logicaluk
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Sept 21, 2020 20:06:37 GMT
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Oops! I've been so busy I forgot to give you all an update. This week I have been mostly cleaning a V8 engine, the pistons cooked in the bath for 30mins a pair, then the arduous task of scraping the ring grooves out took about an hour each. I took the block and heads down to a mate who has a steam cleaner, which decided to throw all its toys out the pram and not make full pressure, it got the worst of it off though. Then I finished the block off at home with Aldi's kitchen cleaner and some stainless scouring pads, when I went to wash it off with my pressure washer it worked for about 3 mins then lost pressure and stopped working at all.  20200919_153119 by logicaluk, on Flickr Hopefully I have drilled the hole in the right place DarkSpeed, I've got a feeling I haven't!  20200919_153124 by logicaluk, on Flickr  20200919_153132 by logicaluk, on Flickr I media blasted the sump for the engine and the gearbox and gave them both a coat of black cold galvanizing spray.  20200919_124117 by logicaluk, on Flickr Missing Pic  20200919_124054 by logicaluk, on Flickr Who would have thought the Borg Warner sump was JAPANFSE. Then I buggered off on holiday and looked at this  20200913_122353 by logicaluk, on Flickr and also the Bentley that went with it, Missing Pic (I think it looks stunning In That colour) at the Lakeland Motor Museum, whilst the rest of the family went off for a "Nice" 18-mile walk. Was too tired after work all week to do anything in the garage. Then my lads car boiled over and wouldn't hold water on a camping trip in the north Yorkshire moors, the stupid breakdown cover would only take him 10 miles to a garage and not home so, I had to go up there pick him up on Sunday. Being totally sick of the car I took the wheels and the battery and had it crushed, now it will never bother me again. Sunday evening I watched my 77-year-old Dad get married for the fourth time, (he got married for the fourth time not me watching him get married for the fourth time) on YouTube as he lives in Florida (which was beset with technical gremlins) I had Monday off work as I thought it may have been a late celebration Zoom party, It wasn't, so I got the crank and 7 of the 8 pistons in, even managing to get the conrods facing the right way almost first time.... A piston ring broke, I did nothing different from the other 15, it fell in two with almost no force, I'll phone the seller on my break tomorrow and see if they want to be nice and replace it FOC. Oh! And my trusty Kielder impact made odd noises and wouldn't do its thing so that's off back under guarantee. That's on top of the car, a pressure washer, a dishwasher, a washing machine and the management's hairdryer, all in less than a month WTF. And now we have missing pics because flicker doesn't want to play nice. F#@!£&_):\;-!"")-!:(_; "$!#$£!@£$!)£#!@:⁽ I guess it's not my month. Thanks to DarkSpeed and Kevins something has gone right this month, a spacer for the gearbox and the push rod were both greatly appreciated. Thanks guys. Dan Dan |
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ivangt6
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Sept 21, 2020 21:12:12 GMT
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I think that might be a flapper efi engine, not hotwire.
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logicaluk
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Sept 22, 2020 3:57:57 GMT
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I think that might be a flapper efi engine, not hotwire. How do I tell the Difference? |
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ivangt6
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Sept 22, 2020 12:29:10 GMT
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There's a few differences. Flapper has a rubber hose fuel rail whereas hotwire is metal right up to the injectors, also there's a aux airflow regulator in front of the plenum and a overrun fuel shutoff valve. I think there might be a 9th injector too.
A big giveaway is if you have a air flow meter as the hotwire and flapper look quite different.
Looks to me like you have flapper anyway. No need for any lambda sensors as it's open loop efi
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Last Edit: Sept 22, 2020 12:30:28 GMT by ivangt6
1979 Mini 1000
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Sept 22, 2020 15:53:30 GMT
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If it is a flapper system I wouldn't bother with it, my range rover is a flapper, parts are difficult if not impossible to get hold of, the ecu's fail, what parts you can get cost a fortune and are 30 plus years old and worn out.
on top of that my TR7V8 runs better and smells cleaner on a pair of SU's. (I suspect the injectors are past their best but 8 remanufactured ones at £130 each are a bit steep.
I am resigned to eventually having to swap to a later manifold / injectors and aftermarket injection.
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logicaluk
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Sept 22, 2020 18:54:19 GMT
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There's a few differences. Flapper has a rubber hose fuel rail whereas hot wire is metal right up to the injectors, also there's an aux airflow regulator in front of the plenum and a overrun fuel shutoff valve. I think there might be a 9th injector too. A big giveaway is if you have a air flow meter as the hotwire and flapper look quite different. Looks to me like you have flapper anyway. No need for any lambda sensors as it's open loop efi Thanks, Ivan it's a hot wire as it has metal fuel rails. There are two holes to be drilled and yes that looks like you drilled it away from rather than toward the timing chain - The idea is to get oil draining from the lifter gallery to flow onto the timing chain drive right where the chain is closest so that the chain passing the hole at speed sucks the oil from the hole onto the chain - More oil for the chain but also onto the top of timing chain cover and dizzy drive area. That's a clever mod, ill have to wait till the cam is in and I can use the timing chain to line it up properly, I did attempt to get the hole to direct oil to the dizzy gear. Any news in the rocker shafts? Phoned the piston ring supplier, they said "sorry, a replacement will be in the post today". A small but resounding result. |
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logicaluk
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Sept 28, 2020 14:25:53 GMT
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Thanks that's great Darkspeed.
From what I've read it's not sensible to run rockers from badly worn shafts on new shafts as the steel from the shaft is embedded in the rocker bushing causing accelerated wear.
At least one of my shafts are badly worn, I would think the complete shafts would be the best option if you're happy to part with them.
I'll PM you.
There won't be any updates for a few days as I've put my back out again. This is getting bloody annoying.
Dan
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Last Edit: Sept 28, 2020 14:29:12 GMT by logicaluk
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Thanks, Mr Darkspeed, my back is starting to sort its self out and I needed something to keep me up and on my feet for a few hours. The DPD guy dropped off these  20201002_151837 by logicaluk, on Flickr Which kept me and the sonic tank busy for a few hours making them look like this.  20201002_182324 by logicaluk, on Flickr Also while I was looking for something to do, I spotted a thing that's been bugging the hell out of me, the orrible orange oil filler cap, its just fugly.  20201002_122042 by logicaluk, on Flickr with the judicious application of a blow torch and a knife one can peel away the orrible orange plastic cover and discover this inside,  20201002_123036 by logicaluk, on Flickr A bit like a kinder surprise except the thing inside is actually useful, but without the chocolate. After a half hour or so with files and emery paper while it might not be perfect polished ally it looks a damn sight better than the horrible orange plastic.  20201002_123331 by logicaluk, on Flickr Dan |
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Last Edit: Oct 2, 2020 21:33:11 GMT by logicaluk
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That looks a lot better without that crappy orange plastic covering it!!
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logicaluk
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Unfortunately I have remembered just how much I hate lapping valves, I knew didnt like it because it was the main reson I payed for 3 angle valve seats on the acclaim. Now ive got twice as many.......
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Well even with a intervertebral disc hating me lots I've managed to get a bit more done, despite the utter tedium if the job I got a bank of valves lapped in.  20201003_115833 by logicaluk, on Flickr I drilled the other Darkspeed drainage hole hopefully in the right place this time, it's much easier with a cam chain to aim at.  20201004_154908 by logicaluk, on Flickr  20201004_154859 by logicaluk, on Flickr  20201006_192311 by logicaluk, on Flickr Then swapped out the old cam for the new one, got the timing set up, only to find the Cam bold won't fit the hole is supposed to go in has gone from M10 to 7/16ths UNC, and the only bolt I have that fits is 3 inches long. I've just stocks up on some UNF&UNC bolts,  20201006_194704 by logicaluk, on Flickr I also got the front cover built up, First flat off the oil pump base, then build the oil pump and fill it with Vaseline, bolt it up top the front cover and realize there's a bolthole I'd missed and the bolt won't go in straight as there's a lump of oil pump in the way, undo the oil pump fit the bolt in its hole and put it all back together, fit water pump, offer from cover up only to find out there's a bolt In the cover plate that won't go in its hole with the oil pump attached, so off it came again... then I looked at the 4 long bolts that hold the water pump inlets to the block and there all badly pitted, so I'm off to another bolt shop Friday after work to get some.  20201006_194707 by logicaluk, on Flickr |
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Last Edit: Oct 7, 2020 19:10:51 GMT by logicaluk
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logicaluk
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That will do it. I do forget how comically restricted the ports on an RV8 are until I see a stock set of throats. Are they late heads with the Vitesse waisted stem inlet valves? Yes the inlets are waisted they are hot wire injection heads. I did look at the heads and thought about tidying them as I really enjoyed doing the acclaim head. But I though better of it, twice as many opportunities to cock up and I'm not looking for power, yet. Dan |
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Oct 13, 2020 19:42:42 GMT
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DarkSpeed, do the waisted vales make much of a difference? Since my back decided to stop grumbling and start shouting again, the state of my mental health has been very much at the front of my mind, the last time it happened I was in a very dark place thanks in part to the cocktail of drugs I was on but also having the probability of not being able to enjoy my hobby any more. So getting out to the workshop for an hour or so every day, has given me both something to look forward to and a great sense of achievement, keeping (as sir Winston Churchill would say)the black dog at bay. But by the time I've come in eaten, showered and got everything sorted for tomorrow I'm fit to drop and before I know it the alarms going off and it's time to get up for work again. Yesterday I built up the heads and today I fitted them.  20201012_195828 by logicaluk, on Flickr To I achieved a complete engine.  20201013_183210 by logicaluk, on Flickr With one minor issue, a while ago I picked up 4 Britpart oil filters which were for the v8 but the thread on the filter is too big, luckily I had a spare one from the civic which screws on but it's not a Good fit. Whilst sitting and having a brew I thought about where to put the alternator, I can't mount it in its original place as the countersunk bolt had to have its head drilled off as it was seized and when I had a mate weld a nut on it(I am currently sans welding plant) it sheard off flush with the block, despite being heated to bright orange with the TIG set turned up. I want the alternator mounted here, is there a factory bracket or will I have to fabricobble something up?  20201011_155915 by logicaluk, on Flickr Thanks for reading my drivle Dan |
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Last Edit: Oct 17, 2020 15:30:32 GMT by logicaluk
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Oct 13, 2020 20:41:57 GMT
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On my P5B the PAS pump is fitted there. Also on the SD1 i believe. It should be possible to modify that bracket to accept the alternator or make a bracket yourself
Peter
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Thanks peter ill have a look but, due to the pulley positions I've got to use the outer groove so it probably won't work but thanks.
Cheers DS that looks exactly like what i was thinking except made with 30mm box due to the excessive stick out required to get to the outer pulley groove.
I think I might have an odd ball ford filter instock.
Dan
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Last Edit: Oct 14, 2020 8:56:38 GMT by logicaluk
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Oct 17, 2020 13:20:25 GMT
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One thing my workshop is missing is the capability to stick bits of metal together, I used to have the long term loan of an old Clarke set but that had to go back home. After a not inconsiderable amount of research the best MIG set for the money has to be the 180A RTec. At the best part of £500 inc www.r-techwelding.co.uk/mig-welder-r-tech-i-mig180/In steps the new contender, 200A Blackline from Rally Designs. Cheap looking torch and lead, only takes 5kg rolls of wire. But at £230 + a regulator, its very tempting. www.rallydesign.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=22932Ahhhhh choices.... any opinions or suggestions? Dan |
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Last Edit: Oct 17, 2020 13:21:22 GMT by logicaluk
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Oct 17, 2020 16:00:01 GMT
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I just had a rush of blood to the head and bought a Kemppi Minarcmig Evo200. I can honestly say I’ve never used a better welder.
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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Oct 17, 2020 16:14:03 GMT
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I just had a rush of blood to the head and bought a Kemppi Minarcmig Evo200. I can honestly say I’ve never used a better welder. That’s a serious rush... Kempii are really good. |
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Oct 17, 2020 16:39:01 GMT
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Yes the odd ball filter fits. Today was planned as a clean-up the workshop day, which I got mostly done in time for a social distanced visit from mrbadger and Mrs badger, who made me a lovely gluten free cheesecake, so we had tea and cake in the workshop. mrbadger is going to start a thread about his engine analyser he's bought and is currently rebuilding, aren't you mrbadger...... Now being the proud owner of a moderately clean workbench, I selected a piece of gearbox to clean and rebuild. But First a problem, a BW35 box takes type-f ATF, dextron type fluid is like poison to it and I guess is what happened to destroy the original friction plates. Type-f is proving prohibitively expensive to purchase, £16 a litre type expensive, I have been doing a fair amount of research and found an alternative, John Deere Hy Gard tractor transmission fluid, which is backwards compatible with type-f and at £17 for 5l much more acceptable to my naturalized Yorkshire pocket. Apparently also popular with drag racers in auto boxes.  20201017_170818 by logicaluk, on Flickr The front clutch pack The box of NOS spares I bought has two different clutch packs kits, labelled GAB 505 & 507. After several mins of checking the manuals and kits I figure out 505 is the front and 507 the rear, the difference appeared to be seals and circlip (I'll double-check this bit tomorrow) what was rather worrying was the manual and the old clutch pack had 5 friction plates whereas all the kits I looked in had 4. There was only one way to see if it would all fit and that was to build it up. So First job is to soak the friction plates in not ATF  20201017_150758 by logicaluk, on Flickr Then get all the bits together, re clean with brake cleaner and lay out artistically.  20201017_153705 by logicaluk, on Flickr Then get the piston in to its bore, which was a complete bore as it's a square cut seal, lube every surface up with Hy Gard then mess about for at least half an hour trying different ideas until working out the trick is to press down on the piston with a large ball-peen hammer and carefully go around the seal pressing its front edge in to the bore, then when all the way round (using the one way valve as a marker) use a block of wood and smack it home with the said fore mentioned large ball-peen hammer.  20201017_155220 by logicaluk, on Flickr The rest went together rather easily in about 10mins, which was lucky as the CEO just got home from a 70-mile bike ride.  20201017_155724 by logicaluk, on Flickr And it all fitted, yes. As I can't find this anywhere else here's the part numbers. Borg Warner front clutch pack kit GAB 505 18G8622 35EA-505-3 Dan |
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Last Edit: Oct 17, 2020 17:29:42 GMT by logicaluk
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