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Nov 23, 2017 12:47:11 GMT
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Wherever there is a street light there can be a charging point for a vehicle, utilising the network already in existence. Erm, not wishing to rain on anyone's parade, but this is not actually true in any sensible way. Even the most power-hungry street lights are only rated around 1,000W, so have cabling & infrastructure to support that. Most, and certainly all new street lights are more like 200W and have cabling to suit. So while you could turn off the lights and use all 200W to charge an EV, it would take a Tesla 100D around 833 hours to fully charge from such a source. Even with 1,000W available, you are still looking at around 167 hours for a full charge. Tesla chargers are rated at around 19,000W, SuperChargers are more like 120,000W. You can't push that kind of power up skinny little street light cables I'm afraid...unless you like fires..."ya cannae change the laws of physics" as a wise engineer once said!
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Rob M
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Nov 23, 2017 14:55:19 GMT
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............anyway. I was behind a Tesla yesterday and, yeah, I personally think they look the utter nads and I want one.
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Nov 23, 2017 14:58:55 GMT
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They are awesome to drive, just all power all the time. Auto-drive is spooky but works well. Build quality is still not quite up there and that, along with rear passenger space, would be issues for spending that sort of money.
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fad
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Nov 23, 2017 15:07:16 GMT
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............anyway. I was behind a Tesla yesterday and, yeah, I personally think they look the utter nads and I want one. I drive a remapped mk1 Octavia vrs as a daily. I drove a Nissan Leaf for the first time the other day, and, well... It impressed me. Even the 50 mile range of the one I was driving didn't bother me (figured I only ever have a quarter of a tank of fuel in so about the same with my driving lol). Honestly tried to hate it and I just couldn't. I got utterly utterly spanked by a Tesla a while back, and had to actually "wake up and try" to outpace a Renault Zoe a few months ago. As a through and through petrol head, its a hard hard thing to admit...
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Last Edit: Nov 23, 2017 15:08:01 GMT by fad
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vitessetony
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Nov 23, 2017 16:07:24 GMT
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Wherever there is a street light there can be a charging point for a vehicle, utilising the network already in existence. Erm, not wishing to rain on anyone's parade, but this is not actually true in any sensible way. Even the most power-hungry street lights are only rated around 1,000W, so have cabling & infrastructure to support that. Most, and certainly all new street lights are more like 200W and have cabling to suit. So while you could turn off the lights and use all 200W to charge an EV, it would take a Tesla 100D around 833 hours to fully charge from such a source. Even with 1,000W available, you are still looking at around 167 hours for a full charge. Tesla chargers are rated at around 19,000W, SuperChargers are more like 120,000W. You can't push that kind of power up skinny little street light cables I'm afraid...unless you like fires..."ya cannae change the laws of physics" as a wise engineer once said! I think I should clarify a few points. Yes with the existing technology we couldn't all plug into street lights. Obviously. The street lighting tech available now is adequate for the amount of cars wanting to utilise it. If more cars wanted to utilise it then we would see a change in how the power was delivered obviously. Of course this is just ONE of the ways cars could and are being charged. My point wasn't to labour street lighting as a silver bullet to cure everybody's charging needs, merely to point out people are creative when thinking about how to solve problems rather than moaning about we can't do this because of x,y,z. Maybe we can't but there are literally hundreds of things people have said, 'It can't be done' and guess what......
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Nov 23, 2017 16:27:53 GMT
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Inductive charging is what we really need. Sadly advances in tech aren't going to change the physical laws to which we are bound, but what we can do is start to change infrastructure and attitudes now. And that will be the biggest change. Not technology, but how society operates. What we accept as "normal". That will be what really solves the problems... Not fixing the broken unsustainable current situation, but stepping sideways to something new.
The next generation will see things very differently to us, just as we differ from the last. Our take on what is acceptable will be worlds apart from our successors. Societal norms will shift, and perhaps one day we will talk to our great grand kids about how we owned a car and they will ask "why?".
In the last 60 years there have been monumental changes that no one really remembers or appreciates. Imagine what changes are to come?
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Last Edit: Nov 23, 2017 16:33:30 GMT by fad
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Nov 23, 2017 16:38:30 GMT
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Anyhow....... as per title, where we headed with diesel !!!! Not electric
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Nov 23, 2017 16:46:15 GMT
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For what it’s worth I think the Tesla is a damned ugly looking piece of s@ T much like most new cars I won’t be buying an electric car unless I’m forced to Hopefully I’ll be six feet under by the time it happens in at least 30 years??
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Last Edit: Nov 23, 2017 16:46:39 GMT by Mercdan68
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Nov 23, 2017 16:51:42 GMT
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And one more thing How many times have we heard people living near electricity sub stations and living below power lines Have contracted cancer/leaukimia etc?? It’s all government bull@@it Of course it’s my own humble opinion of course
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Nov 23, 2017 16:59:34 GMT
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Whoops sorry for the rant there guys Please accept my penance
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Nov 23, 2017 18:27:07 GMT
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I think I should clarify a few points. Yes with the existing technology we couldn't all plug into street lights. Obviously. The street lighting tech available now is adequate for the amount of cars wanting to utilise it. Not wishing to be argumentative, but that is just not true. The existing street lighting system could not support charging EVs in any sensible way at all. Sorry, but that's a fact. My point wasn't to labour street lighting as a silver bullet to cure everybody's charging needs, merely to point out people are creative when thinking about how to solve problems rather than moaning about we can't do this because of x,y,z. Maybe we can't but there are literally hundreds of things people have said, 'It can't be done' and guess what...... I'm all for creativity, but changing the laws of physics goes a little beyond that I'd say. I wouldn't class acknowledging that fact as moaning, I just think you have to realise the scale of the challenge and be realistic about the chances of there being a "magic bullet" that will solve it easily and more importantly, cost-effectively. Sad to say but our world is run by bean-counters and if there's no profit in it, it probably won't happen.
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Nov 23, 2017 18:36:51 GMT
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Anyhow....... as per title, where we headed with diesel !!!! Not electric Sorry, you're right... I think that the transition from diesels to petrol/hybrids with wildly exaggerated emission and fuel economy claims will continue and consign private diesel ownership to history. It's the beginning of the end now, but it won't happen overnight. Give it another 10 years and I'd expect private diesel ownership to be in real decline. It'll be at least another decade after that before full-electric vehicles make much of an impact I'd imagine, if some other technology doesn't come along to revolutionise things; perhaps easy/cheap/safe electricity production...I can dream, can't I?
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Nov 23, 2017 19:14:48 GMT
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Things I care about in the General section: Cool retro cars Shows and Events Interesting retro related history Retro Racing Cars of any sort . . THE GAMUT OF RETRO 'STUFF' . . Modern retro concepts Electric retro cars . . JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE 'Retro' ON THE PLANET . . 'Interesting' modern cars General modern cars Self driving cars What the government is doing with modern diesel cars.
With that in mind I'm moving this to the Question Section and will find something more on topic for the general section, although I'm tempted to lock it and send everyone off to Pistonheads to talk about it.
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Nov 23, 2017 21:04:45 GMT
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@ fad Your post went over my head... Far too intellectual for me....but I 'liked' because I like the word letch👌
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Last Edit: Nov 23, 2017 22:56:17 GMT by Deleted: Lost ability to spell.
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Nov 23, 2017 21:42:51 GMT
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Last Edit: Nov 24, 2017 17:40:03 GMT by Darkspeed
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Nov 24, 2017 18:47:09 GMT
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get a bike yer pazy curse word! 3.5 miles is even walkable. I could get a bike, there's even a staff bathroom at school with a shower in it, but you're right, I'm a lazy ! And herein lies the problem. We're a society that wants the easy way out, and won't change until we're forced to or the existing way is replaced with something easier. If electric cars has really efficient solar chargers, and induction charging points in parking spaces, people would be happier to go for them. No need to physically plug them in but constantly having access to charging makes life much easier and convenience = sales!
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What has annoyed me for many years and seems as though it is never going to change, is the politics and views of those who like to think they are in charge regarding councils, highways agencies and those other curse word that work in westminster, it's all very well them saying things such as 'We need to keep the country moving, we need to keep the cities wheels turning' blah blah blah yet when you look at these 2 examples (without going into too much detail) we can see how we are constantly slowly wasting away as we hit out heads feet and hands against the brick wall! 1. Dear council, do you not think that by actually having bus stops that allow the bus/coach to pull OFF the road and not just a broken yellow line where the vehicle is still an obstruction to all other traffic passing in both directions? They replied first of all with, Thank you for the enquiry and we will get back to you within 200 days (joke) they later replied with... Thank you for contacting us, unfortunately we are not able to move the kerb stones further into the hedge line due to the land being private.......... I replied...and so who was the fool who actually decided to put this idea into place and the other fools who agreed it was a good idea? I heard nothing more..... Later whilst stuck on an A road, the traffic was a mess with everyone trying to get off at a junction, therefore stopping the flow, but on my right was a sign 'Queues likely' So i emailed the highways agency and said, 'it seems to me that this sign has been here for many years, why have you not done anything about it?why are queues likely and why are they still obviously LIKELY you build more and more, no more width added to the roads, no more stretching the slip roads but build build and build houses, the basic math just does not work? They replied 'we are constantly working to look at ways to help.......zzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzz i became bored soon after, SO! my point is.... if we are to try and get anywhere in protesting to the 'powers that be' or to have a rant on forums whilst no other curse word is prepared to take notice because they don't want to, what chance do any of us stand when it comes to a subject such as diesels choking the country? now i know there are many issues to be brought up but i think we all know we will lose out in the end....... anyway! I'm listening to Crimbo tunes, then going out in my diesel truck, and going to get the back end out as much as i can for the next 3 hours! (better not be any buses on the road!)
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The bus stop one really annoys me, most of the bus stops around me were pull in types. They then changed them all to be in line with the road or even further into the road making it near impossible to get around the stupid buses. The reason for this, the buses can't pull out easy enough and the road was too wide for pedestrians to cross at the point of the bus layby.
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Last Edit: Dec 4, 2017 7:01:43 GMT by miker33
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fad
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Those points can be summed up nicely:
You can't please everyone.
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