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Don’t worry everyone, The Rover is still here and still in action. The poor thing has been living under it car cover for the past month or so whilst I got other things out of the way, but finally this weekend I uncovered her and went for a hoon. It started up first try with minimal cranking, and settled into a lovely smooth idle. I forget how great this car drives. Lots of down low power. Cruising along, arm out the window, just enjoying the drive. It’s what its all about. Stopped off at the supermarket last night and whilst the wife was getting some noms, I finally got around to matching the headunit color to the primo 80s green dash lights. Much better than the standard blue and white. I quite like the JVC unit, gives me unlimited options for color using RGB. Today I did some work on the tune. I have most things in the tune pretty well nailed down, but I have this persistent issue with warm starts. It takes a lot of cranking to start the car when warm, and usually needs half to full throttle to get it. After lots of trial and error the best I have got is that it will start in about half as many turns (about 4-5 turns of the engine now) but needs a jab of about half throttle to kick to life. I think I’ll live with that for now, at least I wont kill the battery or starter now. The new water pump is doing its job, temps are stable and the heater is working. I removed the intake snorkel off the front of the air filter box again, as it made an ugly whistling under acceleration. Now I'm back to just a loud woosh. Pics for proof that it still gets out and about A very disjointed post, but a quick update. There is still work to be done on the Rover, I just need time and space to do it. The Zeal is taking up most of that at the moment.
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Last Edit: Mar 16, 2022 10:53:25 GMT by Kelvinator
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It’s been a bit of a rough weekend, so what better cure than to take the Rover out for a spin and an Italian Tune-up. The sun was out, so off came the car cover, and out came the Rover. I had been meaning to check out the new Kapiti Expressway that has just been built, but hadn’t had a chance to make it up that way, and every time I wanted to drive the Rover recently the weather has turned to mud, and what fun is it cruising in the pouring down rain? Not to mention not being able to button her back up again after the drive due to the car being wet, and then getting covered in pine needles. So yeah, this was an adventurous trip. In my whole time with the Rover, I have never driven it this far from home. The furthest is usually to either Upper Hutt or the CBD, roughly 20-30km away. The Rover has been running well recently, and after the water pump failure it’s been holding its fluids and been mechanically sound. A pleasure to drive. Firing the car up for the first time in a couple of weeks, it didn’t start quite as sweetly as usual, and was running a bit lumpy and spluttering when given gas. Obviously not happy with the tweaks I did last time (in an effort to make warm starting easier), so I tapped a few keys on the laptop and reverted back to a previous tune. Started and idled much better this time. The first test was the new Haywards Interchange, which is an utter clusterfark, no matter which way you try to go through there the road markings are a mess and everything is guided by some messy cones. It will be good once it’s done, but blegh. Once the temporary 50kph zone changes to 100kph though, it was time to unleash all 190hp, and the sound of my people. Pedal to the floor, trans kicks down and off we go in a roar of V8 anger. She may not be fast, but it hardly matters with a sound like that. It was a fairly slow drive around SH58 thanks to a typical Prius driver which couldn’t hold more speed than a 30 year old Rover through the corners. Oh well, more time to enjoy the cruise and the scenery. The rest of the drive was pretty uneventful, other than seeing a sweet steam train choo chooing its way to Pram. Lots of railfans hanging around taking photos of it. Probably got some with a Rover photobombing them, lol. The Kapiti Expressway is a new 18km long grade separated four lane expressway built to bypass a rubbish bit of roading that used to go through a couple of towns and slow everything down. This is only one section in a bigger project, which will include the Transmission Gully Expressway that will take traffic off the two lane coastal route between Porirua and Paraparaumu (Kapiti), but the Kapiti Expressway is the first section to be completed and drivable. Gives an idea of what the rest of the project will be like. Four lanes good. Heading to Paraparaumu for lunch, we took the exit that said “Paraparaumu”, as expected, and strangely got shunted straight off the new expressway and back onto the old State Highway. Not the glamorous expressway I expected! Stopped at BurgerFuel for lunch, snapped a sneaky bum shot After lunch we found a proper on ramp to the expressway and decided to head North. Not knowing how far the expressway went, we just cruised along until the new road ran out, and we were on the old one again. Turning around and heading South again allowed us to sample the whole 18km expressway. Impressions? Its nice. Very smooth, very flowing and very fast. That said there are already some surface repairs in places, and something about the road surface and my high-end SuperCat tires meant that I had an annoying rattle whilst driving on the new road. A strange resonance or something. I do hope to see the speed limit increased on the expressway at some point; its very easy to speed as its so open and wide, and its a prime candidate for a trial of 110kph. It’s nice to see the work they put into the area surrounding the expressway too. Lots of green; new plantings and what will eventually be mounds of grass and bush. You can catch glimpses of the wetlands they build in various spots as well; just little ponds of water here and there. Anyway, back to what is important here. The Rover ran faultlessly the whole time, and was great to drive. It’s equally at home puttering around town, as it is at passing cars up hills and cruising the motorways. We made a quick stop for a rest, and take a couple of photos. Shes filthy, but in a well-loved kind of way. Unfortunately though, it doesn’t run on hopes and dreams, so a stop at the local Dino station was on the cards. What a surprise that was though! Yup, a drop of 2.2l/100km down to 15.9l/100km. Not bad for an old beast tuned by me. I have clocked just under 1200km since getting her, most of those done with the Speeduino setup. It’s good to see the economy finally working out, and becoming somewhat reasonable. I love driving this car, so will be using it as much as possible, as long as the weather holds out. Oh what I would do to have a carport or garage, instead of a car cover. More to come. Might FINALLY get around to doing the front speakers at some point, and it’ll need another warrant next month, so there is that to look forward to. Yay.
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AAAAAND we are up to date. Finally.
So the Rover is now two days away from its warrant of fitness test (basically our 6 monthly MOT equivalent). Not much has changed (other than adding the Speeduino) since its last warrant, so hopefully it passes with a clean sheet again.
I have purchased the transmission fluid and have the gasket and filter ready to go. Once my motorbike is out of the garage (and preferably sold) ill roll the Rover in and change the trans oil.
I still need to do some more work on the tune. The warm start is a real sticking point for me, it just doesnt want to start quickly.
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Jul 20, 2017 13:26:44 GMT
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Enjoyed the read, was looking forward to page 3 but every time I click for page 3 it crashes the whole website on my phone and it reverts to my phones home page. Happening to anyone else?
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Jul 21, 2017 11:07:18 GMT
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It works fine on all my devices, but page 3 has a heck of a lot of photos. I certainly wouldnt be keen on loading it all on a phone, especially if its not on wifi! If you get stuck, page 3 on here starts from the bottom of this page and works up, www.tasteslikepetrol.net/category/rover/page/2/
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Jul 21, 2017 11:30:01 GMT
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I could see from the little scroll bar indicator that there were alot of photos, first time my phone has ever been defeated on loading anything! Thanks for the link, ill read it on there. Page 3 seemed like where all the action happened
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Jul 21, 2017 12:01:34 GMT
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This thread was a great read, hopefully it'll keep getting better as the tune is improved!
I was reading about your other cars on your blog and managed to get locked out? Is there any way to get back in again? (I may have tried to load 10 tabs at once)
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Jul 21, 2017 23:27:22 GMT
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Haha yes sorry there is a auto blocking for IP addresses that try to access to many pages in a short period of time. I think youre the first actual person it has blocked. The block lasts 48 hours, but i have manually unblocked you. I have bumped up the required pages before block so it wont happen again.
The Rover passed its Warrant of Fitness check today, only a couple of minor verbal notes to look into, but nothing major. Unfortunately when i got home the hand brake decided to celebrate the new warrant by snapping the rear cable. There is always something, thankfully its an easy fix.
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Cheers!
It happened again.. not sure why this time! I'll come back later
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Last Edit: Jul 22, 2017 0:17:29 GMT by timmy201
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Cheers! It happened again.. not sure why this time! I'll come back later Sorry, found the bug! Should be fixed now.
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Typical, its the small cable that runs from one rear wheel to the other that has broken, yet Rover didnt design that cable to be separate, so i need to replace the whole one piece hand brake cable from the handle back. Why couldnt they just use one cable to a splitter, and then one cable per wheel like everyone else? Oh well, at least its not too dear, and i know the cable wont break again. This is the setup the Rover uses (not my car obviously). The orange line is the cable.
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Another six months down, so last weekend it was time for another Warrant of Fitness on the Rover. No matter what car it is, but especially old cars, Warrant time is a bit of a pain. After doing lots of pre-emptive work for the last warrant, and having only covered about 1200km since, I was hoping for another easy pass. Here she is ready for the inspection After a thorough poking and prodding, she came away with another clean sheet. One of the rear seat belts had to be untwisted, and the front wheel bearings might need tightening or replacing before next WOF, but otherwise she is a solid old beast. So that’s another six months of motoring to do, and coming into summer, I’m intending to put far more than 1200km on it by the next WOF. In saying that though, the car was off the road for a couple of months recently due to various reasons (Speeduino install, waterpump failure, my wedding….). To celebrate its new warrant, the car decided to surprise me when I got home, buy snapping the hand brake cable as I parked up. *sigh* Off to Rimmers to buy a replacement. Thankfully the parking pawl on the trans works, so the car wont roll away. Since the Rover has been uncovered the past couple of days I finally took the chance to grab the camera and grab a quick video of the exhaust. It’s a good sound. I like it, but I do wish it was a smidgen louder, and more grumbly. At some point I’ll unbolt the rear section (which has a muffler in it) and see what it sounds like without it (so then it will only be a single muffler, and a resonator in the system). If I like it, I’ll get a pipe made up to replace the muffler. The next job is to change the auto trans oil and filter. It’s a messy job, and a pain to do, but it should be done.
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The Rover has been running pretty well recently, and I have been using it every opportunity. Its been great, but unfortunately the other day whilst under the bonnet I noticed something that really annoyed me. Back in December 2016 I spent considerable time and money replacing all the fuel hose in the engine bay due to perishing and cracks in the old hose. I used proper high quality EFI rated fuel hose from a hose supplier in the UK. Sadly 8 months down the line this is what greeted me Yup, cracks in my lovely new fuel hose. Thankfully no leaks, but you cannot be too careful when it’s pressurised fuel. The hose above is the feed line to the fuel filter, and it’s not only cracked in the above spot, it was also cracked in the large curve just before the filter. The outlet from the filter also had some cracks in it I don’t know why, it’s not like the hose is subjected to huge under bonnet temperatures or anything. The rest of the hose that I can see under the plenum and on the injectors all appears visually OK. I replaced the cracked hose with more of the same hose (because I had a meter or two spare), and I will keep a close eye on how it holds up. If it cracks again, then I don’t know, guess I’ll have to buy some different hose. Since I had the car in the garage, I also decided to fit this secondary earth strap I found in my spares the other day. The engine has one main strap from the alternator bracket to the inner guard near the battery, and that’s the only engine ground. I added this ground from the valve cover, to the inner guard on the other side of the car, so now there is a ground on each side of the engine. Cranking is now much faster, so obviously there was quite a bit of voltage drop going on. Hurrah! Speaking of cranking, a new feature was added to my Speeduino ECU today. Previously the cranking enrichment has been a single figure that covered all cranking, no matter the temperature. I have had huge issues with my starting since fitting Speeduino, where it just takes forever to start, with lots of cranking. The other day I did a lot of work on the cranking and starting and got the car to start quickly when cold by upping the enrichment from 20% to 70% (this % is on top of the base fuelling). Obviously when cold it was cranking lean. Unfortunately this had the knock on effect of also adding 70% on top when cranking warm. This resulted in long cranking times, pumping of the gas, and often a plume of black fuel smoke when it did start. Today, with the latest firmware update, that single cranking enrichment figure was changed to a coolant temperature dependant four point table. This allows me to have a different cranking enrichment figure warm or cold, and anywhere in between. This is my current cranking table So from that table, at -10c coolant temp there is an additional 100% fuel when cranking, to help with those super cold starts, and when the coolant is hot at 90c, it actually pulls 40% fuelling out. Normal coolant temp for me when warm is around 75-80c, so starting at those temps I’m pulling about 30% or so out. This has allowed the car to start cold quickly like before, but now also allows the car to start with about half as many turns of the engine, no throttle, and no plume of smoke when warm. I still have some tweaking to do when warm, but now I wont risk killing the battery when starting warm. Hopefully with winter slowly going away (although I swear it’s getting colder), I’ll be able to use the car more, and complete some of the work I want to do to it. A replacement rust free sunroof panel arrived the other day, so that will need some rust-proofing and then painting, so I can replace the crusty ugly old one on the car.
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Aug 19, 2017 11:24:09 GMT
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July B firmware for my ECU turned out to be a bag of man sausages, made the car run rough and idle like rubbish, yet when i revert back to June firmware with the same tune, it runs and idles mint. Guess ill live with the hard starting for now. I had some spare time this evening, so decided to finally unpack the replacement sunroof panel I purchased a couple of weeks ago. My old sunroof is stuffed, rust is bubbling through the top of it, where it has previously been touched up, and when the panel is opened you get covered in chunks of rust. Its pretty bad, thankfully its not leaking. Yet. It looked like this when I got the car, back in November And its got worse since. I put the call out a while back for a good rust free sunroof panel, and heard back from Gareth at SD1 Spares. He had sourced a decent one, and would I like it? Heck yes! It arrived a couple of weeks ago and I just haven’t had the time to do anything with it. Tonight I unwrapped it from its packaging and had a good look over it. Gareth had mentioned there were a couple of little crusty surface rust spots, and he had treated them, so it was no surprise when I spotted a couple of sections on the underside that were coated in rust converter. Nothing too serious, but left untreated it would have ended up the same as my old one. Good to catch and stop it now. I noted a couple of other small little spots of surface rust in various places, and wanted to make sure that rust converter got into all the little gaps and creases, so with wire brush and my can of CRC Rust Converter in hand, away I went. I wire brushed all the patches that I could see, including the areas that had already been treated, and then hosed on the converter. I made sure to rotate the panel, and spray into the holes in the rails to try to get the liquid into all the gaps. I’m not worried at all about the paint as its Oporto red, and the wrong color, so will need a paint anyway. This is a little spot at the back where you can see the rust converter changing some rust into a black coating And these two spots are the sections Gareth treated for me. I made sure to go over them again, and get into all the gaps nearby. The sunroof panel isn’t a great design, so many places for moisture to get into and get trapped, causing rust. There are some places you couldn’t get to without hacking the panel to bits. But its all I can get, so it will have to do. Looking at this panel also shows there was no way to save my old panel once the rust got that bad. The rust that is coming through is between the outer skin, and that rail on the RH side of the above photo. I’ll give the converter a couple of days to cure, and then I’ll hose all the gaps and seams with cavity wax. I don’t have the money to get it painted yet, and I still need to source a good condition front seal retainer, so I need to keep it in good shape in the mean time.
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Aug 19, 2017 21:23:33 GMT
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Love reading this thread.
Silly question, but would it be possible to fit a glass sunroof from another, later BL model. Or any other manufacturer come to that. I would imagine sunroofs don't alter that much in size??.
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You would need to replace the whole assembly on the roof in order to do a swap like that. The sunroof panel in the photo above is just the outer panel, which attaches to an inner panel, which has the runners, interior cloth etc on it. Probably easier to get a panel made up to replace the rust prone metal ones, made from fibreglass or carbon.
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Aug 20, 2017 20:32:27 GMT
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On your fuel hose, I've just had the same issue on what is allegedly SAE J30 R9 hose from AFS in Kent. It's been fitted exactly 2 years. No leaks or even fuelly smells but...... Fuel pump outlet under the car. It's dark and cool under here but the hose is just as badly affected as the sections under the bonnet This is what it looks like close up So I've replaced the lot..... .....with this. It is suspected that much of the "R9" hose sold over here is fake...... Hopefully the Cohline stuff will fare batter. Gates "Barricade" is also highly regarded. Best get some in as your recently replaced hose will also crack..... Nick
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1967 Triumph Vitesse convertible (old friend) 1996 Audi A6 2.5 TDI Avant (still durability testing) 1972 GT6 Mk3 (Restored after loong rest & getting the hang of being a car again)
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Aug 20, 2017 21:15:45 GMT
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I've been thinking of the Speeduino for my car, but see they only seem to have 4 injector and ignition chanels, my engine is 5 cylinder, how did you set yours up for 8 cylinders?
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Aug 20, 2017 21:16:56 GMT
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That sunroof panel is in real good shape compared to most available in the UK. I have one in about the same condition that I have waxed and sealed, stored in the attic to protect it ready for when mine needs changing. Rare as hens teeth.
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1984 Rover SD1 Vanden Plas 2600 Auto 1985 Rover SD1 2300s Auto 2005 MG ZT 1.8 Manual
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Aug 20, 2017 21:45:54 GMT
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I've been thinking of the Speeduino for my car, but see they only seem to have 4 injector and ignition chanels, my engine is 5 cylinder, how did you set yours up for 8 cylinders? Batch fire injectors and wasted spark I should think. Speeduino has 4 injector channels (each capable of driving two high impedance injectors) and 4 ignition channels. This means it can potentially do sequential injection on a 4 cyl (though I don't see anything that says it's sequential capable) and coil on plug or separate coil per plug on a 4 cylinder. For more than 4 cylinders you'll only be able to do batch-fire for the injectors and will need wasted spark or single coil with distributor to point the spark for the ignition. On a 5 pot (oddfire engine) you'd have to take the single coil and distributor route, which is tricky if your engine didn't have a distributor originally. Nick
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1967 Triumph Vitesse convertible (old friend) 1996 Audi A6 2.5 TDI Avant (still durability testing) 1972 GT6 Mk3 (Restored after loong rest & getting the hang of being a car again)
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