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Nov 20, 2020 10:02:38 GMT
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So the roofing. After many weeks of waiting, arrived, and then today the weather was challenging, but we just carried on. Mickey was around to help as soon as I let him know. So the first 5.5 meter sheet was a bit of fun, getting our rhythm Then it went a lot easier and faster. Unfortunately the self tapping screws (report on them in a bit) do not like to self tap through the 0.7mm sheet steel of the roofing sheets. But we carried on. With the wind, and the length of these sheets, getting them upright, and then onto the roof was to say the least, interesting. Progress Mickey, as he weighs as much as a packet of matches, was bouncing around on top. Last sheet I used was a 3.0 meter sheet in stead of the 2.7 meter ordered. As they sent two cover sheets to protect the actual order. But it needed cutting back a bit in order to avoid damaging the roofing felt on the woodwork shed. Grinder on. And then, suddenly the heavens opened, soaking us both to the skin up the ladders. You can see how it cut under the front of the roof, wind driving it in from the Essex side, not our usual wind nd rain direction. Once we stopped, and waited for the rain to finish, I took a look from Mickey side. And absolutely pleased with the outcome so far. Well deserved rest, with a mug of tea and a smoke. Called it a day for the top of the roof, more screwings and doings tomorrow when I have about 150 pilot holes to drill and screws to fit. So a quick post before I head out to Tool Station for supplies. The screws supplied with the order were these. Maybe my expectations were too high, maybe they are the wrong ones, just ask the minister of health to explain. Screws, seem to have a cutting groove. The seal on the washer really distorts well when it hits the sheeting, so using them in the valleys, along with a plastic sealing cap, should be a great system. Getting them in, that’s the challenge. Trying to drive then straight through the sheeting results in a blunting off, like they were made of putty, almost instantly. So maybe I got it wrong. Mate Andy, in Tulsa, Oklahoma uses these for his sheeting work on his pole barns steel structure. And also uses the same style screws that I have. So maybe the screws I have are for timber structures, which mine is, but they really need to be done with a pilot hole, unless someone has other advice. Off to work I go.
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Nov 20, 2020 10:12:25 GMT
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Last Edit: Nov 20, 2020 10:14:21 GMT by westbay
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Nov 20, 2020 10:34:29 GMT
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maf260
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Nov 20, 2020 10:43:15 GMT
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That looks great - testament to the planning and time taken to ensure the best outcome. Genuinely looks like a professional install. You're lucky to have a cast of helpers from lodgers to neighbours, but as you say it's help earned in kind.
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Nov 20, 2020 10:43:59 GMT
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And also uses the same style screws that I have. So maybe the screws I have are for timber structures, which mine is, but they really need to be done with a pilot hole, unless someone has other advice. Off to work I go. I never had a problem with the screws on the left, never tried the right hand type though. I didn't have to drill any pilot holes at all and that was on two separate roofs, one on my 17 foot garage extension, one at the stables and also cladding the outside of an old van body and that was screwing through the sheets into aluminium reinforcing bar. That's also using either a rechargeable drill with the socket fitted and or my 3/8 drive impact wrench although the latter was far better.
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Nov 20, 2020 10:44:48 GMT
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Fat fingers ... tut , reading forums when you should be working !
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Nov 20, 2020 11:42:19 GMT
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That looks great - testament to the planning and time taken to ensure the best outcome. Genuinely looks like a professional install. You're lucky to have a cast of helpers from lodgers to neighbours, but as you say it's help earned in kind. Thank you mate. I suspect it has come out better than many so called professionals would deliver, also a testament to the teamwork on here nd other forums I frequent. I found this thread really useful. Lighting optionsforum.retro-rides.org/thread/215999/best-garage-lighting-solutionMost of it points at various LED options.
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Nov 20, 2020 13:02:08 GMT
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Are you using an impact driver to drive them in?
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Nov 20, 2020 13:06:47 GMT
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Are you using an impact driver to drive them in? Yup. Pilot hole then: Makita cordless. Seems to work OK so far.
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jamesd1972
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Nov 20, 2020 13:19:14 GMT
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Are you using an impact driver to drive them in? Yup. Pilot hole then: Makita cordless. Seems to work OK so far. Yep - the sharp ones look like self drilling for wood the square tipped are what I would call tec screws generally for going through metal panels. The square ones I have used on a metal shed and will happily go through 1-2mm steel but a pilot hole with the other screw probably only takes moments longer and holds onto the wood better. Nice job. James
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Nov 20, 2020 13:28:51 GMT
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I've been using these for my partition wall.. www.screwfix.com/p/fischer-pz-double-countersunk-screws-5-x-80mm-100-pack/69507I can't see photos in your thread so might not be relevant to problems you have, they go great into the wood without any pilot holes but i wouldn't expect them to go through stainless steel sheets though so i'd expect to have to predrill a hole in the metal and then screw them in. Unless the screws you have are designed to cut through stainless steel and drive into wood. The only other potential problem but I'm sure I'm the only person to miss a trick here is how much of a difference using a PH head compared to a PZ head makes with a PZ screw. I'd picked the wrong bit up and was just getting dga-dga-dga-dga as it spun around knackering up my PH head, swapped it over and hey presto driving straight in. Probably just me that does things like that though.
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glenanderson
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Nov 20, 2020 13:42:44 GMT
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Yes, there’s subtle but significant differences between Phillips (Ph), Pozidriv (Pz) and Japanese Industry Standard (JIS), which makes them incompatible with each other, although a JIS bit works tolerably well in the other two.
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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thomfr
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Trying to assemble the Duett again..
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Nov 20, 2020 20:02:33 GMT
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Did you try to korn (do not know the right English word) with a hammer and a dorn so the screw does not wander away and you can put more force on it? Thom
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Nov 20, 2020 20:25:26 GMT
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Yup. Pilot hole then: Makita cordless. Seems to work OK so far. Yep - the sharp ones look like self drilling for wood the square tipped are what I would call tec screws generally for going through metal panels. The square ones I have used on a metal shed and will happily go through 1-2mm steel but a pilot hole with the other screw probably only takes moments longer and holds onto the wood better. Nice job. James I've been using these for my partition wall.. www.screwfix.com/p/fischer-pz-double-countersunk-screws-5-x-80mm-100-pack/69507I can't see photos in your thread so might not be relevant to problems you have, they go great into the wood without any pilot holes but i wouldn't expect them to go through stainless steel sheets though so i'd expect to have to predrill a hole in the metal and then screw them in. Unless the screws you have are designed to cut through stainless steel and drive into wood. The only other potential problem but I'm sure I'm the only person to miss a trick here is how much of a difference using a PH head compared to a PZ head makes with a PZ screw. I'd picked the wrong bit up and was just getting dga-dga-dga-dga as it spun around knackering up my PH head, swapped it over and hey presto driving straight in. Probably just me that does things like that though. Yes, there’s subtle but significant differences between Phillips (Ph), Pozidriv (Pz) and Japanese Industry Standard (JIS), which makes them incompatible with each other, although a JIS bit works tolerably well in the other two. Did you try to korn (do not know the right English word) with a hammer and a dorn so the screw does not wander away and you can put more force on it? Thom Job done today. All the screws in.
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Nov 20, 2020 21:35:15 GMT
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So with the roof on, despite not being securely screwed down, one of my other small needs was to address this hole. So I went to see Stuart, Mickeys neighbour whose I knew had a pile of conservatory roofing laying out behind his place for the last three years. Offered to buy, trade, swap him a sheet..... Nope he said, take one, I will probably never use them. So I dug one out of the overgrown pile. Carried it home, broom, hosepipe and 7 minutes later. Mickey to the rescue. Channel So it looks like the 2400mm by 780mm sized hole will get closed in too, keeping more weather out. This morning I saw the car frosted over completely It was chilly, later the day settled around 7’C which is mamangeable Usually Paul Y does not show up before it drops below 6’C After breakfast and a lazy start I ran down to Tool station and got two tubes of silcon based mastic for the wall seal. As well as a roll of self adhesive flashing. Back home by lunchtime to get back onto the roof.
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glenanderson
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Nov 20, 2020 23:24:54 GMT
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That flashing works even better if you use a primer under it.
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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Great couple of days work there Grizz! Its coming out bang on.
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That flashing works even better if you use a primer under it. I am now contemplating whether a trip to the industrial estate is worth doing. And I probably know the answer already.
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Great couple of days work there Grizz! Its coming out bang on. Absolutely agree. Really happy, it is better than expected.
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RIGHT.......... Searching Searching Searching.......
Looking to find out if anyone in Kent, or Medway area knows of any company that tears up or recycles 7.5 ton delivery trucks.
The ones with the white box on the rear.
Not fully insulated trucks....
But rather the ones that use a Gelcoat sandwiched ply type construction.
I am looking for a 4 meter or 16 foot by 2.4 meter or 8 foot section off one, either as one massive section or as two or three pieces, to use as a waterproof wall at the rear
Any advice or pointers appreciated.
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