cjhillman
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Apr 26, 2019 16:57:18 GMT
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So today i made a start on the electrics and took the underside of the Dash apart. I did this as for peice of mind i really wanted to see what the Heater Blower Motor was like and need to get to the bottom of all this before i can carry on with the project. As it looks now...  A re cap on the electrical problem i had (for me and for you! ) . I was sitting in the car and tried a few things all at once. The Dash dimmer that doesnt have a knob up ( i turned it towards the drivers side). Then i tried the interior light as i didnt know if that was working (flicked the switch nothing happend) I think that was it WHEN! i had a smouldering smell coming from the dash!! As the radio wasnt secured i whipped that out and could SEE some smoke so ran around the front of the car and took off the positive terminal. Smoke stopped. After reading a little bit about this i stumbled across the heater blower motor being a problem and doing similar things. When i went back to the car i realised the switch was in the down position and guessed it was on at the time! i unplugged the switch, had a good look around for any frayed or shorted out wires and put the battery back on. No smoke! all was well. The other day when i took it for a spin to test my work on the brakes i had the bonnet up talking to the neighbour (about to take the positive terminal off as i don't trust it! ) and could smell a faint burning smell but, from only outside the car. Couldnt see anything and it was only faint. At this point i feel i need to get to the bottom of this or itll drive me insane and i'll just end up selling the car unfinished. Yesterday i made a list of the fuses and what is working/what isnt. What is represented by =  fuse 1 - Cig lighter (someone has chopped this out) , Clock , Interior light ( not working need to check for bulb) fuse 2 - number plate lights (have not tested / noticed ) , Instrument panel lights (not working i guess) fuse 3 - RH tail/side lights ( not working but brake light works ) fuse 4 - LH tail / Side light fuse 5 - Horn / Blower motor (neither work but maybe because i broke the circuit ) fuse 6 - Wiper / Reversing lights (wiper works havent tested reversing lights ) fuse 7 - Indicators Instrument cluster ( Temp , Oil (not attached to sender ) and Fuel don't work) less positives than i'd like. After getting the dash out the way and the blower the only thing i could see that was burnt was part of the loom going down to the clock area, although, i think it goes past the clock.  I'm also not sure what the dangling connector goes too as that was loose.  Blower motor its self seemed ok and didnt smell ( although I'm wondering if i should swap this out anyway.   I'm starting to wonder if its something to do with the switches on the Dash as maybe the rear heated window doesn't work or as the car doesnt have a rear wiper anymore something is going on there... i really just don't know. The positive so far is I'm getting to see under the carpet and the shell seems very solid. even the hole for the blower motor seems good  After looking around the Engine bay i noticed down by the Altanator that the wiring looks a little dodgy, i unwrapped it slight and noticed this... I'm wondering if it what i could smell the other day  My thoughts so far are... i'm going to have to strip the insulation to that central loom. I should also try and fit a Cig Lighter (or bulb) to that connection then i need to fit a bulb to the Glove Box as that was tapped up on one side with no bulb. I should also investigate the interior headlining bulb. My only problem here is it looks like someone has been messing before (halford blue connectors) and i'm wondering why the glovebox bulb was disconnected and the cig light is missing... will it go bang if i put all these back in?? I feel a bit better about this but also a little deflated as i don't know much about electronics and i want to get back on with the rest of the Car. I thought maybe if i get stuck the more i strip it back, the less it would cost for an auto electrician to look at it althought its the last thing i want to pay out for right now. |
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tazla
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Apr 26, 2019 19:26:34 GMT
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Hi The wire you have dangling connects to the heater blower.there should be a fitting on the blower box with three terminals on .it goes there.and the burning is your motors probably stuck.if you get a screwdriver try turning it to free it then try the blower switch and see if it works .cheers
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tazla
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Apr 26, 2019 20:00:07 GMT
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cjhillman
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Apr 26, 2019 22:31:26 GMT
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Hi The wire you have dangling connects to the heater blower.there should be a fitting on the blower box with three terminals on .it goes there.and the burning is your motors probably stuck.if you get a screwdriver try turning it to free it then try the blower switch and see if it works .cheers I thought I would be seized but i could spin it with my fingers before. Will investigate more and check the wiring diagram out tomorrow . |
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cjhillman
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I havent had chance to do much on the Capri and i'm off on a tour for most of May. I'm really considering getting a local garage to look at these problems as I'm really not having any fun with the car at all. The only thing is i don't want the bills to rack up if i can help it. Looking over the wiring more and finally getting the blower out i've noticed its missing the Resistor from the top! which i guess explains the dangling wire that i couldn't find a connection for and i'm wondering if this was part of my original problem.  Apart from it missing the Cig lighter, the glove box light seems to be taped up on the passenger side and missing the bulb (cant imagine why the bulb wasnt just replaced). Also i pulled the interior light out of the headlining and that looks blown and a little discoloured. I'm thinking is it worth me adding bulbs / cig lighter before putting the fuses back in and connecting it up or should i just leave it like this to the garage so they can see it as is? I'm also thinking will something melt down if i add all the original stuff back in... i cant imagine it would but something must have been going on.   This other part of the loom seems to have become a little hot too. and the terrible electrical tape someone put in for the speaker wires seems to have gone too.   Lastly, pulling the blower out means i had to pull the pipes off the heater matrix. Can i just conect these up to each other untill i know the blower motor is working right? i'm sure it wont make any difference but just checking as i cant drive it anywhere obviously at hthe moment. |
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Yes you can connect them together and still use it.
I would test the fan across a battery, they are notorious for the fan bearing getting noisy and/or seizing. if the bearings are tight the fan will draw more current than it should which could cause the burning smell.
A safe way to test things is to put a low amperage (10A) fuse between the battery and + wire, when testing.
It looks like you need to go trough every repair / modification in the loom and re-make them properly, I personally used solder and shrink wrapping, there are also some very good crimp connectors with built in shrink wrap available.
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jaws
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Take out the two screws that hold down the fusebox to the bulkhead and check the block connector underneath the fusebox. I have seen these melt if theres a bad connection.
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cjhillman
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May 26, 2019 17:18:37 GMT
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Yes you can connect them together and still use it. I would test the fan across a battery, they are notorious for the fan bearing getting noisy and/or seizing. if the bearings are tight the fan will draw more current than it should which could cause the burning smell. A safe way to test things is to put a low amperage (10A) fuse between the battery and + wire, when testing. It looks like you need to go trough every repair / modification in the loom and re-make them properly, I personally used solder and shrink wrapping, there are also some very good crimp connectors with built in shrink wrap available. Thanks for this i'm definitely planning on doing this. I havent had much chance with working away to do anything but as i'm back briefly i prised apart the blower box to look at the parts i'll need. I heard i could use a Bosh Motor No: 0130007027 which is £20 cheaper than the ones for a Capri, can anyone confirm this ? I will test the original one when I'm back too although it looks a bit rusty anyway so might not be worth it.   Weirdly looks like the heater resistor is missing and I'm guessing that its been by passed. The Haynes doesnt touch on the resistor and I'm wondering if anyone out there could tell me what order the wires would go in on the resistor?    Also the matrix looks a little ropy so i think i should probably replace this out rather than putting it back in.   |
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May 27, 2019 10:38:04 GMT
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I can't help with the electrical stuff but that heater matrix doesn't look too healthy. As you have it already apart you might as well replace it for peace of mind |
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May 27, 2019 13:37:55 GMT
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I've been in exactly the same scenario as you are in now with my Capri, but 3 years earlier! I ended up replacing most of the wiring and doing all the connections properly. The crimped connectors aren't great and the fact that they have tape round them too isn't a great sign. Solder and heat shrink is your friend, along with Tesa tape and corrugated tubing to neaten it up. Remember that anywhere there is a loose connector, bad connection, or only 1 of the 20 strands in a wire making the connection, you will get a higher resistance and it'll create heat. The dash lights also have a dimmer switch built into the circuit. Try bypassing this, when i bypassed mine i almost needed sunglasses  If the wiring to the back of the car is damaged (it runs along the inner sill next to the drivers seat) then i found the neatest and easiest route is to replace it with multi core trailer wire. Its the correct gauge and is also color coded which helps alot! A gas soldering iron will also help, saves the tangle under the dash when your cramming yourself in there and having to run an extension out the the car each time! |
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Too many projects, not enough time.
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May 27, 2019 13:41:45 GMT
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Also, The copper line coming off the rear axle brake flexi looks like its kinked over as bit. Might be worth changing when your back in the back brakes as it wont be helping the sticking  |
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Too many projects, not enough time.
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May 27, 2019 15:45:51 GMT
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If you have a local car parts shop (NOT Halfrauds) ask them if they can get QH parts.
Most of the pad/shoe/disc/drum/cylinders are still available new from Quinton Hazell.
Also ask them which daily company they use for parts, maybe CES, FPS, Motaquip or Marathon.
I own a motor factors but sadly I'm too far away to be much use other than as a part numbers guide.
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1988 DUTTON LEGERRA MK1 - SPARES DONOR
1989 DUTTON LEGERRA MK2 - CURRENT PROJECT
1990 DUTTON LEGERRA ZS MK2
1990 DUTTON LEGERRA ZS MK2
DUTTON PHAETON S2 - Resting
DUTTON PHAETON S4 - Resting
DUTTON PHAETON S4 - PROJECT X
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May 27, 2019 15:57:53 GMT
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Like the Capri..but that Escort is lovely. My first car was a Crystal green Mk3 L ..X reg if I remember correctly |
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cjhillman
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May 27, 2019 18:49:43 GMT
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If you have a local car parts shop (NOT Halfrauds) ask them if they can get QH parts. Most of the pad/shoe/disc/drum/cylinders are still available new from Quinton Hazell. Also ask them which daily company they use for parts, maybe CES, FPS, Motaquip or Marathon. I own a motor factors but sadly I'm too far away to be much use other than as a part numbers guide. That’s interesting! Don’t suppose you know if the motor can be found as a QH part? They seem to be selling for £70 in the Capri world . |
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cjhillman
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May 27, 2019 18:52:28 GMT
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Like the Capri..but that Escort is lovely. My first car was a Crystal green Mk3 L ..X reg if I remember correctly Thanks on the Escort! She’s my pride and joy and daily car. Trying to hang on to her as long as I can. I would have loved a suburst red L 1.3 but couldn’t find one at the time. The early ones have more interesting Interior I think. I bet crystal green looked good! |
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May 27, 2019 19:37:08 GMT
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If you have a local car parts shop (NOT Halfrauds) ask them if they can get QH parts. Most of the pad/shoe/disc/drum/cylinders are still available new from Quinton Hazell. Also ask them which daily company they use for parts, maybe CES, FPS, Motaquip or Marathon. I own a motor factors but sadly I'm too far away to be much use other than as a part numbers guide. That’s interesting! Don’t suppose you know if the motor can be found as a QH part? They seem to be selling for £70 in the Capri world . Not a QH part but I may be able to try a cross reference on the Bosch number you listed. I was quoted £67 to replace the one in my kit car (which has a Capri heater box) and that was 5 or 6 years ago. I'll try to have a look tomorrow at work. EDIT - I ran that number and found the part. They are available through a parts wholesaler called FPS or ferrari piston services and IF I was able to order one it would retail at £47.52 + post. Now it gets complex. I don't currently deal with that wholesaler but have a third party that does so I can ask him and see what he can do. PHEW... Also, If you decide to replace the TCA's (lower suspension arms) I keep those in stock. Standard rubber bushed QH parts. |
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Last Edit: May 27, 2019 19:58:39 GMT by Rebuilda
1988 DUTTON LEGERRA MK1 - SPARES DONOR
1989 DUTTON LEGERRA MK2 - CURRENT PROJECT
1990 DUTTON LEGERRA ZS MK2
1990 DUTTON LEGERRA ZS MK2
DUTTON PHAETON S2 - Resting
DUTTON PHAETON S4 - Resting
DUTTON PHAETON S4 - PROJECT X
DUTTON SIERRA S2 - Resting
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ZXRob
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Just spent yesterday evening and this morning having a read through this thread and have to say, keep it up man.
I saw the picture of it when you got it and thought it looked a bit tatty but now with the bits you have done it looks amazing.
I am a mechanic and currently work for Ford but sadly in Germany. Can check all original part numbers though if you want and any advice you need give me a shout.
Totally unrelated but (if you are the guy next to Billy Bragg in your photo) I saw you play in Cologne in 2017! Was an awesome show!
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May 28, 2019 12:38:09 GMT
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Further to my comment above. The heater blower motor is available at £44 + postage but would take a few days to obtain just purely due to logistics.
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1988 DUTTON LEGERRA MK1 - SPARES DONOR
1989 DUTTON LEGERRA MK2 - CURRENT PROJECT
1990 DUTTON LEGERRA ZS MK2
1990 DUTTON LEGERRA ZS MK2
DUTTON PHAETON S2 - Resting
DUTTON PHAETON S4 - Resting
DUTTON PHAETON S4 - PROJECT X
DUTTON SIERRA S2 - Resting
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cjhillman
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May 28, 2019 16:11:01 GMT
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Further to my comment above. The heater blower motor is available at £44 + postage but would take a few days to obtain just purely due to logistics. Cheers for this mate! I did some pricing up of the other bits and actually got a deal on a heater box referb kit. Also then it all comes together. Thanks for checking out the prices of it all . Will investigate the TCAs when I get it on the jack stands. Saw a great video of how to replace them online... looks a bit of a pain but might be worth it. |
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cjhillman
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May 28, 2019 16:53:51 GMT
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Just spent yesterday evening and this morning having a read through this thread and have to say, keep it up man. I saw the picture of it when you got it and thought it looked a bit tatty but now with the bits you have done it looks amazing. I am a mechanic and currently work for Ford but sadly in Germany. Can check all original part numbers though if you want and any advice you need give me a shout. Totally unrelated but (if you are the guy next to Billy Bragg in your photo) I saw you play in Cologne in 2017! Was an awesome show! It was definitely tatty when I got it. Excited to get more into the cosmetic part of this car . Really want to get a vinyl roof and debating putting the brown Ghia interior in there . Will give you a shout if I need part numbers for ford bits ! Yeah that was me with Billy ! I’ve played with him for around 6 years now. Not doing a lot this year but he always takes the mick out of me for having a 70s hair cut so I’m sure the Capri will come up in on stage banter . Come and say hi if you see me on a gig out there. |
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