internet told me that VW T4 fronts were also a common / bolt-on swap. As they were readily available in adjustable form, I bought these: Gaz told me they were a direct replacement for OEM shocks. Either Gaz are mistaken, or the Internet is wrong. Firstly the bottom shock mount is wider than the spacing of an OE Merc bottom arm: So I had to fix that: Then the OE Merc bottom bolt, & therefore the holes through the bottom arm, are much smaller than those through the bottom shock mount, so I had to fix that.. Found a length of steel tube with the same ID as the bolts, and turned it down so the OD matched the hole in the shocks: The finished 'VW T4 Gaz front shock to S124 rear shock adapter kit': curse word like this makes the 20min job of fitting new rear shocks take all afternoon annoying! THEN, having done all that so that they'll actually fit, they are ridiculously short so either Gaz saying they're the same as OE (for a T4) or the Internet saying OE T4 shocks work on the rear of a S124 (especially given all of the above) was entirely mistaken. Annoying! This is the car with it's weight on the suspension: That's not going to work. I can't send them back at this point (given I turned parts of them down on the lathe, and didn't have the original packaging anyway) so I measured how much longer they'd need to be to sit at the middle of their travel at ride height, and bought these: I seem to have given up taking photos at this point, but it all bolted together pretty straightforwardly from this point, and got me to here: This is full droop, lol! Looks ok I think Next, finishing bodywork, putting it back together, getting it MoT'd, & paint! (probably not all in the on update)
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Last Edit: May 21, 2021 13:29:26 GMT by HARDCORE
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bstardchild
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May 21, 2021 14:18:47 GMT
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The internet has been about for what 30 plus years - and yet it still gets things wrong so often
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The Doctor
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May 21, 2021 16:10:30 GMT
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Your car on full droop is lower then most lowered cars. That's just great!
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May 24, 2021 21:10:31 GMT
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Ok. Time to put it back together. Back bumper on, and touched in a few bits of paint where welding has been done previously (nothing visible, just behind the skirts & in the shuts) Front end: Oooh look, a Lincoln! Headlights: (I think I'd been running it up here, hence the smog in the background) Bumper & little trims under the lights: All different shades of silver cos bought separately from different breakers Grille: Needed a few tweaks to get the bonnet shut lines straight & the front edge lining up correctly with the headlights. The whole slam panel etc has been cut out, and a mixture of a the straightened original one and parts off another car welded in, so it's no great surprise things took some aligning. Exhaust! The backbox on these is ENORMOUS, and goes right across the width of the back of the car. I'm going to need the space under there (because reasons ) so I chopped it off and replaced it with a bit of pipe. Not like this: Like this: Colonelk getting the slash cut just right: Test bimble outside: Car is FILTHY, and the rear top arms hit the chassis when coming back up after a bump, and the front tyres hit the arches. Great success! Anyway, we crack on.. I hate the non-matching, one rectangle one square mirrors on these cars, so I bought a passenger side mirror from a LHD car (Latvia I think it was). Unfortunately the loom plugs were different so we had to do it wire by wire whilst moving the adjuster to see which way the mirror moved. There's quite a lot of combinations and mantaphil & I laughed like children while we did it Mirror after pic reveals what came next: Rolled all 4 arches - the tyres were catching as mentioned above, and the arch lips on these actually lean inwards (see pic above), so I flattened the return, and pulled the lip as close to vertical as they would come Had to 'lower' (cut & shorten) the arch roller before I could do the rears Obviously this knackered the paint, but there was some rust blebs just starting on a couple of the arches (you can see it in the pic above), and given that the front end is 5 0 shades of grey this is the least of the cars worries. I changed the cut rear springs for some slightly stiffer & mildly less cut springs (from the back of the W210 donor car), refitted the side skirts, and gave it a quick bath - which got it looking like this: Then took it for an MoT! First one since June 2018, and a couple of months over 2 years since I bought the car. It passed failed on a front ARB end link ONLY, then passed a re-test the following week. A pretty pleasing result considering it had been crashed, had a TON of rot, and the entire suspension removed
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Last Edit: May 25, 2021 10:55:34 GMT by HARDCORE
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May 24, 2021 21:34:21 GMT
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CONGRATULATIONS !!
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May 24, 2021 22:22:36 GMT
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Last Edit: May 24, 2021 22:25:20 GMT by HARDCORE
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Rich
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[thigh rubbing intensifies] Looking splendid chap. Can’t wait to see it in the flesh. What a difference. I remember seeing the car around the time it arrived with you and knowing you’d do well with it but yea. Cracking transformation. And I think I spelled all the words right this time.
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Well done! looks great ! ...
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stealthstylz
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May 25, 2021 12:00:25 GMT
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This is excellent. I think I'd be tempted to darken the lights a bit to match the wheels, looks cock on though.
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May 25, 2021 12:11:32 GMT
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Yeah the merc looks nice but tell me about the A2! Polo coilovers I guess or air?
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May 25, 2021 12:35:14 GMT
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Yeah the merc looks nice but tell me about the A2! Polo coilovers I guess or air? Wait til the weekend
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May 25, 2021 14:35:54 GMT
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[thigh rubbing intensifies] Looking splendid chap. Can’t wait to see it in the flesh. What a difference. I remember seeing the car around the time it arrived with you and knowing you’d do well with it but yea. Cracking transformation. And I think I spelled all the words right this time. Thanks man, it has been quite the slog. Obviously both the crash damage & general condition were waaaaay worse than I'd expected, but that's my own fault for not looking (and tbh I probably would still have bought it) - pretty much done with all that now anyways. Like I said, can start the fun stuff now Well done! looks great ! ... Thanks, appreciate it! This is excellent. I think I'd be tempted to darken the lights a bit to match the wheels, looks cock on though. Cheers dude That's an interesting thought, and I pretty much always tint my headlights.. I've got some different rear lights for this already, cos I don't really like the standard ones, and they're knackered anyway. Re. matching the wheels, it needs to look its best on these really:
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Last Edit: May 25, 2021 14:37:11 GMT by HARDCORE
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stealthstylz
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May 25, 2021 17:35:37 GMT
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It could have bright pink fly eye covered lights on those wheels and still look good.
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May 25, 2021 19:36:13 GMT
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I got a set of tinted aftermarket rear lights you can have if your want them let me know and i will bring them on the weekend. I went full red tinted on my old one (used red tint spray)
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'The reason i have pulled you over is to say how incredible and absolutely awesome that is'
Mercedes W109, Mercedes W140 S280 SWB & S320 LWB, W201 cosworth kitted, clk230 Kompressor, w109 300sel, Lincoln Continental 1964, BMW E30 Tech II tourer, MK1 Golf Clipper, BMW E31 840ci sport, JAGUAR XJ40 3.6, Kangoo van, Volvo 740GLE estate, Maserati Quattroporte GTS
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May 26, 2021 10:52:14 GMT
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I got a set of tinted aftermarket rear lights you can have if your want them let me know and i will bring them on the weekend. I went full red tinted on my old one (used red tint spray) I bought a pair just like that the other day! Doh! Thank you though dude, looking forward to catching up
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May 26, 2021 12:12:30 GMT
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Really like this, most excellent work. One small opinion from me, think that the wheels would 'pop' a little more if the lip was polished - might just be the pictures but having seen Deans car, IMHO, that would make a huge difference. Or just fit the Split Monoblocks or what ever they are as per picture above. P.
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May 26, 2021 13:03:13 GMT
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Back to the E31... Another job I need to do at some point is sort the saggy headlining.. ..and the faded parcel shelf: Seeing as it was in bits getting painted, and both screens are out... Brad at Hide & Seam has done a spectacular job of retrimming the headlining & parcel shelf in dark grey Alcantara (+ the pillars, they'd look silly if I left them in the OEM fabric) - and they're going back in the car today! Very happy with that Colin has actually finished the paint now, and has the car pretty much entirely reassembled, but I've held off sharing photos because I'm taking it to the Weekender, and I've not even seen it myself yet! Am picking it up tomorrow, all being well - it's been fighting us a bit; the key randomly bricked itself so wouldn't start the car (will unlock it etc.) so I had to relay a spare key down to Kustom Kolors (Brighton-to-Bournemouth) via VIP in Southampton (thanks again dude) yesterday evening. Stupid cars It was showing 'Key not recognised' on the fault code, and apparently they can 'forget' their coding without warning. Lucky I had a spare (though I now do not!), and the car wasn't * that* far away.. Add to that the frustrations of dealing with 2 different glass suppliers / fitters - the front and rear are coming separately, because the glass cover on my insurance will only let claim for one piece, so I'm having to pay for the front (lucky that's 'only' £444, unlike the rear ) - so it's been a bit of a headache. All will be forgotten when I see it Teaser pics? Ahhh g'wan then
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May 26, 2021 15:26:33 GMT
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Really like this, most excellent work. One small opinion from me, think that the wheels would 'pop' a little more if the lip was polished - might just be the pictures but having seen Deans car, IMHO, that would make a huge difference. Or just fit the Split Monoblocks or what ever they are as per picture above. P. I agree and having the lip polished does make them look bigger. I think the factory finish on the single piece ones was with diamond cut lip
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'The reason i have pulled you over is to say how incredible and absolutely awesome that is'
Mercedes W109, Mercedes W140 S280 SWB & S320 LWB, W201 cosworth kitted, clk230 Kompressor, w109 300sel, Lincoln Continental 1964, BMW E30 Tech II tourer, MK1 Golf Clipper, BMW E31 840ci sport, JAGUAR XJ40 3.6, Kangoo van, Volvo 740GLE estate, Maserati Quattroporte GTS
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