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Apr 29, 2020 20:06:36 GMT
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I removed the sill - welded & dressed the tapered end - then refitted the sill panel back to the car  A post next - this is someone else's idea of a suitable A post base repair  Which is why I cut it off and placed it in the scrap bin  The lower A post section is a weak point on the Jupiter's and a repair panel is available via the clubs spares scheme  This however has to be trimmed in / reduced to suit in order to make it fit  Just lapped over part of the original A post and held temporally in place with self tapping screws  The cars owner had drilled & replaced the door hinge pins - these wear and you need to be able to hang the door without it sagging through hinge pin wear  This is the bottom hinge - reason for placing the A post repair in position is that the bottom door hinge fastens to the underside of it  But you first have to hang the door with the hinges and get the door to fit the aperture in order to position the lower hinge and drill the bolt holes through the base of the A post  The upper hinge just bolts to the A post  Lower hinge bolted to the base of the door  Beauty of the car being on the mid rise lift is that I can alter the height of the car to suit my fixed height door stand (aka milk crate) whilst I bolt the top hinge up  Gapping at the top of the door is very tight to the point that the door is touching the A post - and door will not close regardless  The bottom front corner of the door is contacting the sill  And that's because the bottom of the door has received a crude & uncalculated pervious repair  The return edge on the door rebate that accommodates the sill profile should be 25mm  Buts its just 10mm  Which is what is preventing the door from fitting the aperture  Major surgery to the inner door rebate in the morning then - these were scheduled to be replaced anyway More tomorrow |
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Last Edit: Apr 30, 2020 7:19:28 GMT by Deleted
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There is only one man who can show us how to make this work!
Jp
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I know its spelled Norman Luxury Yacht, but its pronounced Throat Wobbler Mangrove!
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That lower door hinge is a strange set up, why not mount it as per the upper? That lower just encourages dirt and eventually corrosion in that area (well, when these were new)
Will the door require trimming and proper rectification to fit?
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1980 Vauxhall Cavalier MK1
1970 Mobyleete 40T custom
1978 Mobylette 50V
1965 Moulton Standard
1979 Raleigh Grifter custom
1980 Raleigh Grifter
1982 Raleigh Grifter BMX custom
1982 Raleigh Bomber
1987 Strida
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That lower door hinge is a strange set up, why not mount it as per the upper? That lower just encourages dirt and eventually corrosion in that area (well, when these were new) Will the door require trimming and proper rectification to fit? This was advanced for the era - You need to take into consideration that car design was a million miles away from where it stands today and that by & large things like dirt & corrosion traps were not really a consideration for vehicle design in the 40's / 50's / 60's - if you want to add to the fact that all motor manufactures were still playing catch up in vehicle design & production after being a state of influx / non vehicle production throughout the war years of 1939 - 1945 when their production lines and factories were all turned over to the production of goods & armaments for the war effort The door shell will certainly require surgery before it can be made to fit - but this is merely unpicking previous poor repairs |
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Last Edit: Apr 30, 2020 8:35:19 GMT by Deleted
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Looking again at the first picture in this thread..... and knowing now what was beneath!! Great work GN
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samta22
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Looking again at the first picture in this thread..... and knowing now what was beneath!! Great work GN Just glanced back too - strange to think of Pete's car looking like it did too - transformation central. |
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'37 Austin 7 '56 Austin A35 '58 Austin A35 '65 Triumph Herald 12/50 '69 MGB GT '74 MGB GT V8'73 TA22 Toyota Celica restoration'95 Mercedes SL320 '04 MGTF 135 'Cool Blue' (Mrs' Baby) '05 Land Rover Discovery 3 V8 '67 Abarth 595 (Mrs' runabout) '18 Disco V |
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Apr 30, 2020 10:30:39 GMT
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I just did the same. Threads like this could put people off buying old cars. They can look fine and be horrendous! And look horrendous and be fine 😂
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Apr 30, 2020 10:47:42 GMT
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I think we must remember that....back in the 60's, 70's these were already old cars and not worth much money, spare panels were not available, MiG welders very rare and expensive. Pop rivets, fibreglass and gas welding kept these cars going....just about!
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Apr 30, 2020 10:48:59 GMT
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I just did the same. Threads like this could put people off buying old cars. They can look fine and be horrendous! And look horrendous and be fine 😂 That is true. When i bought my project Rover, it had MOT but was restored a long time ago and needed attention again. I dismantled and found out it had a serious accident with lead to a dent in the propshaft tunnel and he roof was replaced. Also found a lot of poor repairs. Also a lot of small bodges which would have lead to time consuming repair. One example was that all body trim had been fitted with too thick screws. The holes were oversized so should have welded and redrilled. Due to the accident damage, i scrapped the shell and started with my spares car. It was very rotten but the shell had been untouched which was a relief
Keep up the good work Chris! Always a pleasure to follow your threads and this is like the other again an interesting resto!
Peter
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Apr 30, 2020 13:46:39 GMT
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Threads like this could put people off buying old cars. They can look fine and be horrendous! And look horrendous and be fine 😂 Threads like this could also put people off using flat cap  while we sit in awe of the work and baulk at the previous owner bodgery....we do so because neither of those things involve us don't think i have enough nerve, nor chris enough Gin for any of my cars to pass social media scrutineering via flat cap industries |
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Apr 30, 2020 18:00:16 GMT
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Threads like this could put people off buying old cars. They can look fine and be horrendous! And look horrendous and be fine 😂 Threads like this could also put people off using flat cap while we sit in awe of the work and baulk at the previous owner bodgery....we do so because neither of those things involve us don't think i have enough nerve, nor chris enough Gin for any of my cars to pass social media scrutineering via flat cap industries I recognise that conundrum but have concluded the humiliation will be worth the end result. |
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Only had a few hours on the Jupiter yesterday  In which I found time to chop out the offending bodged section of the door that was fouling on the sill (and in turn unearthed a can of worms within the door shell)  And now I can get the door to close - but only just - the fulcrum / hinge centre on the top hinge is a million miles away from where it needs to be (well not a million miles out but far enough)  The door was removed & refitted several times - various temporary shims added to the hinge housing  Sort of fitting but not really  Sometimes rather than persevere / push your luck / break something / make yourself a whole heap of extra work - its better to walk away - have a good long think about it and return to it with a fresh outlook (and that's exactly what I did - only I've not physically got back to it yet) - On the other hand sometimes some jobs require the bit between the teeth & a skip full of determination to achieve a result - this job actually requires both of my previous statements - Determined progress made through a careful thought-out process - its just a door that needs to fit a hole - but it needs to fit / open / close & look correct - I wont be rushing |
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Last Edit: May 1, 2020 11:42:34 GMT by Deleted
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The killer will be paint, not fitting right at the very least (as well as looking naff) will see gaps 'decrease' with paint build up.
Opening the doors will bring on the chance to chip paint. I know it's an obvious statement but the restos i've seen where folks skimp on this kind of detail.
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Last Edit: May 1, 2020 18:12:25 GMT by cavboy80
1980 Vauxhall Cavalier MK1
1970 Mobyleete 40T custom
1978 Mobylette 50V
1965 Moulton Standard
1979 Raleigh Grifter custom
1980 Raleigh Grifter
1982 Raleigh Grifter BMX custom
1982 Raleigh Bomber
1987 Strida
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The killer will be paint, not fitting right at the very least (as well as looking naff) will see gaps 'decrease' with paint build up. Opening the doors will bring on the chance to chip paint. I know it's an obvious statement but the restos i've seen where folks skimp on this kind of detail. I'm not worried about our man with a flat 'at making that mistake. John |
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The killer will be paint, not fitting right at the very least (as well as looking naff) will see gaps 'decrease' with paint build up. Opening the doors will bring on the chance to chip paint. I know it's an obvious statement but the restos i've seen where folks skimp on this kind of detail. With all due respect not in my book it wont - have you ever seen what extent I go to before paint even goes near one of my restorations |
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Last Edit: May 1, 2020 18:40:33 GMT by Deleted
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So I had another look at the door fitting today in a fresh eyes mode  Removed the bottom and door hinge & the lower A post repair panel - then worked from there & made a few minor changes  Front aperture gapping is still over tight for my liking - but I have a plan  B post needs to come forward but that is just a matter of moving the rear superstructure forward on the chassis mounting points - Several areas are going to require adjustment to achieve the improvements required but has already stated I now have a plan / way forward |
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Last Edit: May 1, 2020 18:48:26 GMT by Deleted
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Is there not the possibility of getting Jowett panels made up in numbers so when you or other owners come to freshen up a Jowett you could use a fresh quality repo panel rather than having to work with bodges panels?
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Having the ability to move forward and backward (in time) is not something I thought we had evolved to....but I guess I was wrong. You have done it, Grumpy! Glad you saw a way out like this. Only stepping back and looking on it with fresh eyes did a solution appear. I guess when the teacher is ready, the student will appear!  JP |
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I know its spelled Norman Luxury Yacht, but its pronounced Throat Wobbler Mangrove!
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Great work as always, I’ve only just caught up on this so I’m a month late but I did have to zoom in to check this wasn’t some kind of bulkhead glory hole!  |
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