Dez
Club Retro Rides Member
And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
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Club RR Member Number: 34
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Feb 21, 2020 19:18:17 GMT
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A few panels I really needed did get damaged in the fire. The front inner wings were one, they were all warped and dented and bashed. I reckoned they might be salvageable, and they didn’t have to be super mint as you can’t really see them, as long as they were solid. So I got em sandblasted and epoxyed them, then set about bashing them about to get them back to shape. It’s easier to partially bolt them on to do this. Those top edges should be straight! Using other bits to pull them in line, I eventually got them reasonable. They now bolt on as they should, the bottom edge follows the chassis as it should, and when they’re bolted to the outer wing, the wobble at the top goes as well. I’ve got a few dents I’ll dress out when I take em off again and that’ll be about it. This bit proably won’t save though. And it’s rather important as it holds the bonnet latch! I’ll either have to source another or partially remake it. I won’t need any of the other front end panels like the valance or inner grille panels though. So carrying on in the same area, I welded up all the unwanted holes in the firewall, of which there were many, and ground em back. These were the other rear lights I sourced. They’re off a ‘51 dodge wayfarer, and a pretty desirable for traditional kustoms. Mounted flush I think they’ll be perfect when the wings are extended out to the bumper.
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Last Edit: Feb 21, 2020 19:32:08 GMT by Dez
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stealthstylz
Club Retro Rides Member
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Club RR Member Number: 174
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1948 Chevy full kustom project. stealthstylz
@stealthstylz
Club Retro Rides Member 174
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Feb 21, 2020 23:17:15 GMT
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That back end just needs a chrome continental kit with a airbrushed vision of a topless Viking lady on a horse, carrying a Dixie flag whilst a sky wolf howls at the moon in the background and it'll be a proper "trad" kustom.
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Dez
Club Retro Rides Member
And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
Posts: 11,790
Club RR Member Number: 34
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Feb 22, 2020 12:31:40 GMT
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That back end just needs a chrome continental kit with a airbrushed vision of a topless Viking lady on a horse, carrying a Dixie flag whilst a sky wolf howls at the moon in the background and it'll be a proper "trad" kustom. See ive already done the wolves and horses thing, so I reckon on this one I’m gunna go for Elvis, Johnny cash and other rock and roll ‘legends’. Obviously with some random lyrics, typically ‘one for the money, two for the show’ and done by an artist who’s more akin to working on banger cars and funfair HGVs, and is just bad enough that you can’t actually tell who any of them are except Elvis cos he’s in his full las Vegas period regalia.
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Feb 22, 2020 12:39:44 GMT
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I always like it when people have an airbrushed mural of their car on their car. And portraits of their grandchildren smiling, often with black teeth for some reason.
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stealthstylz
Club Retro Rides Member
Posts: 14,961
Club RR Member Number: 174
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1948 Chevy full kustom project. stealthstylz
@stealthstylz
Club Retro Rides Member 174
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Feb 22, 2020 13:18:37 GMT
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That back end just needs a chrome continental kit with a airbrushed vision of a topless Viking lady on a horse, carrying a Dixie flag whilst a sky wolf howls at the moon in the background and it'll be a proper "trad" kustom. See ive already done the wolves and horses thing, so I reckon on this one I’m gunna go for Elvis, Johnny cash and other rock and roll ‘legends’. Obviously with some random lyrics, typically ‘one for the money, two for the show’ and done by an artist who’s more akin to working on banger cars and funfair HGVs, and is just bad enough that you can’t actually tell who any of them are except Elvis cos he’s in his full las Vegas period regalia. One Piece at a Time would actually be quite fitting. Maybe with a picture of Hank Williams just to confuse people.
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Feb 22, 2020 13:28:42 GMT
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Portrait of Liberace, with "Jerry Lee Lewis" lettered underneath it.
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v8ian
Posted a lot
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Feb 22, 2020 18:52:12 GMT
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Green on Green Flake, crazy abstract roof, gold pin striping.
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Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style. Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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Dez
Club Retro Rides Member
And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
Posts: 11,790
Club RR Member Number: 34
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Feb 22, 2020 20:48:04 GMT
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I always like it when people have an airbrushed mural of their car on their car. And portraits of their grandchildren smiling, often with black teeth for some reason. Eating coal. It’s a northern thing...
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Dez
Club Retro Rides Member
And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
Posts: 11,790
Club RR Member Number: 34
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Feb 22, 2020 20:48:39 GMT
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See ive already done the wolves and horses thing, so I reckon on this one I’m gunna go for Elvis, Johnny cash and other rock and roll ‘legends’. Obviously with some random lyrics, typically ‘one for the money, two for the show’ and done by an artist who’s more akin to working on banger cars and funfair HGVs, and is just bad enough that you can’t actually tell who any of them are except Elvis cos he’s in his full las Vegas period regalia. One Piece at a Time would actually be quite fitting. Maybe with a picture of Hank Williams just to confuse people. Or a pic of Arthur brown but literally no one would get that.
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Dez
Club Retro Rides Member
And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
Posts: 11,790
Club RR Member Number: 34
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Feb 22, 2020 20:49:04 GMT
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Green on Green Flake, crazy abstract roof, gold pin striping. Not far off, but not green I don’t think.
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stealthstylz
Club Retro Rides Member
Posts: 14,961
Club RR Member Number: 174
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1948 Chevy full kustom project. stealthstylz
@stealthstylz
Club Retro Rides Member 174
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Feb 22, 2020 20:59:02 GMT
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Or a pic of Arthur brown but literally no one would get that. The horns on the helmet would make a pretty cool/obscure reference bonnet emblem or similar.
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Dez
Club Retro Rides Member
And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
Posts: 11,790
Club RR Member Number: 34
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Feb 23, 2020 13:17:32 GMT
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So here what stealthstylz did for me. I gave him the 235ci block, with instructions to tank it clean, bore it til the bores would go again, sleeve the pitted one if necessary, and some vague instructions to try to zero-deck it and a rod and piston to facilitate with the measuring. As much as I take the curse word for him being a p1key gnome, he’s rather bloody good at this stuff. How spanking is this? The little haircut even removed 99% of the waterway corrosion. There’s still stuff to do, like drilling for a full flow filter (although they have full pressure oiling, filtration was still done with a bypass filter that was an accessory option) and rodding our the oil galleries, but that’s stuff I can do. Obviously there’s things there I need to explain, like 1.- what is zero decking? Well, it’s making the top of the block level with the top of the piston at TDC. So all your compression happens within the head chamber. The reason that older engines didn’t have pistons that came all the way to the top of the block is basically poor fuel. Back in the 50s fuel had poorer octane ratings, and was very variable in quality, especially in the states. To prevent detonation, compression rations were low, somewhere about 6.5 or 7:1. With modern fuel with guaranteed octane ratings, that is basically wasted power. Now, on most engines to get that ‘free’ power, you’d just skim the head. The issue here is stovebolt heads have very odd combustion chambers and valve geometry. If you skim the head at all you’re shrouding the inlet valve, and have to do a lot of port work to move the valve up into the head, which messes with the all the geometry to the rocker shaft. So the general consensus these days is to not skim the head but do the block instead. Zero decked they work out at about 9-9.25:1, which is just about perfect. Next thing is the difference between full flow filtration and bypass filtration. In a full flow setup ALL the oil passes through the filter all the time. In a bypass setup only SOME of the oil goes through SOME of the time- and if the filter becomes blocked, none of it does. This is obviously not a great idea, but it’s from a time before disposable canister oil filters with internal pressure valves even existed, so it was their way of not blowing up oil filters. These days there’s little reason to not convert to full flow filtration if you’ve got the engine in bits anyway. To convert a bypass engine to full flow, you have to drill into the oil galleries to let the oil out to the filter, block one of the galleries in the block so all the oil goes out to the filter, and put a return into the block further downstream, but before any important bits need that oil. On a stovebolt, that involves modifying the area where the oil pressure switch is on the side of the block. First, you remove the oil pressure sender, and drill the boss for it out to be tapped for a larger fitting. You can see the edges of the oil gallery drilling inside the block. Then you tap it for the fitting. 3/8”npt is the generally accepted best size, in terms of maximum flow without weakening the block. IIRC this is actually the return, not the feed. The best place for the feed is at the side of this little boss here, which is for the bypass type setup. You don’t use the boss itself though as if you do you can’t block the gallery in the right place. You can see again where the drill has broken through into the oil gallery behind. This gallery is the main feed off the oil pump which is mounted below, and you drill and tap the end of it internally above where I’ve drilled this hole with a 1/8”npt plug, to stop the oil going that way. The hole is deliberately drilled at a slight angle. It’s then tapped for the fitting, and you also have to grind away a bit do the web to allow you to get onto the fitting to do it up. But, that’s about it really for the block modifications. I’ve got to knock the plugs out of the end of the galleries and rod them out to remove any swarf, then mount an external oil filter head to that unused 3 point engine mount, with some short lines to the fittings on the block. The location of that is determined by the exhausts though, so I’ve got to mock that up before making bracketry and lines. But on the whole it’s not a difficult modification when the engine is at this stage, once you’ve summonsed up the balls to take a big drill to your freshly machined block!
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Last Edit: Feb 23, 2020 13:22:59 GMT by Dez
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Dez
Club Retro Rides Member
And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
Posts: 11,790
Club RR Member Number: 34
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Feb 23, 2020 14:44:36 GMT
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Should be a stout motor when it's done considering it's origins. I reckon so. This is referring to a stock 1954 235ci engine- So with nearly two full points of compression more and a extra carb and exhaust, I’m hoping for about 175ish hp. But more like 250ft/lbs, and at a comically low rpm, so it should be capable of Surprising a few people. I’ve geared it around this, with the floor mount 4spd and a very tall rear axle (3.4:1), so it should be a pretty nice drive.
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Feb 23, 2020 16:46:53 GMT
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That is some knarly combustion chamber! But you're right, quench is important. It gives movement to the mixture in the chamber which gives a more even burn. This results in better torque at low rpm and better fuel efficiency. I like to achieve 0.060" or less.
Very nice build, the lines are flowing nicely.
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Proton Jumbuck-deceased :-( 2005 Kia Sorento the parts hauling heap V8 Humber Hawk 1948 Standard12 pickup SOLD 1953 Pop build (wifey's BIVA build).
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Dez
Club Retro Rides Member
And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
Posts: 11,790
Club RR Member Number: 34
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Feb 23, 2020 17:03:53 GMT
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That is some knarly combustion chamber! But you're right, quench is important. It gives movement to the mixture in the chamber which gives a more even burn. This results in better torque at low rpm and better fuel efficiency. I like to achieve 0.060" or less. Very nice build, the lines are flowing nicely. They are very, very odd combustion chambers, but these were first designed in the ‘20s! It’s partially because the exhaust valves don’t sit square to the inlet valves, they’re at about a 15deg angle. Internet pic- One thing that I forgot to elaborate on is one of the reasons you don’t cut the valves deeper is the inlet tracts take a fairly sharp turn straight above the valve, and if you sink the valves at all it totally ruins the flow into the head. This has been flow bench proven, with quite dramatic effects. Another reason I shan’t be messing with the head at all, just a cleanup and relap.
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Nice project and great skills!
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Feb 24, 2020 19:03:27 GMT
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Enjoying all this immensely
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Dez
Club Retro Rides Member
And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
Posts: 11,790
Club RR Member Number: 34
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Feb 26, 2020 21:09:36 GMT
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Next, roof. And rear end, ish. As it stood I had a solidly mounted bootlid, a solidly mounted rear window, and not a lot in between. The window had been welded into the roof infill at the top, and welded to the parcel shelf at the bottom. All I had of the outer bodywork was a residual ‘ribbon’ of bodywork about an inch deep with the swage on. What I needed to do was locate that correctly, so the rear panel sat at the right height in relation the bootlid, and then so it flowed into the roof skin correctly. What I did was cut half a dozen locating bars and tacked them onto the bootlid at set spacing, marked the swage section up at set intervals, and tacked the swage bit to the bars, so it was held at the right height. But then, the upper section of the swage bit pointed up at totally the wrong angle. This bit here. So I made this- Which is used to work the flange back down bit by bit til it’s at the right angle. Then I can fill the gap up to the rear window to tie it all together. I deliberately do it in two so I can mirror the two panels to make sure each side is the same. I use a length of steel strap to check the curve of the roof. Here you can see the flow of the roof is pretty good, and the line of the rear window follows everything well. You’ll also notice I’ve started on the sail panels each side of the rear window. I cut out everything that wasn’t the right shape (it will actually all have too much curve usually). The area where the sail panels flows into the roof above the rear window is the really critical area, which is why the hole is cut so far up. Then, I made a thin card template. It’s exact to the swage at the bottom, then plus about 1/4” everywhere else. Swapped to metal (don’t forget to do two at this stage!) Then you have to mark out the axis it needs to bend on. The panel is actually almost totally flat up and down, but then slightly conical the other way as the lines suggest. I then ran some gentle bends in it using the press brake. This gets its easily 90% there, only the top corner needs any compound curve. And that’s about as far as I’ve got with it. There’s a lot of ways to do the compound curve at the top, but I was waiting til I got my fantastical new machine, which is this- It’s a trumpf TAS500, which is kinda like a pullmax. I had to wait a while for it to turn up, the trade-off to getting it at a bargain price. My plan was to make some planishing dies for it, and still is, I’ve just not made em yet. But this roof is a perfect excuse so it’s on the job list so I can get this roof finished.
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urbanaw
Part of things
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Club RR Member Number: 17
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Feb 26, 2020 23:27:25 GMT
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Epic. The more details the better.
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