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Nov 20, 2019 21:13:52 GMT
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I needed to get the ply floor panels cleaned up & the fittings removed so that they could be utilised has templates for new panels being cut Every vehicle manufacture has at least one stupid idea in each model - this was Jowett's mistake on the Javelin Install a material on top of the chassis rail to avoid any contact between the ply sheet and the chassis rails to aid noise insulation between the two - however the material used was water absorbent and on the underside of the car - cue rotting ply & rusty chassis rails - I suppose they were using what was available in the market at the time and rust prevention was way down the list of all vehicle producers in the 40's & 50's Boot floor is way beyond use has a pattern Fresh pattern made up from hardboard I will deliver these in the morning Meanwhile I made a start on flatting back the primer in the engine bay - but this requires finishing - I should hopefully get paint on it tomorrow
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Nov 20, 2019 21:50:51 GMT
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just mulling a thought chris.... would a modern composite material be a worthwhile upgrade for the ply floor pieces? i know a well treated marine grade plywood will last a very long time but with the right material they could literally be a fit and forget item?
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'80 s1 924 turbo..hibernating '80 golf gli cabriolet...doing impression of a skip '97 pug 106 commuter...continuing cheapness making me smile!
firm believer in the k.i.s.s and f.i.s.h principles.
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perhaps bonding rubberized material to the chassis rails then adding the plywood (marine would be my choice) could work and not offend?
JP
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I know its spelled Norman Luxury Yacht, but its pronounced Throat Wobbler Mangrove!
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Interesting flat square work light? Also, I'm glad to see your diet includes not just cereal, but Margherita (new recipe?? It should just be cheese and tomato sauce!) pizzas. *Edit for context
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Last Edit: Nov 21, 2019 6:27:58 GMT by varelse
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This has all the usual hallmarks of a Grumpynorthener resto.
And I continue to be amazed.
That list you started with.......?
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just mulling a thought chris.... would a modern composite material be a worthwhile upgrade for the ply floor pieces? i know a well treated marine grade plywood will last a very long time but with the right material they could literally be a fit and forget item? Pete - Exactly and a well known member of the forum has already offered to sort this - I'm off to see him this morning
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perhaps bonding rubberized material to the chassis rails then adding the plywood (marine would be my choice) could work and not offend? JP JP - That is what I intended and have a roll of rubber in stock for this very purpose - the chassis rails will be treated with Dinitrol underbody wax prior to being overcovered with the new floor which will be plywood composite
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Last Edit: Nov 21, 2019 7:59:37 GMT by Deleted
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Interesting flat square work light? Also, I'm glad to see your diet includes not just cereal, but Margherita (new recipe?? It should just be cheese and tomato sauce!) pizzas. *Edit for context The work light is actually a high intensity colour matching lamp for automotive refinishing but I use it occasionally for things - pizza box will be one of SWMBO's frozen stock - its the one brand that markets a gluten free pizza has she is celiac
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This has all the usual hallmarks of a Grumpynorthener resto. And I continue to be amazed. That list you started with.......? Hmmm - List was quite small initially - now turned into a rolling restoration and there are not too many areas of the car that I will not have touched once it's finished - still that's life in the fast lane of vehicle restoration
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Many thanks for providing such comprehensive details of your work - which is as impressive as ever!
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The issue of mounting wooden flooring directly onto a metal chassis, even today, has issues. As already identified the first is the retention of water between the metal and the wood and finding a suitable method of both protecting both surfaces and the ingress of any water. Having recently completely refurbished a trailer, I used a product sold under the trade name of DENSO tape. This product, for those who aren't familiar is effectively hessian tape, which is heavily impregated with a form of grease. I was introduced to this tape whilst building a bungalow and various farm buildings, and when water mains were being installed. It is often used to wrap pipe junctions, etc... and can be undone years after having been installed, as it doesn't actually solidify. I spoke to the manufactures re my trailer issues and was advised to lay about three layers deep, on top of the trailer chassis, effectively as a sandwich. The floor was then placed on top of the tape and bolted down. Where the tape was punctured to allow the bolts to go through, it was effectiverly self sealing and retained its integrity. I followed the example of Ifor Williams (trailer manufacturer's) and used a sheet of PHENOLIC PLY for the flooring. Again for those not familiar with this product it is sold in 10' X 5' sheets by specialists suppliers (Google Search advisable). This ply makes marine ply look like tissue paper and due to its construction is totally waterproof when manufactured. It can be cut with a saw, but the newly exposed raw edges have to be suitable treated to retain the waterproof properties. My comments are not for one moment meant to treach you to suck eggs, merely proffering another alternative, etc...
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Nov 21, 2019 10:27:29 GMT
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Phonelic ply is what they use for the floors of most Transit chassis cab floats, it's amazing stuff can take whatever the builders etc throw at it for years.
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Phil H
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1952 Jowett Javelin - 'DELIVERED'Phil H
@philhoward
Club Retro Rides Member 133
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Nov 21, 2019 12:38:32 GMT
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I’ve got “Buffalo board” floating around my head - I assume that’s a trade name of the same stuff?
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samta22
Club Retro Rides Member
Stuck in once more...
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Nov 21, 2019 13:37:22 GMT
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Yup same stuff or known as rhino board, been looking at using it for the car trailer so i can move the '7 about.
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Last Edit: Nov 21, 2019 13:39:28 GMT by samta22
'37 Austin 7 '56 Austin A35 '58 Austin A35 '65 Triumph Herald 12/50 '69 MGB GT '74 MGB GT V8'73 TA22 Toyota Celica restoration'95 Mercedes SL320 '04 MGTF 135 'Cool Blue' (Mrs' Baby) '05 Land Rover Discovery 3 V8 '67 Abarth 595 (Mrs' runabout) '18 Disco V
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Nov 21, 2019 16:01:14 GMT
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pizza box will be one of SWMBO's frozen stock - its the one brand that markets a gluten free pizza has she is celiac another one with a dust eater...bless 'em. mine makes her own bases , ingredients in general have come a long way in the last coupe of years , her gf chocolate brownie is as good as you will taste anywhere!
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'80 s1 924 turbo..hibernating '80 golf gli cabriolet...doing impression of a skip '97 pug 106 commuter...continuing cheapness making me smile!
firm believer in the k.i.s.s and f.i.s.h principles.
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Nov 21, 2019 19:17:57 GMT
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Lots of running about today so not too much done but the patterns were delivered for the floors to allow these to be copied & cut Engine bay is now flatted back & ready for paint first thing in the morning Sharon completed stitching the seams on the headlining and this is ready to go once I remove the old one & have fitted the wiring harness
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Nov 21, 2019 22:32:51 GMT
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another one with a dust eater...bless 'em. mine makes her own bases , ingredients in general have come a long way in the last coupe of years , her gf chocolate brownie is as good as you will taste anywhere! There’s a lot of it about! My eldest son and my daughter are both coeliac and the choice has improved massively in the last 5 years since they were diagnosed, but it can still be a bit hit and miss. Karl
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Nov 22, 2019 20:32:50 GMT
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So 3 coats of shiny black paint later That should do the job - some of the engine bay can go back together prior to the engine & box being refitted which I am utterly fed up of tripping over - Bill whom owns the car is ill so its probably down to me get the all of the car finished now - the original plan was for Bill to sort his own mechanical side of things on the car whilst I sorted the welding & body - but if he's unwell then there is nothing that I can do other than plod on & sort it Next was to remove the original headlining - it needs to come out in order to fit the new wiring harness which is routed along the offside roof rail The headlining is dead regardless Has is the rear parcel shelf & the upstand The headlining has to be done in conjunction with replacing the furflex door draught excluders which are also long past their sell by date Once the headlining has been released from the tacks & staples and the hoops unscrewed the headlining can be removed Then the parcel shelf can come out To reveal a load more rust created by the leaking back window The metalwork is sound but requires all the rust removing & treating Rear window needs to come out and a new rubber fitted The aperture will need remedial work to the paint but the aperture its self is sound The quarter glasses are also leaking Hence out they come Its a long time since I viewed a windscreen that was this badly bodged And it still leaked like a sieve Out that came too Again under the rust the aperture is sound But there is a bit of a serious rust delousing session required on the apertures - more tomorrow
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Last Edit: Nov 22, 2019 20:34:07 GMT by Deleted
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Nov 22, 2019 21:52:42 GMT
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Its a long time since I viewed a windscreen that was this badly bodged And it still leaked like a sieve i wont post a pic of my sunroof then! in my defense it was initially bowloxed up by the p.o...i just kept troweling the silicon on till it stopped raining indoors. looks like mission creep has turned into mission "mission moderate jog" chris! do you ever sink on your heels and go "oh fuuuuuuu..." when you find more and more grot? (i suspect not!)
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'80 s1 924 turbo..hibernating '80 golf gli cabriolet...doing impression of a skip '97 pug 106 commuter...continuing cheapness making me smile!
firm believer in the k.i.s.s and f.i.s.h principles.
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⬆️ I wondered that! Because when I saw all that rust around the parcel shelf I said out loud “Oh bloody hell....”
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